Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

[GzuzKryzt]

Pavel has granted me permission to post the PM he sent me:

Hi there,

I am sorry I don’t know your name. (Even though as a psychic clairvoyant I should know it just like that) =)

This is Pavel,
I have decided to write you a letter, instead of post on tread, I am not sure how you take it… Basically I would like to ask you for help if you do not mind. I really have no one to help me out with all this stuff, I know you don’t really believe in my powers, but still I want to ask you for help.
To help me out with protocol and preparation of it, in a sense that to tell me what you think and what is your opinion about this or that…

Well this coming week I have a meeting with one of the guys who agreed to make an affidavit that I need, we will discuss time and date when I will show him what I do. So I will have last necessary papers that I need to submit my claim to JREF.

So for now I have decided that I will claim to JREF that I can see “predict” what photo is in side the closed envelope, just by holding it in my hands and concentrating ( If it will be considered as a paranormal claim). I am planning to come with my set of 20 (unless I decide to raise number of photos) But let say it will be 20 photos, that will be completely different from each other, like horse, gun, statue of liberty, Ship, human etc.. As I said in tread, I will clear all possible objects from the photo, to make it blank 1 thing only, that will be better for me and same time will illuminate any disputes. So I will claim that, out of 20 photos will be drown 4, and I will describe minimum 3 out of 4 drown out of 20. Not sure, how does 4th photo counts but if that would be 3 out of 20 only and I will be right the chance for that is 1:1.400 that over 1.000 that JREF expect to bit for the first test. So, as I would expect it to be is:
1. I come 30-40 min minimum before the test to the place where it will be handled (as I need to get used to place a bit to be calmer).
2. 20 photos that was agreed before will be taken to other room, and in presence of my friend will be placed in double envelopes and shuffled. Than 4, will be drown and taken to the room and passed to me for test. I will hold each envelope in my hands up to 5 min each, and than will name what photos are in the envelopes. (Possibly, I will make a drawings of the symbols that I will see during the session, and will take a few minutes to figure out what inside before I will make finale answer).

That how I see the test. I am telling It to you, as I think that would help you to understand my point and will help to help me to make a protocol or to feet any existing one such as Ancou for example. My eyes will be tightly covered to illuminate light I will cover my ears with plugs to illuminate as much sound as possible, still will require silents in the room. The envelopes will be handled to me when my eyes will be already closed. Although I will need 10-15 min to relax and concentrate, with my eyes already covered and ears. So I will be sitting and when I am ready, the envelopes will be passed to me. 20 photos will be known to me before, that will help me in fact, as I DON’T SEE exact photo as I said already, when I hold envelope in my hand I see some kind of reflection but not exact photo, so knowing the symbols will make it easier to figure out what is inside and name exact photo. I don’t think that if I will know photos before, make my claim in any ways not sutable. As as far as I know people do not know what photo in side the envelope by just holding it in the hands. I think you understand what I mean. JREF ask for 1 to 1000 odds to be beaten, so by guessing 3 out of 20 different photos will beat odds 1 to 1.400.
So as I suppose that would be evident enough.

What do you think about it? Can it be any way reasonable for performing this way?

For the test I think for now will define 2 main conditions salients and in the room where it will be performed should be NO any photos or pictures on the walls or anywhere elts ( as that would affect me possible, like when I see photos they in a way get “printed” in my mind and then can affect visions during the test).
That is main for now. As I said, I will need help in protocol, and as I see you have experience and know enough to help me out, if you don’t mind. As from your words it take allot of time, so the sooner I make it the better for me, so the actual test will take place.

Regards,
Pavel

In short, the main thing with this procedure is: Who handles the envelopes. Because it can in no way be you.

However, I do not want to invest more time with hammering out a protocol before your application has been accepted, Pavel.

The simple reason being: There were many would-be applicants before you who did talk an awful lot but never got around to even submit an application - and that was before the changes to the rules when everything you had to do was notarize and send your application. We spent a lot of time developing protocols and often enough, they simply disappeared.

You do seem close, though. Complete the academic support and you are good to go.

 

[pavel_do]

Pavel has granted me permission to post the PM he sent me:



In short, the main thing with this procedure is: Who handles the envelopes. Because it can in no way be you.

However, I do not want to invest more time with hammering out a protocol before your application has been accepted, Pavel.

The simple reason being: There were many would-be applicants before you who did talk an awful lot but never got around to even submit an application - and that was before the changes to the rules when everything you had to do was notarize and send your application. We spent a lot of time developing protocols and often enough, they simply disappeared.

You do seem close, though. Complete the academic support and you are good to go.

1. I don’t want touch envelopes at the day of testing or see photos any times, BUT when envelopes will be drown and the drown ones would be passed to me. As I said I prefer already be with my eyes covered while the envelopes shuffled and chosen. The envelopes and photos will be handeled to the JREF representative before test obviously so they can check it or what ever. But as I said, I want my friend and some one else beside JREF people to be present when the photos will be shuffled and placed in the envelopes. The envelopes can be purchased by me or anybody else as long as they normal, or I can get new pack that is sealed. Normal, I mean usual post paper envelopes as the one I train with.

2. As soon as I am done with academic witnessing I will let you know.

3. The photos can be my or JREF can print new ones from the files that I will pass to them, as the photo should be the same that I train with.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

1. I don’t want touch envelopes at the day of testing or see photos any times,...
...
But as I said, I want my friend and some one else beside JREF people to be present when the photos will be shuffled and placed in the envelopes. ...

This is exactly the crucial part in a double blind test: If your friend is witnessing the shuffling and/or placing of the photos, you can not see your friend during the test. Neither will you or your friend have access to the envelopes or photos before the test.

Also, you can - obviously - not be a part of the shuffling and placing. You would at least need three people to carry out a proper double blind test: One shuffler, one bringing the envelopes to you, one collecting the envelopes/noting the results.

And that is just of the top of my head. I hope you will achieve academic support because I am hungry for a test.

 

[pavel_do]

This is exactly the crucial part in a double blind test: If your friend is witnessing the shuffling and/or placing of the photos, you can not see your friend during the test. Neither will you or your friend have access to the envelopes or photos before the test.

Also, you can - obviously - not be a part of the shuffling and placing. You would at least need three people to carry out a proper double blind test: One shuffler, one bringing the envelopes to you, one collecting the envelopes/noting the results.

And that is just of the top of my head. I hope you will achieve academic support because I am hungry for a test.

Ok. THANK YOU.

We will discuss it all when I am done with academic support.

 

[Crundy]

Can I make a suggestion? What about if you use photos as you wanted to, and give each a number (marked on the photo if necessary) and you have a list of the numbers against a description of the photo, e.g.

1 = Baby holding a yellow ball
2 = Cows grazing on a field
etc.

You are allowed to look at the photos before the test, and you have the list in front of you, so when you do start to get characteristics of the photo (which may be vague) like "Green and sunny, pastures", you can look at the list in front of you and say "That's photo number 2". This way YOU are the one matching up your visions to the exact photo before the results are revealed. Thus you can prove your accuracy without the risk of being criticized for being vague about what you see. Either you get the right photo number or you don't.

 

[pavel_do]

thank you

Can I make a suggestion? What about if you use photos as you wanted to, and give each a number (marked on the photo if necessary) and you have a list of the numbers against a description of the photo, e.g.

1 = Baby holding a yellow ball
2 = Cows grazing on a field
etc.

You are allowed to look at the photos before the test, and you have the list in front of you, so when you do start to get characteristics of the photo (which may be vague) like "Green and sunny, pastures", you can look at the list in front of you and say "That's photo number 2". This way YOU are the one matching up your visions to the exact photo before the results are revealed. Thus you can prove your accuracy without the risk of being criticized for being vague about what you see. Either you get the right photo number or you don't.

Thank you very much, I thought about it, I will have a list of all photos so If I am not very sure, like I did see only some signs that are vague. That will help, I cant mark photos with numbers as part of this numbers can influence vision when I hold it, but what I was thinking about it is to have a sheet of small prints.( 1 photo with all 20 on it). That will help to figure out better and to avoid as you saying the risk of being criticized for being vague about what I see. As I know it is maybe something that no one going to believe but even though I know all 20 photos, but at the time when I hold them I don’t remember all 20 exactly, and also can’t go through all of them in my mind to match what I see. So I was thinking to look at the sheet and compare before I give exact answer what is what on the photo. Same time at the moment trying to change some photos in the set, to avoid any possible replications. Like I have scissors one of the photos, and during the testing my self, I did see 2 round circles and lines attached to them and crossed. Though I did not see exactly scissors still named it as it is a scissors, but on the photo was shoe and on it there is part where is shoe laces holes with laces through it, and it does look like scissors in a way as laces crossed... but as I don’t know such details on each photo, so I got confused and named it as a scissors. Still thank you very much for your suggestion. I appreciate.

 

[steenkh]

Like I have scissors one of the photos, and during the testing my self, I did see 2 round circles and lines attached to them and crossed.

This is very encouraging. You will be amazed how few applicants ever test themselves.

 

[Crundy]

Thank you very much, I thought about it, I will have a list of all photos so If I am not very sure, like I did see only some signs that are vague. That will help, I cant mark photos with numbers as part of this numbers can influence vision when I hold it, but what I was thinking about it is to have a sheet of small prints.( 1 photo with all 20 on it). That will help to figure out better and to avoid as you saying the risk of being criticized for being vague about what I see. As I know it is maybe something that no one going to believe but even though I know all 20 photos, but at the time when I hold them I don’t remember all 20 exactly, and also can’t go through all of them in my mind to match what I see. So I was thinking to look at the sheet and compare before I give exact answer what is what on the photo. Same time at the moment trying to change some photos in the set, to avoid any possible replications. Like I have scissors one of the photos, and during the testing my self, I did see 2 round circles and lines attached to them and crossed. Though I did not see exactly scissors still named it as it is a scissors, but on the photo was shoe and on it there is part where is shoe laces holes with laces through it, and it does look like scissors in a way as laces crossed... but as I don’t know such details on each photo, so I got confused and named it as a scissors. Still thank you very much for your suggestion. I appreciate.

Yes, you could have thumbnails of the pictures on the list instead of descriptions which would make it even better. Fair enough of not putting the numbers on the photos. What you could do is have the thumbnails numbered, and when you have ascertained which photo is in the envelope you could clearly mark the corresponding number onto the envelope and then move onto the next one. When you have marked numbers onto all the envelopes then the tester can open the envelopes and determine whether or not you got the right number.

I hope you do come up with a good set of photos you can accurately 'see' through the envelopes, as it would be great to have a proper test for this. Also, if the protocol works then there would a good standard to use for these types of tests in the future. Could be the 'Pavel' test

 

[GzuzKryzt]

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RE to academic on Thursday I have a meeting with one of them to arrange day and time when I can perform it. I will let you know.
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News, Pavel?

 

[pavel_do]

yes

News, Pavel?

Yes, as I said before now they very busy due to the exams. Any way we spoke and he agreed, he asked me to send him information about JREF.
Here is the copy of email.

Hi Pavel-

Thanks for sending this information, I will look into them for my own curiosity.

I talked to my colleague, and she is willing to sit in with me. I will share your email with her as well.

I will email you soon to set up a time. We are all really busty right now with the end of the academic year.

SO I am waiting for email, there are two people who will be present to witness it, and ready to write affidavit if I perform it. I think this coming week or the week after it is all will be done.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Yes, as I said before now they very busy due to the exams. Any way we spoke and he agreed, he asked me to send him information about JREF.
Here is the copy of email.

Hi Pavel-

Thanks for sending this information, I will look into them for my own curiosity.

I talked to my colleague, and she is willing to sit in with me. I will share your email with her as well.

I will email you soon to set up a time. We are all really busty right now with the end of the academic year.

SO I am waiting for email, there are two people who will be present to witness it, and ready to write affidavit if I perform it. I think this coming week or the week after it is all will be done.

Well, if they are really busty that would be kind on the eyes.

Without revealing any personal information, could you tell us what academic rank those two people possess?

 

[pavel_do]

Well, if they are really busty that would be kind on the eyes.

Without revealing any personal information, could you tell us what academic rank those two people possess?

I would prefer not to, until I get the affidavits from them than I will post it.
But it is an assistant professor and the professor. Both I don’t know personally, they just was kind enough to agree.

Have a nice weekend guys, and to the Orthodox part of the JREF , HAPPY EASTER!!!

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I would prefer not to, until I get the affidavits from them than I will post it.
But it is an assistant professor and the professor. Both I don’t know personally, they just was kind enough to agree.

Have a nice weekend guys, and to the Orthodox part of the JREF , HAPPY EASTER!!!

I just wanted to remind you that you should not get affadavits from the stoned intern, the cleaning lady or Kenny the copy guy.

"(...) Second, he/she must produce at least one signed document from an academic who has witnessed the powers or abilities of the person, and will validate that these powers or abilities have been verified."

 

[pavel_do]

Done

I had 2 meetings, one last week on Friday in presents of 2 Professors and 2 graduate students I was performing my abilities, and then they asked me to come again for one more testing that happened this week on Friday as well but this time in presents of only 2 professors. The Professors agreed that things that I performed way beyond just chance. And agreed to write statements. Both professors have nothing to do with parapsychology or psychics.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I had 2 meetings, one last week on Friday in presents of 2 Professors and 2 graduate students I was performing my abilities, and then they asked me to come again for one more testing that happened this week on Friday as well but this time in presents of only 2 professors. The Professors agreed that things that I performed way beyond just chance. And agreed to write statements. Both professors have nothing to do with parapsychology or psychics.

Evidence?

Have you told them you intend to apply for the JREF Prize and that their affidavits represent a vital part of your application?

 

[pavel_do]

Evidence?

Have you told them you intend to apply for the JREF Prize and that their affidavits represent a vital part of your application?

Yes I told them and if you remember from email that I posted form one of them.. He asked me for a web site of JREF to read what is it all about… I don’t have affidavit in my hands now as on Friday they had only 1 hour time for me (though last Friday we spent almost 2,5 hours). So as soon as meeting was finished they moved to the other one as they very busy with work. They took the papers where they recorded results of testing (they wrote done all my answers for the photos and the results). I think this days of new week I will pick letters up. As soon as I get them in my hands I will scan them and post it here as a prove.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Yes I told them and if you remember from email that I posted form one of them.. He asked me for a web site of JREF to read what is it all about… I don’t have affidavit in my hands now as on Friday they had only 1 hour time for me (though last Friday we spent almost 2,5 hours). So as soon as meeting was finished they moved to the other one as they very busy with work. They took the papers where they recorded results of testing (they wrote done all my answers for the photos and the results). I think this days of new week I will pick letters up. As soon as I get them in my hands I will scan them and post it here as a prove.

Although I am curious to see which academic has witnessed your claimed ability, you obviously do not owe the JREF Forum anything.

I recommend you send the documents - together with your notarized application - directly to the JREF. If you like, you could ask the people in charge to update the forum members via this thread. If you want to post scans anyway, go for it.

 

[pavel_do]

on May 27th

 

[pavel_do]

just an update

om May 27th I have a meeting with them again, they will test me again, with there own composed test ( still with photos but in there way) as soon as we done with it I will have my letters from them.

 

[pavel_do]

Done It!

Hi everyone,
just to keep you posted, ( though not many of you care here and wish me to win ) I done the test with professors again today the final one, so will have my letters tomorrow ready, will also notarize my application, now will need to put in a few lines my claim to submit to the application and I am ready to send it finale!
I would ask you to help me out with making a proper claim.. if any one will have some suggestions, I will write a but later what I think would be right, so you can see and if there any suggestions to it I will be glad to hear it.

Regards,
Pavel