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Avoiding Win 11 and staying with 10

Dabop said:
Looks at the two CRT VGA screens I am still running in the shed- um

Looks at the several windows laptops and towers I am running- um without Windows...

I mostly run Ubuntu and have done for well over a decade- I got an XP machine- thats offline and used for kit that simply doesn't work on later windows versions, even in compatibility modes... and the CNC stuff is running on LinixCNC
But apart from that, I simply haven't run Windows since win7- and quite frankly, for the majority of the worlds users, they could walk away and most wouldn't even know...

(Indeed a friends elderly mother who was 'click happy' and regularly got malware infections is delighted since I 'fixed' her system at her sons request lol- its running Ubuntu- and she doesn't even know it- it even looks like it 'always did' but its locked down tighter than windows ever was lol- its got all her 'usual' programs she has always used...)
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Sure, if you're looking for a simple web surfing machine that you only need Google Chrome or Firefox or insert_browser_here then use any OS you want, but I will vehemently disagree with the statement that the majority of the worlds' users could walk away from Windows to Ubuntu and wouldn't even notice.

When I worked at Amazon we literally did just that. Amazon got sick of paying the licensing costs and switched every one at our location to Ubuntu. It. Was. ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. Miserable. Not only did half the people struggle to interact with the OS but integration with the domain and authentication services was enough to make me want to kill myself.

As I said, I'm not against Linux. I use it myself when I want a lightweight OS without a large footprint. There are situations that call for it, but there's a reason why the bulk of the world uses Apple and Windows over Linux. It's just not as user friendly, as theprestige has pointed out a few times.
 
I have opined before that I believe that there is a spectrum of tinkerability between the three major operating systems. On the one end you have Apple, which is designed for people who don't know how it works, don't care how it works, and are happy to just push the button and watch the blinkenlights. In the middle is Windows, where you can muck around with the settings and drivers and do some stuff with the registry, but in a limited way. At the other end is Linux, which is for people who really enjoy getting elbow-deep in its guts, recompiling kernels, writing their own code, and generally having full and detailed control over every aspect of how it works.

If you're at the Linux end of the spectrum, great, more power to you, but don't be dissing those at the Apple end for not wanting that.
 
arthwollipot said:
I have opined before that I believe that there is a spectrum of tinkerability between the three major operating systems. On the one end you have Apple, which is designed for people who don't know how it works, don't care how it works, and are happy to just push the button and watch the blinkenlights. In the middle is Windows, where you can muck around with the settings and drivers and do some stuff with the registry, but in a limited way. At the other end is Linux, which is for people who really enjoy getting elbow-deep in its guts, recompiling kernels, writing their own code, and generally having full and detailed control over every aspect of how it works.

If you're at the Linux end of the spectrum, great, more power to you, but don't be dissing those at the Apple end for not wanting that.
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Respectfully, you may be referring to the state of linux from the 1990s.

There's no need for compiling, writing code, or kernel hacking, in any of the modern distros.
 
novaphile said:
Respectfully, you may be referring to the state of linux from the 1990s.

There's no need for compiling, writing code, or kernel hacking, in any of the modern distros.
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And yet when you do something as simple as change out your graphics card, Linux (which I use on several machines) sends you off to an extensive Google search to find out how to make your system bootable again.
 
novaphile said:
Respectfully, you may be referring to the state of linux from the 1990s.

There's no need for compiling, writing code, or kernel hacking, in any of the modern distros.
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There's no need for it, but if you're the kind of person who actually enjoys that sort of thing, Linux is perfect for you.
 
arthwollipot said:
I have opined before that I believe that there is a spectrum of tinkerability between the three major operating systems
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It's something that finally clicked with me a few years ago from online observations, personal Linux users are for people who are interested in the operating system and many are happy to delete the whole thing and try a new distro on a regular.
Most people just want something that works as they want it to and doesn't get in the way, Windows & MacOS fill that need. If it goes wrong there's normally easy help online.

I think the closest Linux gets is SteamOS on the 'deck
 
Mongrel said:
It's something that finally clicked with me a few years ago from online observations, personal Linux users are for people who are interested in the operating system and many are happy to delete the whole thing and try a new distro on a regular.
Most people just want something that works as they want it to and doesn't get in the way, Windows & MacOS fill that need. If it goes wrong there's normally easy help online.

I think the closest Linux gets is SteamOS on the 'deck
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After years of supporting my mother on various PCs usually running a version of Windows (that I would have tried to simplify as much as possible) the best thing I ever did was give her an iPad. Still had a few issues over the years but nothing that I couldn't deal with remotely.
 
novaphile said:
Respectfully, you may be referring to the state of linux from the 1990s.

There's no need for compiling, writing code, or kernel hacking, in any of the modern distros.
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Mongrel said:
It's something that finally clicked with me a few years ago from online observations, personal Linux users are for people who are interested in the operating system and many are happy to delete the whole thing and try a new distro on a regular.
Most people just want something that works as they want it to and doesn't get in the way, Windows & MacOS fill that need. If it goes wrong there's normally easy help online.

I think the closest Linux gets is SteamOS on the 'deck
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Apple OSX
 
One thing that Linux does well is rescue. You can boot it up from a CD or a portable drive, and salvage data on a system that's totally clobbered, or just set up your computer to run on it if it has what you need.
 
bruto said:
One thing that Linux does well is rescue. You can boot it up from a CD or a portable drive, and salvage data on a system that's totally clobbered, or just set up your computer to run on it if it has what you need.
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As long as you haven't encrypted the storage.
 
Its obvious the ones who have either never tried a modern Ubuntu install at all, or haven't for a couple of decades- its actually 'plug and play' (far more so than windows in almost all cases) and you need not know any more about installing programs than going to the app store and downloading what you want- its literally something that any android or IPhone user will recognise immediately lol

Indeed I haven't fired up the terminal for probably at least 5-7 YEARS lol
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There it is down on the taskbar- Ubuntu Software...
Just select what you are looking for- games, communications, productivity tools, graphic and photography, whatever lol
click on the app you want- and it installs....
(ironically- I have had a LOT more trouble installing apps with an older (4 year old) IPad than I have ever had with this laptop....)
 
arthwollipot said:
Did you think I was saying that you have to be a tinkerer in order to use Linux? I wasn't. I was saying that if you are a tinkerer, you will want to use Linux.
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True, although between a large collection of command line tools and PowerShell there is a lot of room for tinkering in Windows as well. Modern Windows started with NT 32 years ago, and a rich ecosystem has grown up within it.

BUT ... Windows has a nasty tendency to overhaul its user interface every decade or so. I find the continuing march to replacing Control Panel tools with dumbed-down Settings applets annoying. Also Microsoft's low key but almost constant push for users to use OneDrive and Office 365. I simply do not trust Microsoft with my documents. They're mine, and I have no idea what liberties Microsoft gives itself when it comes to reading them.

Also, I really dislike the fact Microsoft decided it could use the operating system to collect information about people and use that to deliver third-party advertising. An operating system is supposed to assist the user work with the computer, not deliver telemetry to the OS provider so it can advertise to you!

I hate the fact that with every new install I have to remove a lot of corporate-sponsored junk from the Start Menu. And that Microsoft abuses the Windows Update process to install crap I have no use for (Candy Crush Saga being a prime example. If I wanted the game installed in my system, I'd ask for it.) Oh, and there was also the time when Microsoft presented a dialogue box asking if you wanted to upgrade to Windows 10. Dismissing the dialogue box using the X close button was interpreted as approval!

This whole thread is about a corporate overlord that has its own interests in mind and not its users' simply declaring an entire generation of older computing devices unworthy of accepting the latest iteration of its operating system. Their message is, "just turn your perfectly working hardware into e-waste and buy a new computer."

It's these sort of corporate hi-jinks that made me lose all trust in Microsoft ages ago and move to Linux.
 
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I agree that Microsoft is evil, even though I still use Windows for reasons of familiar software, and because I'm used to it. I miss the old days of dos and Win 3. Though I am far from a savvy hacker these were easy to tweak and easy to fix.

These days a lot is "free" if you provide a bunch of information they can sell. Somehow the idea that one's identity is a commodity has very little appeal, but it's almost impossible to avoid. So here I am on bleeping Android with Google probably knowing what I ate last night and where I itch, but I'd miss my next doctors appointment because the land line won't take messages and I must confess that it's kind of nice to be able to telephone people from anywhere. But....

[old curmudgeon] bleep this bleepin bleep! [/old curmudgeon]
 
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