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Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

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happy easter

It has been six days since he last made a post here. Has he fled? At least for a time.

As for being some sort of fake, yes. If he had any real ability he would have already won the prize.

Thanks for insults to Arkhayik...

I wasn't writing anything, because i am waiting for reply from the guys who would be an academic witnesses that i need for claim.
All my writing is just bombarded.. By the way if any one know any body in North Carolina who would find time to see me and what i can do, i would appreciate. I send some letters to the people i was in touch at Charlotte University but no reply still, probably due to Spring brake that was finished some time ago and now it is Easter.. I also contacted research group from Duke Rhine Research Center. Waiting for reply.
Happy Easter everybody.
regards,
pavel
 
Thanks for insults to Arkhayik...

I wasn't writing anything, because i am waiting for reply from the guys who would be an academic witnesses that i need for claim.
All my writing is just bombarded.. By the way if any one know any body in North Carolina who would find time to see me and what i can do, i would appreciate. I send some letters to the people i was in touch at Charlotte University but no reply still, probably due to Spring brake that was finished some time ago and now it is Easter.. I also contacted research group from Duke Rhine Research Center. Waiting for reply.
Happy Easter everybody.
regards,
pavel

Would you post the letter(s) you sent to the JREF in this thread, pavel_do? Perhaps we could explain to you why you have not had a reply.
 
Would you post the letter(s) you sent to the JREF in this thread, pavel_do? Perhaps we could explain to you why you have not had a reply.

here is the letter to JREF that i got no reply for.

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is Pavel, I wrote you before regarding "Zenner card" claime.

I have another question.
would it be considered as a claim for JREF, that i can influence cells, to be short here is a small description of what was done,

DU145 and LNCaP cell lines are one of the most studied human epithelial prostate cancer cell line that have been established from a brain metastases and lymph node metastasis of prostate cancer, respectively and are highly aggressive. Du145 or LNCaP cell were plated at 1x104 cells per 35mm dishes in triplicate for each treatment. Cells were grown (37ºC,5% CO2) for 48hr and then treatment has been applied. After treatment cells were placed back in the incubator and grown until either of the treatments reached about 90% confluence and counted using trypan blue exclusion growth assay.

For DU145 cells "Bad" treatment induced growth by 36% in comparison with control. This difference was statistically significant (for two-tailed t-test, p=0.0082). "Good" treatment has no effect on growth of the DU145 cells. For LNCaP cells both treatments "good" and "bad" reduced number of viable cells, by 28% (p=0.01) and 31% (p=0.01), respectively.

Would it be accepted for a claim?? if so i will make all necessary report from medical center and other that will be needed including academic witnessing

regards,
Pavel
 
Thanks for insults to Arkhayik...

No worries Pavel-Doh! You started it by first insulting my intelligence (little tho' there may be)...;)

With respect to your letter, I see a couple of possibilities as to why no one has responded to your letter:

1. You haven't made a claim to be able to do x using y paranormal abilities.

2. You haven't proposed a test protocol to which they can respond.


It seems to me you (un/intentionally) miss the whole point of this exercise. Nobody really cares about your little notes "can I do this for the prize?" We make no claims on your behalf. You're the one who says you have Paranormal abilities... So, what are they, and how do you propose we test for it?

What is sought is a simple claim "I can do x with y paranormal ability" and include a proposed protocol to test your "claim". Everything else you forward is useless noise, obfuscating the fact that you don't know what you can('t) do, and whether it is paranormal... So in point of fact you're wasting everyone's time.



Cheers,

ArkHayik?
 
No worries Pavel-Doh! You started it by first insulting my intelligence (little tho' there may be)...;)

With respect to your letter, I see a couple of possibilities as to why no one has responded to your letter:


I don't remember the fact that i ever insulted any one on this trad..i reread all tread and can not find any anything that would look like me insulting your intelligence..

Regarding me not claiming in the letter and just asking if it can be a claim.. My first letter to JREF was the same.. I wasn't saying I claim I CAN DO THIS AND THAT can it be a claim.. i said in same way.. If i perform this can it be a claim. And I did got the reply..
Any way.. I see no point to be insulted more that i am every time i write.. It is normal to criticize but not to insult anyone, i do spelling mistakes..or have my own way to express my self in writing.. i see nothing wrong with it..
still.. as soon as i get academic witnessing so i will have all that i need to make a claim. as the rest that necessary for it, i have..
As soon as I have it, I will write about it on the tread. Or any other movements about my claim..
Thank you very much everybody for suggestions, skepticism and feed-backs.. I`ll keep you posted. I will ignore insults and any messages like the one before, to shut up and the others..
Will keep you posted about any movements and developments with my claim.
regards,
Pavel
 
here is the letter to JREF that i got no reply for.

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is Pavel, I wrote you before regarding "Zenner card" claime.

I have another question.
would it be considered as a claim for JREF, that i can influence cells, to be short here is a small description of what was done,

DU145 and LNCaP cell lines are one of the most studied human epithelial prostate cancer cell line that have been established from a brain metastases and lymph node metastasis of prostate cancer, respectively and are highly aggressive. Du145 or LNCaP cell were plated at 1x104 cells per 35mm dishes in triplicate for each treatment. Cells were grown (37ºC,5% CO2) for 48hr and then treatment has been applied. After treatment cells were placed back in the incubator and grown until either of the treatments reached about 90% confluence and counted using trypan blue exclusion growth assay.

For DU145 cells "Bad" treatment induced growth by 36% in comparison with control. This difference was statistically significant (for two-tailed t-test, p=0.0082). "Good" treatment has no effect on growth of the DU145 cells. For LNCaP cells both treatments "good" and "bad" reduced number of viable cells, by 28% (p=0.01) and 31% (p=0.01), respectively.

Would it be accepted for a claim?? if so i will make all necessary report from medical center and other that will be needed including academic witnessing

regards,
Pavel

Thanks for that.

But I was thinking more of a scanned version of your letter with an actual date and address. You should of course black out your personal information.

Could you also provide the letter concerning "Zenner card", pavel_do?
 
Thanks for that.

But I was thinking more of a scanned version of your letter with an actual date and address. You should of course black out your personal information.

Could you also provide the letter concerning "Zenner card", pavel_do?


I can, but i dont have actual letter, as it was all done by emails..
here is the copy of email about zenner cards ( 1 st email)

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Pavel <pavel_do@yahoo.com>
To: challenge@randi.org
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:00:59 PM
Subject: question


Good afternoon,
I have a question.. is that would be good enough claim to..
Perform test with Zener cards, 25 in deck 5 different symbols every symbol assigned to a color on the card.. so its 25 Zener cards with 5 different symbols and colors. lets say.. I am wearing the mask that cover my eyes and ear plugs to eliminate sounds..and destruction. The person (any one) shuffle the cards and give them 1 by one to a friend of mine who looking at the card and try to "transmit" it to me.. so i am naming the card that is his hand. one by one.. we siting on 1 table opposite each other.. there will be no any physical contact like holding hands or something.. as i said..ill be with covered eyes and using ear plugs.. beside that i have my a bit different cards there is one more thing "my person" ( friend of my) will be holding cards that i am going to "guess" who ever like it can pull it.. randomly or what ever.and than pass it to my friend.. than he will be holding it and ill be "seeing" what card does he hold.. some one will say why some one that should be etc... ill tell you why.. to be honest first of all ill feel my self more comfortable and confidant in this way as it will be support for me form the person i trust.. another thing I am a clairvoyant..but still dot know if i am a telepath in a way and that is the way i "pick up" colors... so i would prefer a person i know and trust, to hold card and see it, to think about what he see and to transmit me a "picture".. obviously i can be sure that the person who i know by looking at red card with circle will be think circle and imagining red card..NOT trying to confuse me or "double-chack".. How much would it be self evident and how many times would be enough to perform it??
regards,
pavel


Beside that, I am not sure if I get reply from JREF on my next questions they busy enough i guess., So i will ask it here ot trad and if any one can answer it...
I`v seen the testing of Rosemary Hunter that if dates are correct it happened in November 2007, lady claimed to be able to make any one Urinate... well as far as i know it happened already after rules has changed.. I am just interested if this lady had media coverage about her being able make any one Urinate and also an academic witnessing s that she presented to JREF, cause for example I cant find academic that easy and if she could find one to perform Urinating.. maybe i should look for in same place..:) or maybe there is rules exceptions, like if I come directly to Florida and show my "cards" there???
 
I can, but i dont have actual letter, as it was all done by emails..
here is the copy of email about zenner cards ( 1 st email)

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Pavel <pavel_do@yahoo.com>
To: challenge@randi.org
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:00:59 PM
Subject: question


Good afternoon,
I have a question.. is that would be good enough claim to..
Perform test with Zener cards, 25 in deck 5 different symbols every symbol assigned to a color on the card.. so its 25 Zener cards with 5 different symbols and colors. lets say.. I am wearing the mask that cover my eyes and ear plugs to eliminate sounds..and destruction. The person (any one) shuffle the cards and give them 1 by one to a friend of mine who looking at the card and try to "transmit" it to me.. so i am naming the card that is his hand. one by one.. we siting on 1 table opposite each other.. there will be no any physical contact like holding hands or something.. as i said..ill be with covered eyes and using ear plugs.. beside that i have my a bit different cards there is one more thing "my person" ( friend of my) will be holding cards that i am going to "guess" who ever like it can pull it.. randomly or what ever.and than pass it to my friend.. than he will be holding it and ill be "seeing" what card does he hold.. some one will say why some one that should be etc... ill tell you why.. to be honest first of all ill feel my self more comfortable and confidant in this way as it will be support for me form the person i trust.. another thing I am a clairvoyant..but still dot know if i am a telepath in a way and that is the way i "pick up" colors... so i would prefer a person i know and trust, to hold card and see it, to think about what he see and to transmit me a "picture".. obviously i can be sure that the person who i know by looking at red card with circle will be think circle and imagining red card..NOT trying to confuse me or "double-chack".. How much would it be self evident and how many times would be enough to perform it??
regards,
pavel


Beside that, I am not sure if I get reply from JREF on my next questions they busy enough i guess., So i will ask it here ot trad and if any one can answer it...
I`v seen the testing of Rosemary Hunter that if dates are correct it happened in November 2007, lady claimed to be able to make any one Urinate... well as far as i know it happened already after rules has changed.. I am just interested if this lady had media coverage about her being able make any one Urinate and also an academic witnessing s that she presented to JREF, cause for example I cant find academic that easy and if she could find one to perform Urinating.. maybe i should look for in same place..:) or maybe there is rules exceptions, like if I come directly to Florida and show my "cards" there???

Pavel_do, please use your spell checker to avoid confusion. You do not have to write in bold because this is considered yelling at people - as you have already been told.



Do you realise that your method of communication - shooting a 14-line (according to my monitor) beast of bad grammar, worse spelling and super-duper incoherence - is probably the reason why the JREF did not respond?
Have you read the Million $ Challenge E-Mail Blog?

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to try to use proper English. If you can't, get help from someone who can. You do remember that you have a million reasons to do so, right?

And again, the questions you ask can officially only be answered here: Challenge@randi.org
 
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Pavel_do, please use your spell checker to avoid confusion. You do not have to write in bold because this is considered yelling at people - as you have already been told.



Do you realise that your method of communication - shooting a 14-line (according to my monitor) beast of bad grammar, worse spelling and super-duper incoherence - is probably the reason why the JREF did not respond?
Have you read the Million $ Challenge E-Mail Blog?

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to try to use proper English. If you can't, get help from someone who can. You do remember that you have a million reasons to do so, right?

And again, the questions you ask can officially only be answered here: Challenge@randi.org



Sorry I wanted to make my question narrow not bold, and when I realized it, it was too late I cant add it anymore...:(

Regarding the spell check.. the letter I quoted was copied as I sent it some time a go.. so, all mistakes there as they were originally.. sorry about that.

I am checking what I write at spell checker usually and correcting it according it… still some mistakes comes up as you all see, though when I insert text to re-check, it has not even one red alerting underline.. I will be more careful with it ones again.
 
The JREF did respond. Pavel's first e-mail was sent, as he says, August 12th. I responded on August 15th. He responded to that on the 15th as well, and then I responded again on the 18th. He responded on the 19th, I responded to that on the 20th.

All of this was through e-mail.

Looking through my e-mails further...

Pavel sent two e-mails the 24th of this month, and received two responses on the 25th.

It appears the only e-mail he sent that was not responded to was on the 10th of this month, and it was because the e-mail contained claim and protocol information, and he had already been advised to submit that information with the application, and not via e-mail.

In fact, since apparently I'm being cross-examined on JREF work, here is the full text of the e-mail which advised him not to send further protocol information to challenge@randi.org:

Pavel,

Thank you for your continued interest.

I have run your query by other JREF representatives, and they agree that it would not be possible to conduct the test with your friend in the same room as you.

Your article does count as a media presence. Please print it out and include it with your application information when you apply.

The affidavit from an academic should be someone with a background in logic and critical thinking who is not previously known to you.

Any further protocol negotiations will have to wait until you have actually applied.

Thank you again for your interest, and I look forward to working with you in the future.

-- JREF Challenge Desk

(Bolding mine)
 
The JREF did respond. Pavel's first e-mail was sent, as he says, August 12th. I responded on August 15th. He responded to that on the 15th as well, and then I responded again on the 18th. He responded on the 19th, I responded to that on the 20th.

All of this was through e-mail.

Looking through my e-mails further...

Pavel sent two e-mails the 24th of this month, and received two responses on the 25th.

It appears the only e-mail he sent that was not responded to was on the 10th of this month, and it was because the e-mail contained claim and protocol information, and he had already been advised to submit that information with the application, and not via e-mail.

In fact, since apparently I'm being cross-examined on JREF work, here is the full text of the e-mail which advised him not to send further protocol information to challenge@randi.org:



(Bolding mine)

It all is, I got all answers, even for my last emails. So and I answered each email from the JREF. Only one regarding the Cancer cells, wasnt answered.
As I wrote before, now I need to arrange Academic witnessing to submit the claim.
I will make a video, one of this days with my “Cards” (I need to borrow video camera) and I will post it.
 
It all is, I got all answers, even for my last emails. So and I answered each email from the JREF. Only one regarding the Cancer cells, wasnt answered.
As I wrote before, now I need to arrange Academic witnessing to submit the claim.
I will make a video, one of this days with my “Cards” (I need to borrow video camera) and I will post it.

As you do not currently have an application submitted under the previous rules, I expect you also plan to garner further media coverage of whatever it is you plan to demonstrate as well?
 
In fact, since apparently I'm being cross-examined on JREF work, here is the full text of the e-mail which advised him not to send further protocol information to challenge@randi.org

Perhaps I mis-read the above posts, but I don't believe anyone (other than perhaps Pavel) is questioning JREF's handleing of communication. But thanks for making it blatantly obvious that Pavel is blowing some more smoke.

I think it is rather clear that Pavel either intentionally or unintentially continues to not understand the whole process and the reason for it....
 
Perhaps I mis-read the above posts, but I don't believe anyone (other than perhaps Pavel) is questioning JREF's handleing of communication. But thanks for making it blatantly obvious that Pavel is blowing some more smoke.

I think it is rather clear that Pavel either intentionally or unintentially continues to not understand the whole process and the reason for it....

I am not questioning anything; I have just said that did not receive an answer from JREF for my email. I do understand I need submit claim with all necessary papers, and I am asking questions to make it according all rules and requirements, not to get it back after I sent as not completed.. As I said before, I am not kin of going to solicitor a few times for “contracts” just because it has to be redone… Like I asked what is the minimum cards would be evident enough for JREF, and got answer 1:1000 odds… so I know, as I was saying I would rather claim what would be significant enough for JREF, like my “colleague” with telepathy claimed he guess 20 out of 20 that in my opinion is too self-confident... So I prefer to claim I guess for example 3 photo out of 30 (as it bit odds) than I do run of 25 cards with 5 each symbol.. I would rather spend 15 minutes (5 min for each card-photo), than I will be rushed to a limit of 2 min for each card as 25 cards will take an hour.. So, I just want to make it as simple as possible as I said many times and JREF do not mind it supposable..
 
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If you want to be taken seriously, you have to try to use proper English. If you can't, get help from someone who can. You do remember that you have a million reasons to do so, right?


Just now realized one of the reasons for my bad spelling, even though I check it.. I usually write it in Microsoft word first, and It is itself correct some words while I type it. And the words often completely with different mining from the original… but since it is not underlined with red, I just copy it and post it… I know it is not excuse.. just was wondering myself why with spell check it still bad..:)
 
As you do not currently have an application submitted under the previous rules, I expect you also plan to garner further media coverage of whatever it is you plan to demonstrate as well?
No the video, I will do just to show what I do.. I understand it will be bombarded that it all set up etc… I have media coverage already that is enough for JREF, they said it article does count as a media presence. I will make a video, because I hope some one will be able to “help” me and suggest with protocol, and claim description, as in my application I have to submit description of my claim, the conditions required to perform it, and the accuracy with which you can perform it. (as I said I prefer to make it ones and sent than re do it again and again). I am still trying to decide my final claim if it will be zenner cards (5x 5 each symbols) that I will "guess" or the 25 photos with 25 different pictures-photos..
Cause if it will be for example 30 different photos (instead of 25 cards with 5 repeated symbols) with things like for example: glass, house, bird, candle etc. They all will be separated in and mixed up, and then by 1 envelope will be drown randomly out for example 3 envelopes and I will name photo that is inside the envelope before it will be opened and compared. It can be done 2 ways... for example, 1 by one envelope will be drown out and I will name photos inside before they will be opened and compared.. Or for example only 5 will be drown out, and I will name what photo was drown before they opened and compared.
Cause as I said many time, I would prefer to make it as simple as possible, let say 3 envelopes to b drown out of 30 and i have to name photos that was drown out. For example if only 3 envelopes will be drown out of 30 and I’ll name correct all 3 the chance for it (odds) as 1 in 4.060 if I am not mistaken ( my mathematic not good, I calculated It here http://www.webmath.com/lottery.html )
I would like to make it as simple as possible… that would be just self-evident. Like 3 out of 30 that is, if calculations is correct is 1 in 1 in 4.060 and the minimum odds for JREF is 1 to 1.000. So 4.060 is bits all necessary odds. Same time as I already said in previous answer… I prefer to claim I guess for example 3 photo out of 30 (as it bit odds) than I do run of 25 cards with 5 each symbol.. I would rather spend 15 minutes (5 min for each card-photo), than I will be rushed to a limit of 2 min for each card as 25 cards will take an hour.. So, I just want to make it as simple as possible as I said many times and JREF do not mind it supposable…
 
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No the video, I will do just to show what I do.. I understand it will be bombarded that it all set up etc… I have media coverage already that is enough for JREF, they said it article does count as a media presence. I will make a video, because I hope some one will be able to “help” me and suggest with protocol, and claim description, as in my application I have to submit description of my claim, the conditions required to perform it, and the accuracy with which you can perform it. (as I said I prefer to make it ones and sent than re do it again and again). I am still trying to decide my final claim if it will be zenner cards (5x 5 each symbols) that I will "guess" or the 25 photos with 25 different pictures-photos..
Cause if it will be for example 30 different photos (instead of 25 cards with 5 repeated symbols) with things like for example: glass, house, bird, candle etc. They all will be separated in and mixed up, and then by 1 envelope will be drown randomly out for example 3 envelopes and I will name photo that is inside the envelope before it will be opened and compared. It can be done 2 ways... for example, 1 by one envelope will be drown out and I will name photos inside before they will be opened and compared.. Or for example only 5 will be drown out, and I will name what photo was drown before they opened and compared.
Cause as I said many time, I would prefer to make it as simple as possible, let say 3 envelopes to b drown out of 30 and i have to name photos that was drown out. For example if only 3 envelopes will be drown out of 30 and I’ll name correct all 3 the chance for it (odds) as 1 in 4.060 if I am not mistaken ( my mathematic not good, I calculated It here http://www.webmath.com/lottery.html )
I would like to make it as simple as possible… that would be just self-evident. Like 3 out of 30 that is, if calculations is correct is 1 in 1 in 4.060 and the minimum odds for JREF is 1 to 1.000. So 4.060 is bits all necessary odds. Same time as I already said in previous answer… I prefer to claim I guess for example 3 photo out of 30 (as it bit odds) than I do run of 25 cards with 5 each symbol.. I would rather spend 15 minutes (5 min for each card-photo), than I will be rushed to a limit of 2 min for each card as 25 cards will take an hour.. So, I just want to make it as simple as possible as I said many times and JREF do not mind it supposable…

Your spelling has definitely improved, pavel_do.
However, to avoid any misunderstanding in the very tricky process of handing in a test proposal or negotiating a protocol, you have to make sure your spelling is near-flawless.
The point is: You don't want to fail the Challenge because of a misunderstanding in communication. If you have difficulties with spelling, get someone to type for you and make sure he wrote what you told him to.


The video does not serve any purpose. Ditch it.


My math skills are not the best but I think your sample size in three out of 30 would be too low.
If you could increase the sample size to five and make it less pictures to choose from, you should be in the green.

Could someone calculate that for us please? Five draws out of 20 different pics with four having to be correct. Would that suffice for a preliminary test?


And obviously, pavel_do: You need to apply properly first and have your application accepted. Otherwise, this is just useless talk and only promotion for your still unproven claims.
 
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Your spelling has definitely improved, pavel_do.
However, to avoid any misunderstanding in the very tricky process of handing in a test proposal or negotiating a protocol, you have to make sure your spelling is near-flawless.
The point is: You don't want to fail the Challenge because of a misunderstanding in communication. If you have difficulties with spelling, get someone to type for you and make sure he wrote what you told him to.


The video does not serve any purpose. Ditch it.


My math skills are not the best but I think your sample size in three out of 30 would be too low.
If you could increase the sample size to five and make it less pictures to choose from, you should be in the green.

Could someone calculate that for us please? Five draws out of 20 different pics with four having to be correct. Would that suffice for a preliminary test?


And obviously, pavel_do: You need to apply properly first and have your application accepted. Otherwise, this is just useless talk and only promotion for your still unproven claims.


Well seems like no one want to calculate it… every body just jumping at me.
If the web site is correct than, 4 out of 20 is 1 to 4.845 Good enough seem like cause JREF need 1:1000 .. Just don’t know how 5th card effect odds.. Cause it is 5 drawn out of 20.. . I would take it as base for claim if it ok for JREF.
 
Well seems like no one want to calculate it… every body just jumping at me.
If the web site is correct than, 4 out of 20 is 1 to 4.845 Good enough seem like cause JREF need 1:1000 .. Just don’t know how 5th card effect odds.. Cause it is 5 drawn out of 20.. . I would take it as base for claim if it ok for JREF.

Do you have a time frame for handing in your application, pavel_do?
 
Do you have a time frame for handing in your application, pavel_do?

I am planning to send it finally in May, the main thing I need still to submit an academic witnessing to my application, that here more difficult seem like than in UK. I sent a few letters to different people. I will copy 2 answers for my letter, about academic witnessing..

I'm sorry but we cannot provide that type of service, Also, I do not want to have any involvement at all in James Randi's challenge as it has such a bad reputation among the serious scientists in our field, and we don't want to have our name attached for fear of how they might misuse this. You will discover you are wasting your time, but it will be good to find out for yourself rather than just take others word for it.
I wish you well with your efforts. Sorry we cannot be of any further help,


The JREF offer that you mention has not been found to be at all reliable by all accounts in the decades that it has been offered, and you will not find any one in the parapsychological research world who gives any credence to this James Randi's offer, sorry to say.
I wish you well in your efforts, however

As you can see people not really want to put there name under something that even if it is a true, that can be misinterpreted and than some one we’ll have a chance to laugh on it…
That can affect there reputation at work place in the end of the day…
Still wonder that my colleague, who claimed to make any one to urinate, could find it that easy… I suppose it was checked up by JREF the academics them self was contacted, and to be honest if it was me the JREF I would ask, did she made you (academic) urinate personally or she got some one with her who urinated in front of you..:)

Any way, 2 people with PhD degree, answered positive, they do not mind to meet and spare half an hour with me to see what I can do and write an academic witnessing, the only thing is, they are available only in the beginning of May, as April is very busy with study, exams and other things related to work.

So hopefully in May I will be able to submit my application. Same time I will have one more month to sort out claim, and practice more.
 
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