Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Cosmic Yak said:
Please link to the post in which you condemned the homosexuals being put into camps by the Muslim government of Chechnya.
Might avert the accusation of gross hypocrisy currently hanging over you.
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Tony99 said:
Indeed. Poor, working class Catholic families being torn apart and warehoused in concentration camps. I'm appalled at the human rights violations going on.
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Tu quoque

Not simply fallacious but an actual attempt to divert attention from the actual human rights violations in China.
 
The Big Dog said:
Uighurs are Muslims. here is a discussion of that part of the human rights abuse from the Muslim perspective.

China holds one million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps

The world's next major human disaster is in the making in China. This time, we should act before it's too late.

By the way, the claim that "in a region where this religion is categorically associated with subversion, separatism and terrorism" is the position of the Chinese in order to falsely justify human rights abuses and ethnic cleansing.

And people wonder why I use the phrase human rights abuse apologists...
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Reposting the same unrelated links that actually speak counter to your claim is ...well, madness, is it not? Repeating an action expecting a different result? Certainly it doesn't support your OP and never did.

I'm now certain you know this but are either too prideful or too ornery to admit it. You persistently insisting a mouse is a moose doesn't make us the silly people when we point out the obvious discrepancies.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Reposting the same unrelated links that actually speak counter to your claim is ...well, madness, is it not? Repeating an action expecting a different result? Certainly it doesn't support your OP and never did.

I'm now certain you know this but are either too prideful or too ornery to admit it. You persistently insisting a mouse is a moose doesn't make us the silly people when we point out the obvious discrepancies.
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"reposting" "same"?

Folks, that article was from Al Jazeera and was the first time I, or anyone else to my knowledge, posted it in this thread. Take from that what you will. In addition, the lack of a denial that the clause relied on to justify the atrocities was propaganda from the CCP..

Lets take a moment to take a deeper look:

Old habits die hard, and the people targeted by state-led ethnic cleansing programs even harder. But the reports of mass concentration camps and the criminalisation of Islam inflicted upon China's Uighur Muslims should alarm anyone and everyone. Right now.
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et, understanding the broad scale and depth of China's persecution of Uighur Muslims is fully revealed by its genuine objective: which is transformation and annihilation, not ferreting out terrorists. Criminalising and closely policing Islam, the most conspicuous and sacred identifier of Uighur identity, is how Beijing seeks to bring about that goal. In 2015, China restricted Uighur Muslim students, teachers and other civil servants in Xinjiang from observing the fast during the month of Ramadan, which extended beyond the public sphere by way of police intimidation and surveillance within households during the holy month.
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Thor 2 said:
Dann no doubt will dismiss this however.:boxedin:
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And why would I dismiss it?! Because you pretend that it supports your idea that all Muslims are wanna-be hijackers and that this is what the Quran tells them to do?
It doesn't. But I guess you can't see that from the box you're hiding in.
 
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dann said:
And why would I dismiss it?! Because you pretend that it supports your idea that all Muslims are wanna-be hijackers and that this is what the Quran tells them to do?
It doesn't. But I guess you can't see that from the box you're hiding in.
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Because you've got form. You have continued to claim that followers of Islam are not motivated by their religion because - "Look at all these other Muslims who aren't flying planes into buildings". Yes, a real convincing argument.:rolleyes:

Now Aridas is good enough to show us some charts illustrating a very high percentage of every day Muslims condoning violence as OK. Have you now tipped your hat to Aridas as having made a a legitimate point?
 
The Big Dog said:
"reposting" "same"?

Folks, that article was from Al Jazeera and was the first time I, or anyone else to my knowledge, posted it in this thread. Take from that what you will. In addition, the lack of a denial that the clause relied on to justify the atrocities was propaganda from the CCP..

Lets take a moment to take a deeper look:
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Al Jazeera. I'm guessing they don't have any skin in the game, huh? ;)

Like I said, repeating propaganda, i,e, lies, no matter how convenient it is for your own biases, doesn't make it fact.
 
Dancing David said:
The repression of the Uighurs is not really up for debate is it?
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It is not. It's happening, it's appalling, but it is not limited to religious believers. The targets are those whom the Chinese Communists think threaten their authority. So justification comes after accusation.

The issue of this thread is based on the non-sequitur logical fallacy.

1. The Chinese authorities belong to a group with a policy of atheism.
2. Most Uighurs are Muslim religion.
3. Some Uighurs are rebelling against Chinese authority.
4. The Chinese authorities are cracking down on rebels against their authority.
5. Therefore atheists are targeting the religious - "destroying churches", etc.

Replace "Uighurs" and "Muslim" with "Christians" and "Christianity" respectively to get another variant of the same erroneous argument.

It is the motive of the Chinese government, some belief teh Chinese just stomp on any possible opposition.
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Agreed.
 
We have reached the point where people are credulously posting actual CCP propaganda while accusing al jazeera of being propaganda
 
Thor 2 said:
Now Aridas is good enough to show us some charts illustrating a very high percentage of every day Muslims condoning violence as OK.
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It's likely worth qualifying that a bit more. Just about everyone other than some hardcore pacifists condones violence as OK under some circumstances, after all. What makes the numbers I linked to of some relevance is that it was specifically about killing oneself to harm civilian targets, explicitly because of religion. Each of those things tends to be problematic on their own, and all three combined is more problematic.

A bit separately, I would also hesitate to call the numbers in question "very high" without some qualification. Gaza's numbers are indeed somewhat incredibly high, while I wouldn't call Tunisia and Pakistan to be very high at all, relatively speaking. Even they are a bit problematic, of course, but I suspect (without being aware of any available verification) that most countries have at least that percentage of potentially problematic people when it comes to those quite willing to condone attacking civilians for other questionable reasons.
 
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The Big Dog said:
"reposting" "same"?

Folks, that article was from Al Jazeera and was the first time I, or anyone else to my knowledge, posted it in this thread. Take from that what you will. In addition, the lack of a denial that the clause relied on to justify the atrocities was propaganda from the CCP..

Lets take a moment to take a deeper look:
et, understanding the broad scale and depth of China's persecution of Uighur Muslims is fully revealed by its genuine objective: which is transformation and annihilation, not ferreting out terrorists. Criminalising and closely policing Islam, the most conspicuous and sacred identifier of Uighur identity, is how Beijing seeks to bring about that goal. In 2015, China restricted Uighur Muslim students, teachers and other civil servants in Xinjiang from observing the fast during the month of Ramadan, which extended beyond the public sphere by way of police intimidation and surveillance within households during the holy month.
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Goodness me. You were told about this by three other members, including myself, some time ago. Now you have finally caught up, perhaps you could explain how the Hui, who are also Muslim but not Uighur, are not facing the same oppression?
 
The Big Dog said:
Internet post much more appalling than actual human rights atrocities.

Check!
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Cosmic Yak said:
Please link to the post in which you condemned the homosexuals being put into camps by the Muslim government of Chechnya.
Might avert the accusation of gross hypocrisy currently hanging over you.
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The Big Dog said:
Tu quoque

Not simply fallacious but an actual attempt to divert attention from the actual human rights violations in China.
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Not at all. I have repeatedly condemned the human rights abuses in China.

You, however, have not condemned the very similar abuses happening right now in Chechnya. Are human right abuses in China the only ones that are important, or is it possible to condemn all human rights abuses, wherever they are found and whoever is committing them?
(Again, that's rhetorical: of course it's possible).
Now, given your refusal to condemn the concentration camps in Chechnya, it seems reasonable to look at the difference between the two.
One is being done by atheists (though you still have yet to explain what part of atheism prompts such action).
The other is being done by religious believers, who are following clear instructions from their god: it is thus easy to establish cause and effect here.

Your silence on this matter indicates that you are far more concerned with trying to attack atheism than with ending human rights abuses.
WWJD, TBD?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Not at all. I have repeatedly condemned the human rights abuses in China.

You, however, have not condemned the very similar abuses happening right now in Chechnya. Are human right abuses in China the only ones that are important, or is it possible to condemn all human rights abuses, wherever they are found and whoever is committing them?
(Again, that's rhetorical: of course it's possible).
Now, given your refusal to condemn the concentration camps in Chechnya, it seems reasonable to look at the difference between the two.
One is being done by atheists (though you still have yet to explain what part of atheism prompts such action).
The other is being done by religious believers, who are following clear instructions from their god: it is thus easy to establish cause and effect here.

Your silence on this matter indicates that you are far more concerned with trying to attack atheism than with ending human rights abuses.
WWJD, TBD?
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The Great Dog asks us to demonstrate against the violation of human rights in China. We have all done it, but he pretends not to have heard and continues with his psalmody. On the other hand, when we ask him for his opinion on this he pretends that he has not heard and goes back to his psalmody.

One sees that for him there are monsters that are not monsters depending on whether they make the sign of Cross or not.
 
Aridas said:
A bit separately, I would also hesitate to call the numbers in question "very high" without some qualification. Gaza's numbers are indeed somewhat incredibly high, while I wouldn't call Tunisia and Pakistan to be very high at all, relatively speaking. Even they are a bit problematic, of course, but I suspect (without being aware of any available verification) that most countries have at least that percentage of potentially problematic people when it comes to those quite willing to condone attacking civilians for other questionable reasons.
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That is so unfair, Aridas! T2 just thought he had an argument, and then you ruin it for him! :)
 
Norman Alexander said:
I'm now certain you know this but are either too prideful or too ornery to admit it. You persistently insisting a mouse is a moose doesn't make us the silly people when we point out the obvious discrepancies.
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The Big Dog said:
We have reached the point where people are credulously posting actual CCP propaganda...
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Yes, indeed you are being remarkably credulous.

...while accusing al jazeera of being propaganda
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Just as much as any religious news source you trot out. You do know that Al Jazeera is backed by the ultra-religious Qatari government, no?

Al Jazeera (Arabic: الجزيرة‎, translit. al-jazīrah, IPA: [æl (d)ʒæˈziːrɑ], literally "The Island", though referring to the Arabian Peninsula in context[1]), also known as JSC (Jazeera Satellite Channel), is a state-funded broadcaster in Doha, Qatar, owned by the Al Jazeera Media Network.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

Of course, if you want to see non-religious propaganda in action, you can always get your news from Russia Today, or Wikileaks, or Sarah Huckerby-Sanders.
 
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