Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

[pavel_do]

And what specifically? (Except that you will use a deck of cards.)

With a few corrections, that will depends on the test.. i still don’t know what will I perform the Zenner cards, or random photos that I will have to name.. in any case, they all will be in single envelopes, separately, weather it will be Photos of different things or zenner cards, Also If i will be doing it on my own completely, there will be no need for second room for other person as there will be no "transmitter" I will be "guessing" them on my own, one by one given to my hands, and i will be naming cards, or drow on top of each envelope what I see is inside.. Or if we go for transmission as it done in Named protocol, than it will be all the same.. except that instead of words there will be Zenner cards or Photos in envelopes. Plus as i was saying from start, I will have my eyes covered and ears to illuminate extra destructions

 

[Czarcasm]

With a few corrections, that will depends on the test.. i still don’t know what will I perform the Zenner cards, or random photos that I will have to name.. in any case, they all will be in single envelopes, separately, weather it will be Photos of different things or zenner cards, Also If i will be doing it on my own completely, there will be no need for second room for other person as there will be no "transmitter" I will be "guessing" them on my own, one by one given to my hands, and i will be naming cards, or drow on top of each envelope what I see is inside.. Or if we go for transmission as it done in Named protocol, than it will be all the same.. except that instead of words there will be Zenner cards or Photos in envelopes. Plus as i was saying from start, I will have my eyes covered and ears to illuminate extra destructions

Each card in a separate envelope? Handling the cards before guessing? Drawing on the envelopes themselves?
I don't think so!

 

[pavel_do]

Each card in a separate envelope? Handling the cards before guessing? Drawing on the envelopes themselves?
I don't think so!

what is the problem?? I want card to be on same table If i will be doing on my own, you offer to guess cards that will be in other room, that i will not even see and then results will be announced?? I don’t think so.. If there is a transmitter fair enough... if i do it on my own, no one will allow a deck on the table to avoid me see them.. so i offer to seal each card in envelope, and after i guess is open it.. I can write or name what i see instead of writing on top of envelope.. doesn’t make any deferent’s.. But I am Not seeing point in guessing things that i cant even see..
But I am Not seeing point in guessing things that i cant even see..
Even if each card will be chosen by who ever in my presents in room.. Who ever will be sitting in front of me with cards.. Who ever will hold them till I name it.. Even thet is fine more or lees, BUT it has to be openly done in my presents… NOT SOMEWHERE IN OTHER ROOM WHERE I DON’T EVEN SEE WHAT HAPPANING.. every one see me as a cheter who just want to find the way etc.... Why should I blindly believe to the other side..?? 1.000.000 in the end of the day, not is something that given easily.. and when there is wile there is a way.. that why then more it all will be open from both sides than better.. so there will be no extra questions for both sides.... still for same reasons I wanted to hear and wrote a few letters to JREF to hear from them what is MINNIMUM CARDS guessed would be accepted as passing of FIRST test… THERE WAS NO REPLY.. so if I would hear it I would put it in clame.. The named protocol says.. 19 out of 20 or 20 out of 20 .. Well I am not claiming to name 19 out of 20.. I would claim as minimum as they want.. as long as it reasonable.. and max is what ever would be above Minimum.. As I was saying before my best result still 18 out of 25, but there was a day I done 3 out of 25. I am honest.. I am not saying I do 18 every time.. usually its 11-13 out of 25…and would like to know as I said before, what is the minimum that JREF would be satisfy with...
P.S>
for all named reasons and possible reasons.. I offered CELLS test.. as here it all easy.. Biologist make cells.. i do what i do and then they make there report and opinion about affect… Both side me and JREF depend on 3rd party report.. fair?? I think so.. all done in front of every one.. than sealed or what ever. And then opened and counted.. what ever.

 

[Czarcasm]

You want to put the cards in the envelopes yourself, handle the envelopes, draw on the envelopes, and open them yourself???

Why is this thread still in the Million Dollar Challenge forum?

 

[pavel_do]

You want to put the cards in the envelopes yourself, handle the envelopes, draw on the envelopes, and open them yourself???

Why is this thread still in the Million Dollar Challenge forum?

No I want who ever make sure that deck contains 25 cards with witnesses.. Seal them in separate envelopes, and then mix them in front of me and every body alts .. and then one by one give me to guess..
I see nothing wrong with it.. Same would be with photos if it will be that I guess photos.. If it will be transmission from my friend to me ( my friend and no one alts for same reason. Cause I know HE will be seeing star and transmitting me a star not a circle or anything elts I can trust hem, and CAN NOT be sure in any one elts that that some one alts will be honest...) So when the envelope will be chosen from deck and passed to me or even placed in front of me if there will be no way for me to hold it.. still don’t see a reason not to.. And after I name what I see, I was going to draw on top of it.. so when envelope would be opened, there would be NO mix up or any disputes with what I said.. for same reason I would like the envelope remain on same table.. or even better opened straight after I named it to see weather I right or wrong and would remain on table it can be placed back in envelope and be a side. what ever but remain there.. to avoid any disputes that there was 10 stars in the end of the day or they was mixed up or replaced or something.. as I said already. then more easy and open it all will be than better...

 

[Czarcasm]

How's this for an alternative: You are in one room, the person holding the cards(which are NOT shuffled in front of you) is in a separate room, you are not allowed to see or hold the cards in any way during the test, as each card is held up to a video camera, you will tell us what you think the card is. Everything is audio and video taped. If you wish, the cards can be shown to the person of your choice, who you will not be able to see or hear during the test.
Sound o.k. to you?

 

[GzuzKryzt]

No I want who ever make sure that deck contains 25 cards with witnesses.. Seal them in separate envelopes, and then mix them in front of me and every body alts .. and then one by one give me to guess..
I see nothing wrong with it.. Same would be with photos if it will be that I guess photos.. If it will be transmission from my friend to me ( my friend and no one alts for same reason. Cause I know HE will be seeing star and transmitting me a star not a circle or anything elts I can trust hem, and CAN NOT be sure in any one elts that that some one alts will be honest...) So when the envelope will be chosen from deck and passed to me or even placed in front of me if there will be no way for me to hold it.. still don’t see a reason not to.. And after I name what I see, I was going to draw on top of it.. so when envelope would be opened, there would be NO mix up or any disputes with what I said.. for same reason I would like the envelope remain on same table.. or even better opened straight after I named it to see weather I right or wrong and would remain on table it can be placed back in envelope and be a side. what ever but remain there.. to avoid any disputes that there was 10 stars in the end of the day or they was mixed up or replaced or something.. as I said already. then more easy and open it all will be than better...

Payel_do, at the risk of sounding redundant:

There is a perfect protocol in place which you are finding fair and which would be suitable to test your claim. What keeps you from using that protocol and going forward with the test of your claimed ability?

Why delay getting your million? Why delay funding cancer research?

 

[Gmonster2]

Big surprise , with 1 million dollars up for grabs its nine months later and still we wait ...

Like waiting for an expectant birth! Me, i'm guessing the outcome will be something like Rosemary's baby

 

[rjh01]

Big surprise , with 1 million dollars up for grabs its nine months later and still we wait ...

Like waiting for an expectant birth! Me, i'm guessing the outcome will be something like Rosemary's baby

Try over 11 months since this video (submitted to Youtube on 3 April 2007) and still no challenge application with a reasonable protocol sent in.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Try over 11 months since this video (submitted to Youtube on 3 April 2007) and still no challenge application with a reasonable protocol sent in...

...although the potential applicant has a media profile and there already is a suitable protocol in place, which only needs minor tweaking.

 

[pavel_do]

...although the potential applicant has a media profile and there already is a suitable protocol in place, which only needs minor tweaking.

As I said before, I need an academic witnessing, and I am waiting for reply from people that I been in touch with. Plus as you know, than it has to be signed with a Solicitor and then posted to JREF. And than they decide if it is Ok for them.. So I would like to prepare all properly, and discuss before all details such as a claim and protocol, to avoid running to a Solicitor again and again if JREF will be finding something wrong or not correct or what ever after receiving my claim.. So i am almost there... in a way.. Yes it been 11 months.. but it is better late than never.. as we say in Russia, you should rush only when you try catch the Pest, other wise you risk make every body laugh..

 

[pavel_do]

How's this for an alternative: You are in one room, the person holding the cards(which are NOT shuffled in front of you) is in a separate room, you are not allowed to see or hold the cards in any way during the test, as each card is held up to a video camera, you will tell us what you think the card is. Everything is audio and video taped. If you wish, the cards can be shown to the person of your choice, who you will not be able to see or hear during the test.
Sound o.k. to you?

That is the same as.. You at your home shuffle the cards and I never see them.. and have to guess it, from pointed on it camera..?? In that case.. from the beginning I would have to practice it this way.. but I am finding it a bit stupid and ridicules. If some one claim it good luck to them.. I do it a bit in more “old fashioned” way… As I was saying before, if it is my friend who transmit this cards, fair enough I don’t see it.. it can be only on video camera etc.. You say it can be showed to a person on my choice.. what is the point of it? if I cant see this person or hear..? Any way, it will be up to negotiations with JTRF, BUT I am not claiming guess cards from other room, with who ever shuffled them and I never even see it..
I will post some of my protocols versions, one of this days, that made on the base of the one that was offered to me.

 

[Czarcasm]

That is the same as.. You at your home shuffle the cards and I never see them.. and have to guess it, from pointed on it camera..?? In that case.. from the beginning I would have to practice it this way.. but I am finding it a bit stupid and ridicules. If some one claim it good luck to them.. I do it a bit in more “old fashioned” way… As I was saying before, if it is my friend who transmit this cards, fair enough I don’t see it.. it can be only on video camera etc.. You say it can be showed to a person on my choice.. what is the point of it? if I cant see this person or hear..? Any way, it will be up to negotiations with JTRF, BUT I am not claiming guess cards from other room, with who ever shuffled them and I never even see it..
I will post some of my protocols versions, one of this days, that made on the base of the one that was offered to me.

You will not get to touch the cards. You will not get to see the cards. You will not be allowed visual or verbal clues from your friend. What's more, I suspect you already know this, and that your counter-proposals are nothing more than a stall to allow you free publicity. I don't think this is a serious proposal, because you deliberately make counter-proposals that are unworkable and/or unacceptable.
I ask, again, why is this thread still in the Million Dollar Challenge forum?

As far as I am concerned, this farce is over.

 

[pavel_do]

You will not get to touch the cards. You will not get to see the cards. You will not be allowed visual or verbal clues from your friend. What's more, I suspect you already know this, and that your counter-proposals are nothing more than a stall to allow you free publicity. I don't think this is a serious proposal, because you deliberately make counter-proposals that are unworkable and/or unacceptable.
I ask, again, why this thread is still in the Million Dollar Challenge?

As far as I am concerned, this farce is over.

Did i said anything about talking to my friend? What verbal or visual clues?? I will have my eyes covered same as ears... WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH TOUCHING OR SEEING CARDS?? NO ONE SAIS I NEED TO SEE THEM OPEN?? It will be sealed in envelope. Did any one performed it the way you saying?? Any evidence that clairvoyants or telepathy can be performed in any situation or conditions?? Maybe you think they has to place me in metal bag? to illuminate any kind of waives or what ever.. cause some one think that way i can feel something if i am not pressed with conditions and all kind of restrictions.. when i have to be sealed in other room etc.. JREF there to make sure that there is no cheatings what so ever.. WHY IS THIS TREAD STILL HERE??? YOU CAN DELETE IT, I STILL WILL BE APPLYING AND NEGOTIATIONG PROTOCOL! JUST NO ONE KNOWS, I DO NOT NEED FREE PUBLICITY AS YOU SAING! The challenge says that ready to make sure that you can perform what you claim as simple as possible and not to complicate anything.. I never read or heard form JREF, something like.. You welcome to apply but, YOU HAVE TO BE IN SEPARATE ROOM, YOU CAN`T TOUCH SEE CARDS ECT?? Nonsense! I have enough things to do, not only be here on forum or prepare myself to challenge that why it been 11 months and i am still not there... and still trying to find ways that would be as simple as.. that why also proposed cells, in that case, i don’t need to se it or what ever.. I just do what i do and than we wait for results..
I just don’t know what to say any more…

 

[ile]

Did i said anything about talking to my friend? What verbal or visual clues?? I will have my eyes covered same as ears... WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH TOUCHING OR SEEING CARDS?? NO ONE SAIS I NEED TO SEE THEM OPEN?? It will be sealed in envelope. Did any one performed it the way you saying?? Any evidence that clairvoyants or telepathy can be performed in any situation or conditions?? Maybe you think they has to place me in metal bag? to illuminate any kind of waives or what ever.. cause some one think that way i can feel something if i am not pressed with conditions and all kind of restrictions.. when i have to be sealed in other room etc.. JREF there to make sure that there is no cheatings what so ever.. WHY IS THIS TREAD STILL HERE??? YOU CAN DELETE IT, I STILL WILL BE APPLYING AND NEGOTIATIONG PROTOCOL! JUST NO ONE KNOWS, I DO NOT NEED FREE PUBLICITY AS YOU SAING! The challenge says that ready to make sure that you can perform what you claim as simple as possible and not to complicate anything.. I never read or heard form JREF, something like.. You welcome to apply but, YOU HAVE TO BE IN SEPARATE ROOM, YOU CAN`T TOUCH SEE CARDS ECT?? Nonsense! I have enough things to do, not only be here on forum or prepare myself to challenge that why it been 11 months and i am still not there... and still trying to find ways that would be as simple as.. that why also proposed cells, in that case, i don’t need to se it or what ever.. I just do what i do and than we wait for results..
I just don’t know what to say any more…

My dear chap,

some universities are starting to investigate the possibility of installing inhibitors in exam rooms (if they have not already installed them) in order to avoid cheating ... for a measly pass!! And you wonder about precautions when a million bucks - and much more to boot - is at stake?

Anyhow, why would you care? You do not have to cheat, so why not accept the obvious (I dare predict, I must be psychic) : you will not be allowed to handle the envelopes _at all_. You will not be allowed to receive any kind of clue from any collaborator, be they sight, sound, smell, or electromagnetic wave mediated by electronics.

Again, from a different source this time: what, precisely, is inapplicable in your case from the Achau Nguyen protocol?

 

[pavel_do]

My dear chap,

some universities are starting to investigate the possibility of installing inhibitors in exam rooms (if they have not already installed them) in order to avoid cheating ... for a measly pass!! And you wonder about precautions when a million bucks - and much more to boot - is at stake?

Anyhow, why would you care? You do not have to cheat, so why not accept the obvious (I dare predict, I must be psychic) : you will not be allowed to handle the envelopes _at all_. You will not be allowed to receive any kind of clue from any collaborator, be they sight, sound, smell, or electromagnetic wave mediated by electronics.

Again, from a different source this time: what, precisely, is inapplicable in your case from the Achau Nguyen protocol?

Do any body knows exactly what is telepathy or clairvoyance etc? Maybe it is kind of waives (electromagnetic from the brain) that let says can work fro 2 meter up to kilometers depend on personal abilities.. I care about, to make it as less stressful as possible, cause when you calm inside that already half way.. The people and cameras and conditions etc will be enough stressful, no need to make it worse.. Imagine me its you.. They, will tell you that you cant see touch etc.. And we put you in separate room etc.. would that make you calm?? Concentrated etc..?? I doubt it.! I don’t claim to read it form other country or room etc.. I don’t, never did, I know a million is not a joke, but it still has to be possible to get it.. and not to create all conditions to make it impossible form first place.. can you make a Piano player to perform perfect with allot of stress putting allot of conditions like holding hes hands tight to the body and not seeing the Music list etc..?? can you??
I know one thing and even if some one not believe in this things still can assume that This kind of thing up to how you feel! NO?? WHY cant I see the deck?? WHY cant touch the envelope?? Cause there is information that the person can see through sealed envelope?? Or Can feel what is the picture in side of the sealed envelope when he holds it?? I am not asking to let me shuffle the cards and bring my own envelopes etc.. For what reason I cant hold envelope and than name what is inside?? What reason? Shell I put the claim that I can guess what is card inside of the envelope by holding it for 2 minutes in my hands??
There was a claim when lady was holding diary’s to tell if it belonged to a man or a woman. no one stopped her from that. What is the problem with holding sealed envelope before name it? I can not understand why it is has to be so difficult?? Be cause it is possible? To hold envelope and feel what is inside.. what if the holding give you a better “picture”..? why not??
I am not seeking to receive any kind of clue from any collaborator, be they sight, sound, smell, or electromagnetic wave mediated by electronics as you said and everybody think.. what clue can you get from holding the envelope..it is not going to be transparent or card in side with RUFF 3 D picture that u can feel..
RE Achau Nguyen protocol.. His claim is a bit different he used words. Claimed to pick up thoughts etc.. The protocol is FAIR and PERFECT for his case, and for my it can be fitted inn as i said, but with the corrections.. Still if I will claim in the end that I can get "cards" by picking up my Friend thoughts than 90% protocol is fine just the different that we use cards not words.. still why cant we be in same room, even if covered from each other by sort of wall, not on different floors or with 2 meeter wall between us.. my eyes will be covered we will not talk in any way.. my ears will be covered so i will not be able to pick up any signs as every one think..etc..?/ What if this kind of telepathy work from maximum 2 meters from each other..it can not be claimed any more cause it too easy?? cause it is officially proved that it can be done with no limit's of distance and conditions etc..?? I dont think so..
So in all the cells would be perfect as i said no need for a any conditions.. i do what i do and we wait fro verdict from the doctors. I still didn’t get reply from JREF if it can be a claim.. But same, I don’t see reasons why not.. I don’t think that Everybody can place a hands over cells and say a "prayer" and that make cancer cells to spread less than the ones that was not 'treated".. Or it is official and normal for everyone.. People can say what card in side by holding sealed envelope in hands.. and make cells grow less.. So I am nothing special.. and I need to claim that I can guess card with not holding envelope and not seeing it at all.. cause other way everyone can do it..

 

[GzuzKryzt]

You claimed telepathy, pavel_do. Hence I suggested the Achau Nguyen protocol since it was found to be suitable and already used once. From what you have been saying - I think - perhaps the Carina Landin protocol would fit your claim as well.

Why do I keep suggesting existing protocols? Because it usually takes many months to work out a protocol, let alone to agree on one. With a protocol already in place, it would speed up the process of getting to a preliminary test considerably.

But it is on you to do the research necessary to know what to do to proceed to a test. It's all here on this website. You want the million after all, right?

The reason for two seperate rooms is obviously to eliminate cheating. Do not expect this to change.



The JREF and most of the posters in this subforum do not care at all for theories, hypotheses or stories.
By the way: If you allegedly make cells grow, why bother with the JREF Prize at all? Since humanitarian aspects seem to drive you, perhaps you should focus on a career in bio-chemistry, cellular biology etc.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

...
So in all the cells would be perfect as i said no need for a any conditions.. i do what i do and we wait fro verdict from the doctors. I still didn’t get reply from JREF if it can be a claim.. But same, I don’t see reasons why not..
...

One more time:
Any test for the JREF Prize must not involve judging or a verdict.
The results have to be self-evident.
A success/failure scenario has to be agreed upon in advance.



Would you post the letter(s) you sent to the JREF in this thread, pavel_do? Perhaps we could explain to you why you have not had a reply.

 

[Arkayik]

Just another troll

GK, you are amazing! Patience of Job (if I can make that reference without insulting you...).

However, new as I am to all this, I'm so certain this guy is a fake, right down to his phony accent/writing.

Put up or shut up Pavel.

We don't make the claims, we just test'em. You make the claims. So when you figure out what you can/can't do, we'll be here. Otherwise admit you're a fake and slink out the back door quietly!

I'm sure GZ and the rest of the crew have better things to do than bird-dog your delusions... Kudos to them though, they're pretty darn good at spotting a fake. Think GZ had you nailed by about... Oh, the first post...

Cheers.

 

[rjh01]

It has been six days since he last made a post here. Has he fled? At least for a time.

As for being some sort of fake, yes. If he had any real ability he would have already won the prize.