Are White Nationalists influencing the Ron Paul campaign?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

In essence, America is the same politically as it was in 1876.

Really?

Would you make a comparison of Federal responsibilities in 1876 and today?

 

[rtalman]

Really?

Would you make a comparison of Federal responsibilities in 1876 and today?

I do not speak of the playing field; I speak of the game.

Football has changed over the years; equipment has changed, rules have changed, the goalposts have moved, but it is still essentially the same game of running, blocking and tackling.

So too has politics changed; the right to vote has been added to include all adults, the age definition of adult has changed, more states have been added to the electorate, but it is still essentially the same game.

 

[rtalman]

Really? When are you going to complain about Hillary's donations by racists?

I am not voting in her party's primary. I am voting in the R) primary.

You have asked on several occasions why Ron Paul should bow to my wishes... He is asking me for my vote. If he wants my vote, he needs to show the wisdom and judgment necessary to lead our nation.

I kind of liked Ron Paul:

He is a nice poke in the eye to the establishment.

We share much the same view of the function of the Constitution and state's rights.

I like his view on Iraq, and I do not disagree with bringing our troops home from other places abroad.

He is off the mark on the NAU, but since it doesn't exist anyway, not that big a deal to me. If he would make a good leader overall, he can ward off tigers by wearing his pajamas all he wants.

He doesn't whole-heartedly embrace evolution, BFD. I don't know or really care how any of the other candidates feel about creationism, ID, or any of the other crap. It is not an issue I spend any time worrying about.

He is plain wrong on his historical view on civil rights. But that is stare decisis, and I can live with the disagreement.

Then we come to the issue that really resonates with me. He has entangled himself (or allowed himself to be entangled with) racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, holocaust-denying pieces of ****. Ron, get off the dime, stand up and denounce these scumbags for what they are.

Romney called a press conference and gave a speech that put to rest (whether you like what he said or not) the Mormon question. If Paul wants my vote, he needs to do the same with the scumbag question.

 

[Elizabeth I]

The difficulty is that if you don't win, you can't govern. If you can't govern, you can't implement your ideas.

I've been trying to explain this to my far-left friends for years. They don't get it any better than you do.

What I think you are missing is that the current two parties move in the same general direction.

The fact that you implied that "YOU" would govern shows that you have; as many do, succumbed to the thought that your interests are served by one of the two parties.

Huh?

First, you have NO idea what I think about any political parties, or any of their candidates.

Second, will you explain what kind of effect any candidate can hope to have is he/she does not get elected? If you don't win, you can't govern.

 

[Richard Masters]

Oh my God, that's great. Oh, gee, Ron Paul can't give the money back, because that would be giving money to white supremacists! That would be bad!

Of course, if Ron Paul had refused to so happily accept the donation in the FIRST place, we wouldn't have this problem.

Still, there is a logical conclusion to be derived from your misshapen line of reasoning. Ron Paul should in fact solicit as many donations from white supremacists as he can, so as to deprive them of even more money!

You are unbelievable.

Sweet m'f'ing Jesus.

"Ron Paul should in fact solicit as many donations from white supremacists as he can, so as to deprive them of even more money!"

Is there something wrong with depriving racists of money? You make it sound like it's a bad thing. But hey, if you enjoy giving money to racists, I'm sure the KKK will appreciate your donations.

 

[Richard Masters]

What percentage of the audience of people like A. Jones do you figure might be white nationalists? I know I find him linking to a lot of their "legals." I have never heard Jones denounce creeps like Bollyn and Hufschmid and D.B. Smith. Even Dylan Avery referrenced Bollyn in the early versions of Loose Change. Fellow travelers, all of them.



Hillary is a distant 8th choice for me out of the field of Democratic candidates. Pointless argument. My top three are Edwards, Obama and Dodd. Hillary is too cozey with the crank journalist Murdock for my tastes, but just a lot better than the GOP crowd.

And what is that "earmark for racists" remark about? You got some 'splainin' to do.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071030/NATION/110300060/1001

 

[NeoRicen]

"Ron Paul should in fact solicit as many donations from white supremacists as he can, so as to deprive them of even more money!"

Is there something wrong with depriving racists of money? You make it sound like it's a bad thing. But hey, if you enjoy giving money to racists, I'm sure the KKK will appreciate your donations.

That is really, really, really screwed up logic.

You don't think if that was your goal they wouldn't catch on?

 

[MaGZ]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071030/NATION/110300060/1001

Of course James Watson gives money to Hillary Clinton. After all he is trying to keep Obama from becoming president.

 

[leftysergeant]

These two fools with the old doofus are purportedly Don Black and his son. Looks to me like maybe RP did solicit their support.

 

[leftysergeant]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071030/NATION/110300060/1001

That doesn't explain much.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

That doesn't explain much.

It explains that Hillary Clinton used her office as Senator to give $900,000 of taxpayer monies to a racist.

 

[MaGZ]

These two fools with the old doofus are purportedly Don Black and his son. Looks to me like maybe RP did solicit their support.

Could you tell us when and where this photo was taken?

 

[OneShotKi11]

At the next debate Ron Paul should take $500 and through the **** into the crowd and tell everyone to go **** themselves.

There goes your dam racist donated money. I bet you people would pick it up and then they would be the scum taking a white nationalists money.

I dont understand what is the big problem with racist believing in Ron Pauls ideas!!!

 

[Mister Agenda]

Could you tell us when and where this photo was taken?

I'll bet I can tell you in general. It was at a rally or straw poll where a lot of people lined up to get their picture taken with Ron Paul. Whenever any politician gets their picture taken with any random person, you can rationally conclude that the politician solicited their support knowing who they are and what they believe.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I'll bet I can tell you in general. It was at a rally or straw poll where a lot of people lined up to get their picture taken with Ron Paul. Whenever any politician gets their picture taken with any random person, you can rationally conclude that the politician solicited their support knowing who they are and what they believe.

Well, that sounds halfway plausible, so please will you post a photo of Barack Obama posing with Don Black?

OK, let's make it easy. Any Republican candidate other than Ron Paul?

In your own time.

 

[dudalb]

They attack the donation because it is apparent that RP sought it and that RP has made no comment disrespectful to the lowest vermin on earth to disassociate himself from them.

He made the choice to lie down with those flea-ridden mutts. I shall not hand him the flea powder.

Exactly. If Paul wanted to end this controversy,all he need do is say that although he cannot keep a group from endorsing him,he can denounce such support and say he does not want it,and refuse to accept money from them.Paul has not done so.
In the unlikely event that Paul becomes a factor in the election,don't think his opponents will not make hay out of this.

 

[dudalb]

The verbal gymnastics of the Paul supporters to excuse and/or justify Paul's trying to have it both ways on racist support is quite amusing.
I was not a big fan of Perot back in 1992,and though he was a borderline kook,but at least Perot had enough sense to announce early on that he did not want the support of racist/White Supremists organizations.
This whole mess is another reason why Paul will amount to nothing when all is said and done,the guy does not know how to run a campaign.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Well, that sounds halfway plausible, so please will you post a photo of Barack Obama posing with Don Black?

OK, let's make it easy. Any Republican candidate other than Ron Paul?

In your own time.

Are you still in high school?

 

[Richard Masters]

Counter-Intuitive

That is really, really, really screwed up logic.

You don't think if that was your goal they wouldn't catch on?

No, it's not screwed up logic. Counter-intuitive, maybe.

"You don't think if that was your goal they wouldn't catch on?"

Your ultimate goal need not be to deprive racists of money in order to realize that returning a donation by a racist would be illogical whether or not you oppose their ideology.

If your goal is to appease the ignorant masses, then it would be better to return the donation.

If you want to be logical, make a point, and resist appeasing the ignorant masses because doing so might result in a slippery slope, then the most logical thing to do would be to denounce racist ideology, and explain the logic behind your decision to keep the money.

I defer to Dr. Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LasYYAaO4c

In my opinion this results in a PR nightmare for Ron Paul, but from a logical standpoint it doesn't define whether Ron Paul is actually racist or not.

 

[Mister Agenda]

I hope this is both relevant and not redundant with someone else's post:

http: //www. youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY