Atheists Assemble! The Illuminati Are Under Assault!

[defaultdotxbe]

And? I'm not SwingDangler. And you obviously didn't understand the article.

Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Soll das witzig sein? Ich verstehe kein Wort.

Translation: Don't spam.

 

[stilicho]

The article i've promoted (i didn't promote the site it's on, which is an archive of articles related to conspiracy, as it's URL says), deals with the relationship of the Bavarian Illuminati and the Jesuits. As you may know, or not, a recent more or less prominent CT deals with the idea that the Jesuits ie the roman catholic church are behind every evil in the world.

Now, while most people here including me write this off as BS, the article presents some facts about Weishaupts Gang that aren't usually mentioned. The Bavarian Illuminati were an Educational Foundation in the spirit of Enlightenment, just like the JREF, but they used the instruments of other secret societies of that time - like the JREF might be forced to use after Palin gets President (). They copied the organisational structure of the jesuits to achieve completely oppposite goals, like education of the masses, rational thought over superstition and so on. Nothing to do with "the occult" yadda yadda. Got it?

OK, gotcha.

You think that Sarah Palin might introduce draconian, unconstitutional, and anti-JREF legislation if she became POTUS. Now, excuse me, but even if that happened, how would that affect JREF? I am not American and you aren't either. Neither is gumboot. Are you suggesting they might be after RandFan and WildCat?

Maybe we could invite them to move to Canada. There's not much chance that the evil schemes of President Palin would reach this far.

I could also offer that Sarah Palin isn't even Catholic. She's a Protestant although I am not sure of which denomination. Of course you could cite Pope Benedict XVI as here: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=d8t86d280&show_article=1. Mind you, the current Pope is critical of an awful lot of things and still his authority is very limited.

I hope this clears up your fears, CE.

 

[stilicho]

My German is limited to the following:

1] Ich spreche nicht Franzosiche.
2] Ihre Kopf ist in flammen.
3] Diese weg sur Gaskammer.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I have no time for your games, stilicho. Why don't you just say "i now understood that you have nothing in common with people who promote Nesta Webster as the real thing and while i'm not sure what you're talking about, i'll look into it, or not. Sorry for treading you like a wacko." and move along?

Why has it always to be winning or losing on this board? Why is nobody interested in the truth™?

 

[stilicho]

I have no time for your games, stilicho. Why don't you just say "i now understood that you have nothing in common with people who promote Nesta Webster as the real thing and while i'm not sure what you're talking about, i'll look into it, or not. Sorry for treading you like a wacko." and move along?

Why has it always to be winning or losing on this board? Why is nobody interested in the truth™?

So it wasn't about Sarah Palin? Or some kind of threat to constitutional freedoms of expression, speech, and religion, in the USA? I could have sworn that's how you explained it.

OK: What DID you mean?

 

[Pardalis]

Why is nobody interested in the truth™?

The Illuminati is a dead end, do you at least agree with that?

 

[Childlike Empress]

So it wasn't about Sarah Palin? Or some kind of threat to constitutional freedoms of expression, speech, and religion, in the USA? I could have sworn that's how you explained it.

OK: What DID you mean?

Did you notice the emoticon, genius? It was about the Bavarian Illuminati. You are off-topic and acting extremely silly, pal.

@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?

 

[Pardalis]

@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?

Do you seriously believe this small group of people survived for hundreds of years, kept their ideology and goals intact through generations, kept unnoticed and yet remained extremely influential?

How can an organization be that secretive and powerful at the same time?

 

[stilicho]

Did you notice the emoticon, genius? It was about the Bavarian Illuminati. You are off-topic and acting extremely silly, pal.

@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?

I understand that but when I ask you to explain yourself you start mentioning Sarah Palin. Emoticon or not, I don't get the connection.

As for your assertions about the "Illuminati" being responsible for concepts such as the education of the masses, you couldn't be more mistaken. None of Locke, Bayle, Rousseau, Spinoza or Fichte were members of the "Illuminati" and it was they who helped produce the concept of general education. Add to that the revolutionary "Sunday schools" introduced in Britain by the Methodists--of all people.

Whoever Adam Weishaupt was, or whatever he and his pals envisioned, it was not even close to being influential on any level whatsoever. Your clue ought to be the fact that the only time the "Illuminati" is even mentioned on the internet or in books is in conspiracy literature. I have yet to see Fichte mentioned in any regard on a conspiracy site but you, as a German, ought to acknowledge properly that he had a greater influence on public education in your own country than any "secret society" ever did.

 

[Childlike Empress]

@Pardalis: How dense are you? NO I DONT BELIEVE THAT "THE ILLUMINATI" EXIST TODAY AND RULE THE WORLD!!! How can you read my posts on this thread and communicate with me and still insinuate that this is my believe? You are an airhead, comrade.

 

[Pardalis]

Also, it seems to me they've been at it for so long, they've screwed around with historical events, manipulated governments for centuries and yet they've never achieved they true goal: world domination. They never quite got there, which kind of reassures me that they probably never will, that they really are incompetent at what they are doing, well, except of making themselves invisible of course, who wouldn't after all this failure?

 

[Pardalis]

@Pardalis: How dense are you? NO I DONT BELIEVE THAT "THE ILLUMINATI" EXIST TODAY AND RULE THE WORLD!!! How can you read my posts on this thread and communicate with me and still insinuate that this is my believe? You are an airhead, comrade.

Then why did you say this:

@Pardalis: Absolutely not. It is a topic historians in the english speaking world should adress as fast and deep as possible, to counter reactionary propaganda. Agree?

Why should historians give a damn? Why are the Illuminati that important to you, if they're only a short lived historical curiosity?

ETA: added the bolding

 

[Childlike Empress]

I understand that but when I ask you to explain yourself you start mentioning Sarah Palin. Emoticon or not, I don't get the connection.

As for your assertions about the "Illuminati" being responsible for concepts such as the education of the masses, you couldn't be more mistaken. None of Locke, Bayle, Rousseau, Spinoza or Fichte were members of the "Illuminati" and it was they who helped produce the concept of general education. Add to that the revolutionary "Sunday schools" introduced in Britain by the Methodists--of all people.

Whoever Adam Weishaupt was, or whatever he and his pals envisioned, it was not even close to being influential on any level whatsoever. Your clue ought to be the fact that the only time the "Illuminati" is even mentioned on the internet or in books is in conspiracy literature. I have yet to see Fichte mentioned in any regard on a conspiracy site but you, as a German, ought to acknowledge properly that he had a greater influence on public education in your own country than any "secret society" ever did.

They were busted after a few years, remember? They had members like Knigge and Goethe and they were very influential because many of them were authors, journalists, poets, philosophers. You are making my point by the way. The JREF should or could be concerned about the slander of these people. They were neither crypto-(jews, jesuits, what the CT says) nor pagans, occultists, but radical rationalists fighting against an overwhelming zeitgeist of woo.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Why should historians give a damn? Why are the Illuminati that important to you, if they're only a short lived historical curiosity?

To me they are fascinating for several reasons and in spirit of the topic of this thread, it is very easy to debunk the claims made about them by CTs.

 

[Pardalis]

To me they are fascinating for several reasons and in spirit of the topic of this thread, it is very easy to debunk the claims made about them by CTs.

Why did you say "as fast and deep as possible"? You've established that you don't believe in the Illuminati woo, that's cool btw, but why the urgency then?

 

[stilicho]

They were busted after a few years, remember? They had members like Knigge and Goethe and they were very influential because many of them were authors, journalists, poets, philosophers. You are making my point by the way. The JREF should or could be concerned about the slander of these people. They were neither crypto-(jews, jesuits, what the CT says) nor pagans, occultists, but radical rationalists fighting against an overwhelming zeitgeist of woo.

So what you are saying is that "they" (possibly Sarah Palin) might equate JREF with the "Illuminati" and convince law enforcement people in the USA that American JREF-ers should be eliminated.

If that's what you're suggesting, it is all the things I said (draconian, unconstitutional, impossible), and wouldn't seriously impact the influence of "scepticism". It would probably reinforce "scepticism". Not to mention the Supreme Court would overrule "President Palin" immediately.

I know it's anecdotal, but I have personally never experienced any hostility at all (excepting from skeptigirl on this forum) for expressing my agnosticism. Is this about to change? If so, how?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Why did you say "as fast and deep as possible"? You've established that you don't believe in the Illuminati woo, that's cool btw, but why the urgency then?

Why the urgency? Because the illuminati are at the center of nearly every unified conspiracy theory promoted today and that cornerstone can be easily kicked. Isn't that what the whole debunking business is about? I'm very interested in seperating the wheat from the chaff, because, as you know, i believe in one or another conspiracy that i think should be dealt with, and for that we need people unaffected by idiotic reactionary stuff that muddies the water.

 

[Pardalis]

Why the urgency? Because the illuminati are at the center of nearly every unified conspiracy theory promoted today and that cornerstone can be easily kicked. Isn't that what the whole debunking business is about? I'm very interested in seperating the wheat from the chaff, because, as you know, i believe in one or another conspiracy that i think should be dealt with, and for that we need people unafflicted by idiotic reactionary stuff that muddies the water.

Now that's an answer, thanks, if only you had said that from the beginning. Fine, I can go with that.

See, when you don't say what you mean and are being antagonistic, then we can only assume what you mean, and get the wrong idea.

 

[Childlike Empress]

So what you are saying is that "they" (possibly Sarah Palin) might equate JREF with the "Illuminati" and convince law enforcement people in the USA that American JREF-ers should be eliminated.

If that's what you're suggesting, it is all the things I said (draconian, unconstitutional, impossible), and wouldn't seriously impact the influence of "scepticism". It would probably reinforce "scepticism". Not to mention the Supreme Court would overrule "President Palin" immediately.

I know it's anecdotal, but I have personally never experienced any hostility at all (excepting from skeptigirl on this forum) for expressing my agnosticism. Is this about to change? If so, how?

I said no such thing ... but here's a song for the night ... in fact it's already day here .. cu