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Are White Nationalists influencing the Ron Paul campaign?

Not many people are likely to follow that link. Unless, of course, they are in need of a laxative or ipecac, the functions of which reading the forums at stormfront can uncannily reproduce in rational people. But it seems like too much effort to have to shower after every couple of posts you read there.
 
Influencing??? What does that mean? Because some ******** and idiots are stupid enough to contribute to a campaign that they are too stupid to recognize the anti-thesis of all they stand for, somehow that tars Ron Paul and he is being influenced by them? Is he supposed to screen every single contribution from a hundred thousand people in order to determine what their personal beliefs and foibles are? Is the money going to do more good in the hands of a man believes fundamentally in civil rights and civil liberties for all people or in the hands of white supremacists? Ron Paul has said, sure, I'll take their money. Their stupid to give it to me since I don't agree with them at all, but if they want to do that I'll use it to spread the message of liberty.
 
Influencing??? What does that mean? Because some ******** and idiots are stupid enough to contribute to a campaign that they are too stupid to recognize the anti-thesis of all they stand for, somehow that tars Ron Paul and he is being influenced by them? Is he supposed to screen every single contribution from a hundred thousand people in order to determine what their personal beliefs and foibles are? Is the money going to do more good in the hands of a man believes fundamentally in civil rights and civil liberties for all people or in the hands of white supremacists? Ron Paul has said, sure, I'll take their money. Their stupid to give it to me since I don't agree with them at all, but if they want to do that I'll use it to spread the message of liberty.

That was my point.
 
He should renounce their support and donate the $ - that Don Black gave him - to maybe a Jewish organization. That ought to get those guys going!!
 
He should renounce their support and donate the $500, that Don Black gave him, to maybe a Jewish organization. That ought to get those guys going!! LOL.

BTW, Paul has said in his own words he would have not supported the 1964 (?) Civil Rights Bill. There was also that statement written in his newsletter some years back saying that 'blacks were fleet footed.' So yes there is something to it.
 
Influencing??? What does that mean? Because some ******** and idiots are stupid enough to contribute to a campaign that they are too stupid to recognize the anti-thesis of all they stand for,

Wrong topic, guy. We are talking about white supremacists donating to Ron Paul. Thats kind of like oil drillers donating to Bush.

What described was more like Green Peace activists donating to Bush.
 
Maybe I just have rose-colored glasses on, but I think that a candidate should not accept campaign donations from questionable sources. To her credit, Hillary Clinton returned campaign money tied to Hsu, and also returned money from Bill Clinton's 11th hour pardons. Edwards returned money from an attorney with a checkered past. Biden returned money from an oilman tied to the oil for food scandal.

No question in my mind; Ron Paul should return the money not just from Don Black, but any money donated through Stormfront.
 
Recently Ron Paul on Meet the Press said that Abe Lincoln should not have started the Civil War, saying losing 600,000 people was not worth fighting the conflict. This will win him support in the South where some think the South had the right to leave the Union. I suspect there is some overlap with those who believe this and the readers of Stormfront.
 
I would recommend you look into more than just the headline. What was his reasoning?

From the Ron Paul board!! Here it is!

"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife."[144]

On The Voting Rights Act of 1965:

In 2006, Paul joined 32 other members of Congress in opposing the renewal of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, originally passed to remove barriers to voting participation for minorities.[143] Paul has indicated that he did not object to the voting rights clauses, but rather to restrictions placed on property rights by the bill.[144] He felt the federal interference mandated by the bill was costly and unjustified because the situation for minorities voting is much different than when the bill was passed 40 years ago. All of Texas' representatives voted against the bill, because they believe it specifically singles out some Southern states, including Texas, for federal Justice Department oversight that makes it difficult for localities to change the location of a polling place or other small acts without first receiving permission from the federal government.[145] The bill also mandated bilingual voting ballots upon request, and in a letter opposing the bill for this reason, 80 members of Congress including Paul objected to the costly implications of requiring bilingual ballots.[145] In one example cited in the letter, the members detailed how Los Angeles spent $2.1 million for the 2004 election to provide ballots in seven different languages and more than 2,000 translators, although one of the requirements of gaining United States citizenship is ability to read in English, and another California district spent $30,000 on translating ballots per election despite receiving only one request for Spanish documents in 16 years. The legislators also noted that printing in foreign languages increases the chances of ballot error, pointing out a specific example of erroneous translated ballots that had been used in Flushing, Queens.[146]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=29809


This is the 21st Century not the 19th!!
 
Recently Ron Paul on Meet the Press said that Abe Lincoln should not have started the Civil War, saying losing 600,000 people was not worth fighting the conflict. This will win him support in the South where some think the South had the right to leave the Union. I suspect there is some overlap with those who believe this and the readers of Stormfront.
But you leave off a significant point - slavery would have ended well before the end of the 19th century without any war and without the deaths of all of these people. And up to this point is was widely assumed that the United States was a voluntary association of more or less independent states. Lincoln has been painted as a saint by history. The truth is much darker and more complicated than that.
 
But you leave off a significant point - slavery would have ended well before the end of the 19th century without any war and without the deaths of all of these people.

The argument I most often hear along these lines is that slavery ended in other parts of the world, most notably England, relatively peacefully as nations industrialized and slave labor became impractical. However, that argument never seems to account for the prejudice and segregation that was ingrained into the deep south and would go on for another century after the failure of reconstruction with the same hypocritical states' rights arguments being used to defend Jim Crow. If The Confederacy was really about states' rights they should not have made protection of slavery mandatory for member states.

Not being an expert in the Civil War beyond Ken Burns level, I concluded that the Civil War was little more than another rich mans war fought by the poor man. Wealthy Southern aristocrats wanted slavery protected against all enemies with free trade and wealthy Northern industrialist wanted the southern states to industrialize and throw up throw up protective tariffs. At the mid level you had progressive idealist in the North that wanted slavery abolished and traditionalist in the South full of prejudice against "the negro race" and deeply suspicious of perceived Northern aggression against their way of life. It should come as no surprise that Buchanan and Piece are also considered two of the most ineffective leaders in American history, setting the stage for irreconcilable differences between North and South in 1861.

The Civil War is really a topic in of itself though and I admit that my knowledge here is lacking, I honestly tried to interest myself in pre-20th century American history in college but always found myself more interested in 20th century American history and classical history.

Moving on to Ron Paul, I have wondered what would happen if the so called modern states' rights crowd had their way with abortion and same sex unions. I do not imagine it would tear the union apart the same way slavery did on an ethical level, but I can imagine such a policy being a very bloody thorn in the side of state governments. What good would it do if abortion was banned in say, Kansas but legal in Colorado and Missouri? Any Kansan wanting an abortion could simply travel to Colorado or Missouri, only burdening them with travel and not preventing abortions.

Likewise, if same sex unions were recognized by the federal government but states were allowed to ban them for state law purposes and not obliged to recognized same sex unions consecrated in other states, you have only limited the states in which same sex couples can reside in while enjoying the full legal benefits of a union. I have always found the Paul position of not recognizing same sex unions on the federal level but leaving states to decide whether to recognize them on their level idiotic because one of the main federal benefits of a union is joint tax filing. Of course, Paul also wants to do away with the IRS but that's never going to happen, so his own argument is essentially unrealistic.
 
Paul was on Meet the Press this past Sunday. There he discussed both the Civil Rights Bill and the Civil War (amongst other things). If you're interested, I'm sure the video is posted on NBC's page.

As for the topic of this op, Russert didn't question him about the support from "white nationalists" (what a great euphemism!) which disappointed me. Paul's unwillingness to distance himself from the CT crowd and "white nationalists" is unnerving. I'd like to see a reporter hold his feet to the fire on a major stage.
 
And that isn't a bad thing? He's either a crook that just takes people's money with no intention of working for them or he's cuddling up with white supremacists.

I think its good that Russert and the media really don't raise a stink about that asrea of support for RP because it puts them in the spotlight. Suddenly, they are going to have influence on the presidential election. There are just enough vocal lunatics to make themselves a nuissance.

Imagine, 6 mini-David Dukes each picking a major candidate to back. Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Rudy, Huckabee, and Romney each have one getting on the news or YoutTube telling the world why that particular candidate is his choice.

How uncomfortable would that make you going into the polls?
 
Ron Paul sings about states' rights & big bad government, and those are some of the white supremacists' favorite tunes.
 

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