Assistance required for telepathy proof

Hello again forum,

I have now completed a telepathy test with my Doctor using my "cat, ship" test and it worked first time.

I know that this is not absolute proof as it is only one test but more tests will be done in the future with someone to again validate the results I have gained so far which include the University of Northampton DMILS tests. These tests also showed that I am telepathic.

I have a polygraph which I can't get to work on my Windows 7 machine as it needs to uses the serial port on COM 1 or COM 2. To solve this problem I have bought a laptop with a serial port on with XP loaded which does access the serial port so hopefully it will work OK. The laptop should be arriving this week.

The “cat, ship” test works by a person hands two pieces of paper to a person to be tested and two to me. Each piece is folded so that no one can see the words written on them, one will be cat and one will be ship. Each person randomly chooses a piece of paper to open and then reads the word and writes it down so that no one else can see it. Once done then the person being tested is asked “Have you written down the same word that I wrote down?” and “Have you written down a different word to the word I wrote down?” or words to that effect. They are asked to say “No” to each answer so that one of their answers will be a lie if they have heard me thinking about the word that I wrote down. It can then be determined from the GSR – a 1 to 18 LED stress meter – which answer has the highest reading. If the readings are very different – in this case it was 3 LED’s on the first answer and 18 LED’s on the second answer. From this it means that the Doctor is being evasive on the second question and so she therefore has written down “cat”.

If you would like to hear the "cat, ship" test with my Doctor, then you can hear it here

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golfy
 
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Just 'cat' or 'ship'? A 50% chance of getting it right by chance?

How many trials?
 
Do you have a "media presence" yet?

Why all the complexity? Wouldn't a simpler test be to just transmit words or symbols telepathically to an ally? What's with all the (unreliable) measuring devices?
 
Golfy it's been three years of this. If you have this ability why should it take three years? These increasingly complex testing methods leave more room for error, or worse trickery, than anything. The test should be simple here. Simple is good. You write down the word you are sending, the other person writes down the word they are receiving. Neither party can see or hear each other and that condition must be assured with evidence.
 
To cbn620 and Forum,

That would rely on people being honest which is the whole problem. If I ask my friends if they can do just that then they always say something different to what I am thinking. I have been through this before. If I use electronic testing then I get the results that I would expect if people can hear my thoughts but are lying about it. The cat ship test is the simplest "lie detector" test I have tried that is actually effective. It takes into account an action performed by the tested person rather than just a state of mind of denying hearing something, which is harder to detect using a GSR (stress meter). Questions about performed actions create more stress and larger meter readings than state of mind questions like "Did you hear...". "Did you write..." is more effective and gets the required results - what is wrong with an effective test that gets the results that only takes minutes to do?

The whole point of the GSR/Lie Detector test is it gets around anyone’s ability to lie and manipulate or use trickery to effect the results so that I do not prove I am telepathic. If people simply told the truth then polygraphs etc would not exist. Every time I do some form of “getting around your ability to lie to me” test then I get the results that show categorically that I am telepathic. The tests are specifically designed to remove all elements of trickery. This is how they do it (using GSR) at Northampton University – do you know better than them? I would not do it this way if I had a choice but any way that proves the point effectively is effective.

If I could ask a person to simply repeat what I thought and they would do so I would have won the JREF challenge a long time ago but people are making it very difficult for me so I use a “removes all trickery” test and always get the right result. As you can hear on the recording the words from the Doctor contradict the “removes all trickery” test results.

golfy
 
Golfy,

Do you believe you are able to receive as well as send telepathic messages?

Lard
 
golfy said:
To cbn620 and Forum,

That would rely on people being honest which is the whole problem. If I ask my friends if they can do just that then they always say something different to what I am thinking.
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What the Dickens are you on about? cbn620's plan calls for you and your 'receiver' to WRITE DOWN the sent/received word. How the hell does someone lie about what's written on their piece of paper?


golfy said:
I have been through this before. If I use electronic testing then I get the results that I would expect if people can hear my thoughts but are lying about it. The cat ship test is the simplest "lie detector" test I have tried that is actually effective. It takes into account an action performed by the tested person rather than just a state of mind of denying hearing something, which is harder to detect using a GSR (stress meter). Questions about performed actions create more stress and larger meter readings than state of mind questions like "Did you hear...". "Did you write..." is more effective and gets the required results - what is wrong with an effective test that gets the results that only takes minutes to do?
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You've got to be kidding.

Are you seriously proposing some kind of arcane 'lie detector' test to establish whether someone has actually written down what they claim to have written down???

Why don't you just look at their piece of paper?


golfy said:
The whole point of the GSR/Lie Detector test is it gets around anyone’s ability to lie and manipulate or use trickery to effect the results so that I do not prove I am telepathic. If people simply told the truth then polygraphs etc would not exist. Every time I do some form of “getting around your ability to lie to me” test then I get the results that show categorically that I am telepathic. The tests are specifically designed to remove all elements of trickery. This is how they do it (using GSR) at Northampton University – do you know better than them? I would not do it this way if I had a choice but any way that proves the point effectively is effective.
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Yes, you ARE proposing a test of whether someone is telling the truth about what they've written down. That's pretty sad.


golfy said:
If I could ask a person to simply repeat what I thought and they would do so I would have won the JREF challenge a long time ago but people are making it very difficult for me so I use a “removes all trickery” test and always get the right result. As you can hear on the recording the words from the Doctor contradict the “removes all trickery” test results.
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No.


golfy said:
golfy
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Yes, probably.
 
golfy said:
To cbn620 and Forum,

That would rely on people being honest which is the whole problem. If I ask my friends if they can do just that then they always say something different to what I am thinking. I have been through this before. If I use electronic testing then I get the results that I would expect if people can hear my thoughts but are lying about it.
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Let me understand this: If you just use your friends to tell you what they think you are telepathically sending, you don't get the result you expected, so they must be lying to you, but when you interpret the output of an unreliable testing device while knowing full-well what the answer should be, your results are much better.

Yep, definite lying to you going on, but I don't think it was by your friends.
 
Golfy,

What is the stress meter actually measuring? When something says it measures "stress" it might be measuring one or more things, some more indicative of lying than others.

Also, what kind of testing did you do to determine what result corresponds to lying? How consistent were the results?

EDIT: Also, I just thought of an obvious and enormous problem... if telepathy doesn't work both answers would be lies.

"Have you written down the same word that I wrote down?”
True Answer: "I don't know."
Your Requested Answer: "No."

“Have you written down a different word to the word I wrote down?”
True Answer: "I don't know."
Your Requested Answer: "No."

So both are lies.
 
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jsfisher said:
Let me understand this: If you just use your friends to tell you what they think you are telepathically sending, you don't get the result you expected, so they must be lying to you, but when you interpret the output of an unreliable testing device while knowing full-well what the answer should be, your results are much better.

Yep, definite lying to you going on, but I don't think it was by your friends.
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You hit the nail on the head.
 
I can only transmit, not read or hear anyone’s else’s thoughts.

The polygraph is unreliable as its results cannot be verified. If I asked a person on a polygraph if they can hear my brain and the polygraph says that they can - can they? The results are not conclusive.

In a cat ship test the polygraph results are verified. Once the polygraph "tells" me which answer they are lying about - such as cat with the Doctor - this does not mean that they are lying. It may be a false positive.

If the Doctor then reveals that the word she wrote down is actually cat, the polygraph result is then verified as accurate. If it was ship then the polygraph result would be verified as inaccurate.

If the test is done ten time and the results are verified 100% - i.e. ten polygraph indications in a row are verified to be correct when the word written down by the subject is confirmed, then the polygraph results in this particular test under these particular conditions with this particular subject (the Doctor in this case as different people respond differently so you cannot assume the same about another person) have been verified as 100% accurate. Therefore the test is conclusive that the Doctor can hear my thoughts word for word and is lying when she says she cannot.

This does not mean that polygraphs are accurate under different circumstances and cannot be relied on 100% as the results can usually never be verified. That would mean that you are simply relying on the polygraph results alone to reach a conclusion. This is fraught with potential errors. In a cat ship test the actual accuracy of the test is verifiable every time so the polygraph or GSR results can be relied on 100% as accurate if the verifications shows that the polygraph did give the correct result.

If the polygraph says you have cat – have you – not sure if the poly is correct or not. When the word written down is revealed as cat then you know the poly did not make a mistake in this particular case and was a reliable indication. If the next test the poly says you have ship – do you – on verification the word written down is ship then again you know that the poly in this particular case again did not make a mistake etc. As long as the poly does this then the results are 100% valid. Repeat test untill the results are conclusive that the only thing possible is that the subject can hear my thoughts.

golfy
 
If people lie to you about receiving your thoughts, how do you know they receive your thoughts?
 
golfy said:
I can only transmit, not read or hear anyone’s else’s thoughts.
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Thanks for your reply, Golfy

Then you are alone in being the only person on the planet who cannot receive telepathic messages (notwithstanding the fact that all the other people on the planet choose to deny that they can).

Do I understand correctly?

Lard
 
To Sledge,

Because I "test" them by thinking to them - they always give off visual clues that they can near me or simply repeat my thoughts to me as an act of taunting for fun etc. It does not take long to work out that most people I speak to can hear me.

To Lard2010,

That is possible if you assume that everyone can hear me and my thoughts travel any distance. I would only hear thoughts if someone else was telepathic as well.

golfy
 
golfy said:
To Sledge,

Because I "test" them by thinking to them - they always give off visual clues that they can near me or simply repeat my thoughts to me as an act of taunting for fun etc. It does not take long to work out that most people I speak to can hear me.
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And have you seen a doctor about this?
 
golfy said:
Because I "test" them by thinking to them - they always give off visual clues that they can near me or simply repeat my thoughts to me as an act of taunting for fun etc. It does not take long to work out that most people I speak to can hear me.
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You've never considered the possibility that everyone you try this with isn't actually lying to you but that these "visual cues" that you perceive are all only in your head?
 
To Sledge,

What is the point in you asking questions about this if you have not read my notes or listened to the recording. The person doing the cat ship test IS my Doctor. I knew she could hear my thoughts as she gave off visual clues (to my thoughts about her) when I spoke to her at the end of February when I had a dose of food poisoning. My conclusion that she can hear my thoughts has been confirmed by the cat ship test.

To AdMan,

So why to the "get around your ability to lie" tests work then?

golfy
 
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