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Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

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Czarcasm said:
1. What "medical center"?
2. What is this lady's name?
3. Why did a medical center let you get any farther than the information desk? Are you not the "Unauthorized Personnel" that is supposedly prohibited from doing what you've claimed to have done?
4. Do you even realize that, until you provide real information that can be checked up on, what you've provided so far is not evidence of anything than an ability to tell stories?
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In addition to Czarcasm's inquiries, I'd like to ask if you have abandoned the pursuit of proving your claim of telepathy?
 
Czarcasm said:
1. What "medical center"?
2. What is this lady's name?
3. Why did a medical center let you get any farther than the information desk? Are you not the "Unauthorized Personnel" that is supposedly prohibited from doing what you've claimed to have done?
4. Do you even realize that, until you provide real information that can be checked up on, what you've provided so far is not evidence of anything than an ability to tell stories?
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1. I can not tell ladys name without her permission,
2. medical center is the one she work in, cant name it for same reason.
3.The lady work there and work on cancer biology research, I DIDN'T BROKE IN or something, i don't understand why all jumped on me as if i committed crime by "treating" cancer cells...?? what wrong with that?? I was allowed to enter Lab with her permission, and her concern, not on my own...!
4. I DO realize that i have to provide all detail.. that why I AM ASKING FIRST if it CAN BE A CLAIM.. in order NOT to waist any ones time.. If it can be claim, i have to do it officially with all record etc, that will include report form tests and same time that will be Academic witnessing...as you understand it is not that easy,. you come to any center and tell them I can influence cells...you know what they will tell you..?? If the medical center i been to will agree is fine,.. if not ill try to find any other who would be interested in such tests, the lady that made tests agreed to prepare detailed report and description of what was done in order to provide to a medical center.
 
GzuzKryzt said:
In addition to Czarcasm's inquiries, I'd like to ask if you have abandoned the pursuit of proving your claim of telepathy?
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No i did not abandoned it.. but just thinking that cancer cells more impotent than , "guessing" of the Zenner cards... cause it can be useful as human lifes is involved.
beside that as i mentioned before, i think it make all easy for both sides, I still have to get academic witnessing and all the papers in order.. weather for zenner or cells.. beside that i think it make easier judgment.. cause for example in cells case, the medical academics will count them and give there report i just do what i have to do and that it waiting for results.. As in case of Zenner cards Ok, the protocol that you suggested fair and seem easy also can be used in my case with a bit of changes and correction, fair enough, But after 1 test has to be the actual one as we all know, and what if ill be told to make 100 runs if zenners cards etc..,? i don't think i can make such marathons... AND AGAIN i think that Cancer cells more important than Zenner cards,, If it can not be a claim, i still go for zenner cards, at the moment all i need it so get Academic witnessing, i sent letters to the guys form University that i been in touch when i was last time in US, due to the Spring brake there was no answer yet, but i will get it one of this days any way and will go for it. I understand that 90% here sure that i am one of BLA -BLA -BLA psychics and time wasters.. but really i don't have time to waist not my not any one elites.. Beside that for example if the Cancer cells claim can be accepted and ill find Lab that officially will support me and help em with reports etc, If i get 1.000.000$ i keep for my self only 10% the rest will go to the medical center for cancer research or any other, cause i can "work" with other tip of cells if there will be tests and interest for it..
 
Pavel_do, while it seems nice that you think "cancer cells more important" it does not bring you any closer to the JREF Prize without academic support, a proper application and two controlled tests.

You know the path. Travel it.



For the record: I have seen the dance you dance. And I stand by my prediction that you will not enter a controlled test of your claimed ability.
 
I take the liberty to restate part of what I said in post #88:

Can you provide a "document from an academic who has witnessed (your) powers or abilities"?
Such a document could be a simple affidavit, reading something like this: "I have witnessed the claimed power by (your name) in a demonstration and I can offer no rational explanation for it." (Signed by the academic, date, address, etc.)

Again, only the JREF can answer officially: challenge@randi.org
 
One thing that raises a red flag. I would expect that to go to a lab and do work you would need permission from someone who was a manager there. After all your lady friend does not own the equipment there.

You have a long way to go.
 
Pavel,

1. Who was in charge of those cancer cells, your friend or someone else?

2. If it was someone else, did they know that you treated those cells?

3. If your friend was in charge, do her superiors know you treated those cells?

4. Who funded this research, and do they know that you treated those cells?

It's hard to imagine any set of answers to these question that won't end up in some serious transgression of protocol, which is not a good way to discover knowledge in general. You're off to a bad start.
 
rjh01 said:
One thing that raises a red flag. I would expect that to go to a lab and do work you would need permission from someone who was a manager there. After all your lady friend does not own the equipment there.

You have a long way to go.
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My friend is allowed to bring people, she is not a dishwasher or cleaner there...
No she is not owe the equipment, and she done it out of her own time, grown cells, counted them etc..
 
Paul2 said:
Pavel,

1. Who was in charge of those cancer cells, your friend or someone else?


2. If it was someone else, did they know that you treated those cells?
3. If your friend was in charge, do her superiors know you treated those cells?

4. Who funded this research, and do they know that you treated those cells?

It's hard to imagine any set of answers to these question that won't end up in some serious transgression of protocol, which is not a good way to discover knowledge in general. You're off to a bad start.
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1. My friend and her colleague.
2. No, even my friend don't know what exactly i done with them accept that i done something. After my treatment cells was treated same was as all others.
3. YEs her Superior know that i done it, and know that she done it in her own time not during her work.
4. To grow "plate" of cells cost 1 dollar, to count them she done it for free..
AGAIN, why every body talk like i committed a crime..?? what is wrong with it..?? Now i regret that i said what i said, never thought it is something bad, to try and help some one. No one questioning funds and other things, labs etc when it about Auro, zener cards or I don't know claims that some one fly.. What do you expect?? me to say i can do such thing with cells, and never do it at first place,,?? i don't it and i said so... You have to understand if i would just come to any clinic with offer to treat cells, no one take it seriously, and you know that.. So my friend was able to do that for me, IN HER OWN FREE TIME.. there is no crime, if doctor in hes free time trying to cure someone or i don't know helping some one out of own intentions...I see nothing wrong with that...
Any way, i sent email to officials of JREF asking if it can be a claim, from there answer I'll take it.. If they say yes, i will find a clinic or a medical center that would agree to support me in this to make a proper tests, with official reports and records, and when it will be all done , and if JREF will accept it all the prize money will go to that Clinic or medical center or what ever. IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ANY CENTER LIKE THAT AND CAN SUGGEST ME OR GIVE ME CONTACT DETAILS INSTEAD OF ACCUSING ME, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL, CAUSE AS I SAID I THINK CANCER IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN ALL THIS CLAIMS HERE THAT IN THE END OF THE DAY USELESS, I CAN SHOW I CAN GUESS ZENER CARDS, SO WHAT? WHAT DOES IT CHANGE?? WHAT? OR SOME ONE CAN READ MIND.. SO WHAT?? BUT IF OUT OF WHAT I CAN DO SOME ONE LIFE CAN BE SAVED THAT WHAT IS MATTERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORK, MAYBE THERE IS SOME SPECIAL RAY APPEARS OUT OF MY HANDS, OR WHEN I "PRAY" AND THAT CAN BE SOME HOW RECORDED OR REPEATED OR SOMETHING, AND THAN WITH THAT CAN BE USED TO FIGHT CANCER...
till there answer i think it is useless, to explain anything more, cause all you do it just jumping on me as on a criminal..i can not understand that to be honest.
Good luck to every body. If you have any suggestion about what do i do with such "gift" please sent me a message in private.
 
pavel_do said:
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I CAN SHOW I CAN GUESS ZENER CARDS, SO WHAT?
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Prove it, pavel_do.

You will get 1,000,000 USD if you perform to the success criteria given in the Achau Nguyen protocol.

Then you could fund a lot of cancer research.
 
PavelDo, I apologize for jumping the gun, and I think I now understand. This was an informal, private experiment that you and your friend did, not as part of her official duties at her institution, is that right?
 
pavel_do said:
1. My friend and her colleague.
2. No, even my friend don't know what exactly i done with them accept that i done something. After my treatment cells was treated same was as all others.
3. YEs her Superior know that i done it, and know that she done it in her own time not during her work.
4. To grow "plate" of cells cost 1 dollar, to count them she done it for free..
AGAIN, why every body talk like i committed a crime..?? what is wrong with it..?? Now i regret that i said what i said, never thought it is something bad, to try and help some one. No one questioning funds and other things, labs etc when it about Auro, zener cards or I don't know claims that some one fly.. What do you expect?? me to say i can do such thing with cells, and never do it at first place,,?? i don't it and i said so... You have to understand if i would just come to any clinic with offer to treat cells, no one take it seriously, and you know that.. So my friend was able to do that for me, IN HER OWN FREE TIME.. there is no crime, if doctor in hes free time trying to cure someone or i don't know helping some one out of own intentions...I see nothing wrong with that...
Any way, i sent email to officials of JREF asking if it can be a claim, from there answer I'll take it.. If they say yes, i will find a clinic or a medical center that would agree to support me in this to make a proper tests, with official reports and records, and when it will be all done , and if JREF will accept it all the prize money will go to that Clinic or medical center or what ever. IF ANY OF YOU KNOW ANY CENTER LIKE THAT AND CAN SUGGEST ME OR GIVE ME CONTACT DETAILS INSTEAD OF ACCUSING ME, I WOULD BE GRATEFUL, CAUSE AS I SAID I THINK CANCER IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN ALL THIS CLAIMS HERE THAT IN THE END OF THE DAY USELESS, I CAN SHOW I CAN GUESS ZENER CARDS, SO WHAT? WHAT DOES IT CHANGE?? WHAT? OR SOME ONE CAN READ MIND.. SO WHAT?? BUT IF OUT OF WHAT I CAN DO SOME ONE LIFE CAN BE SAVED THAT WHAT IS MATTERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORK, MAYBE THERE IS SOME SPECIAL RAY APPEARS OUT OF MY HANDS, OR WHEN I "PRAY" AND THAT CAN BE SOME HOW RECORDED OR REPEATED OR SOMETHING, AND THAN WITH THAT CAN BE USED TO FIGHT CANCER...
till there answer i think it is useless, to explain anything more, cause all you do it just jumping on me as on a criminal..i can not understand that to be honest.
Good luck to every body. If you have any suggestion about what do i do with such "gift" please sent me a message in private.
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1. QUIT YELLING!
2. Why do we have to find you a medical center, when you already have one you've already worked with before? Are you not welcome there?
 
finaly arrived..

Paul2 said:
PavelDo, I apologize for jumping the gun, and I think I now understand. This was an informal, private experiment that you and your friend did, not as part of her official duties at her institution, is that right?
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Exactly! To make it official its like ask a queen to land you Million and if you do so.. You have to be sure some one need it.... so i asked here first... Hallelujah! some one understood.
 
Czarcasm said:
1. QUIT YELLING!
2. Why do we have to find you a medical center, when you already have one you've already worked with before? Are you not welcome there?
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1. I just tried to make my self as clear as possible..
2. You don’t have to.. I just told that as a reply to all the jumping at me as on criminal.. It is not that easy to step in any medical center or research centre and offer them such things.. in 90% cases no one even will listen to you and you know that.. So i said if any one know any..?? That why lady done this experiment out of her own time and wile, informal tests.. And the centre where it was done NOt interested in such kind of experiments and test.. Unfortunately, not many would be interested.. and you know why?? cause most of them there aim is to make as much money as possible from you before you die.. that the idea.. Who would care to make tests with the guy, who lets say can make tumor less?? so what?? no pills can be produced out of it to make profit from, no use.. Cancer treatment costs hundred of thousands dollars.. and in general sad thing not cares much how many people survive but care how much money was done out of it.. I think you all got my point.. and no need to say something more.. to avoid more jumping on me as if I done horrible crime..
 
pavel_do said:
1. I just tried to make my self as clear as possible..
2. You don’t have to.. I just told that as a reply to all the jumping at me as on criminal.. It is not that easy to step in any medical center or research centre and offer them such things.. in 90% cases no one even will listen to you and you know that.. So i said if any one know any..?? That why lady done this experiment out of her own time and wile, informal tests.. And the centre where it was done NOt interested in such kind of experiments and test.. Unfortunately, not many would be interested.. and you know why?? cause most of them there aim is to make as much money as possible from you before you die.. that the idea.. Who would care to make tests with the guy, who lets say can make tumor less?? so what?? no pills can be produced out of it to make profit from, no use.. Cancer treatment costs hundred of thousands dollars.. and in general sad thing not cares much how many people survive but care how much money was done out of it.. I think you all got my point.. and no need to say something more.. to avoid more jumping on me as if I done horrible crime..
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My dear self-indulgent, jumped-on-as-on-a-criminal, exclusively talking pavel_do:

1. You repeatedly claimed you could prove telepathy using Zener cards.
2. You found the Achau Nguyen protocol fair - which tested a similar claim.
3. You claimed to have the necessary media presence.

Why aren't you setting a test date yet with the JREF?
Why aren't you making room on your bank account for the sizable income derived from you claimed ability?
Why aren't you deciding which cancer research programme you want to donate the 90% of the prize money?

Of course, these are all rhetorical questions. We know the answers.
 
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GzuzKryzt said:
My dear self-indulgent, jumped-on-as-on-a-criminal, exclusively talking pavel_do:

1. You repeatedly claimed you could prove telepathy using Zener cards.
2. You found the Achau Nguyen protocol fair - which tested a similar claim.
3. You claimed to have the necessary media presence.

Why aren't you setting a test date yet with the JREF?
Why aren't you making room on your bank account for the sizable income derived from you claimed ability?
Why aren't you deciding which cancer research programme you want to donate the 90% of the prize money?

Of course, these are all rhetorical questions. We know the answers.
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GOOD MORNING:) What a lovely day seem like..:)

1.I still DO. and I will prove.
2. Yes i am finding it fair, just need a bit of correction for my case.
3. I do have media presence and JREF found it acceptable.

The date will be set after I sent finally again my claim to JREF and will get a reply from them as you know the rules. ( this time it will be easier as i am in US myself no need to send it from London). I just need to get a Academical witnessing at the moment to complete application,. but as i said before, waiting fro a reply, will get it as soon as. The previous one, got lost in post when i sent first application.
 
You guys want to start the betting?
I'll go first. $20 he doesn't apply for any number of reasons (lost application, not meeting the JREF deadline for the challenge, evaporation into thin air, etc.).
 
You should disqualify Pavel Do from taking you up on your bet. ; )
 
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