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Drunken Shikigami
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Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.And? I'm not SwingDangler. And you obviously didn't understand the article.
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.And? I'm not SwingDangler. And you obviously didn't understand the article.
The article i've promoted (i didn't promote the site it's on, which is an archive of articles related to conspiracy, as it's URL says), deals with the relationship of the Bavarian Illuminati and the Jesuits. As you may know, or not, a recent more or less prominent CT deals with the idea that the Jesuits ie the roman catholic church are behind every evil in the world.
Now, while most people here including me write this off as BS, the article presents some facts about Weishaupts Gang that aren't usually mentioned. The Bavarian Illuminati were an Educational Foundation in the spirit of Enlightenment, just like the JREF, but they used the instruments of other secret societies of that time - like the JREF might be forced to use after Palin gets President (). They copied the organisational structure of the jesuits to achieve completely oppposite goals, like education of the masses, rational thought over superstition and so on. Nothing to do with "the occult" yadda yadda. Got it?
So it wasn't about Sarah Palin? Or some kind of threat to constitutional freedoms of expression, speech, and religion, in the USA? I could have sworn that's how you explained it.I have no time for your games, stilicho. Why don't you just say "i now understood that you have nothing in common with people who promote Nesta Webster as the real thing and while i'm not sure what you're talking about, i'll look into it, or not. Sorry for treading you like a wacko." and move along?
Why has it always to be winning or losing on this board? Why is nobody interested in the truth™?
Why is nobody interested in the truth™?
So it wasn't about Sarah Palin? Or some kind of threat to constitutional freedoms of expression, speech, and religion, in the USA? I could have sworn that's how you explained it.
OK: What DID you mean?
@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?
I understand that but when I ask you to explain yourself you start mentioning Sarah Palin. Emoticon or not, I don't get the connection.Did you notice the emoticon, genius? It was about the Bavarian Illuminati. You are off-topic and acting extremely silly, pal.
@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?
@Pardalis: How dense are you? NO I DONT BELIEVE THAT "THE ILLUMINATI" EXIST TODAY AND RULE THE WORLD!!! How can you read my posts on this thread and communicate with me and still insinuate that this is my believe? You are an airhead, comrade.
@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?
I understand that but when I ask you to explain yourself you start mentioning Sarah Palin. Emoticon or not, I don't get the connection.
As for your assertions about the "Illuminati" being responsible for concepts such as the education of the masses, you couldn't be more mistaken. None of Locke, Bayle, Rousseau, Spinoza or Fichte were members of the "Illuminati" and it was they who helped produce the concept of general education. Add to that the revolutionary "Sunday schools" introduced in Britain by the Methodists--of all people.
Whoever Adam Weishaupt was, or whatever he and his pals envisioned, it was not even close to being influential on any level whatsoever. Your clue ought to be the fact that the only time the "Illuminati" is even mentioned on the internet or in books is in conspiracy literature. I have yet to see Fichte mentioned in any regard on a conspiracy site but you, as a German, ought to acknowledge properly that he had a greater influence on public education in your own country than any "secret society" ever did.
Why should historians give a damn? Why are the Illuminati that important to you, if they're only a short lived historical curiosity?
To me they are fascinating for several reasons and in spirit of the topic of this thread, it is very easy to debunk the claims made about them by CTs.
They were busted after a few years, remember? They had members like Knigge and Goethe and they were very influential because many of them were authors, journalists, poets, philosophers. You are making my point by the way. The JREF should or could be concerned about the slander of these people. They were neither crypto-(jews, jesuits, what the CT says) nor pagans, occultists, but radical rationalists fighting against an overwhelming zeitgeist of woo.
Why did you say "as fast and deep as possible"? You've established that you don't believe in the Illuminati woo, that's cool btw, but why the urgency then?
Why the urgency? Because the illuminati are at the center of nearly every unified conspiracy theory promoted today and that cornerstone can be easily kicked. Isn't that what the whole debunking business is about? I'm very interested in seperating the wheat from the chaff, because, as you know, i believe in one or another conspiracy that i think should be dealt with, and for that we need people unafflicted by idiotic reactionary stuff that muddies the water.
So what you are saying is that "they" (possibly Sarah Palin) might equate JREF with the "Illuminati" and convince law enforcement people in the USA that American JREF-ers should be eliminated.
If that's what you're suggesting, it is all the things I said (draconian, unconstitutional, impossible), and wouldn't seriously impact the influence of "scepticism". It would probably reinforce "scepticism". Not to mention the Supreme Court would overrule "President Palin" immediately.
I know it's anecdotal, but I have personally never experienced any hostility at all (excepting from skeptigirl on this forum) for expressing my agnosticism. Is this about to change? If so, how?