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Amish School Shooting

Bell said:
The Pensylvania police chief told on CNN that 2 children where critical and on life support. I'm glad they are on life support, because they might live. But I thought the Amish don't allow for modern technic and hospitals? Or am I wrong?

Anyway, a horrible story. If the perpetrator had issues, he should have kept them to himself, and just commit suicide, instead of executing young and innocent children :mad:
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I wondered that myself when I heard some had been airlifted and called 911.
 
CFLarsen said:
But he had a gun. Better options. That's what America's about, isn't it?
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Yeah, you're right. He should have used a samurai sword and then hara kiri'ed himself. That way this thread would have been a lot shorter.
 
Just thinking said:
Mad at something that I'm sure he could not have ever supplied direct evidence to show existed in the first place.

Funny thing -- if I believed that someone was going to kill 6 year old girls execution style because he had issues with me, I would do something to try and stop it -- or at least warn the victims ahead of time. (You know ... given this all-powerful and all-knowing stuff.)

What was God so busy doing that He couldn't intervene?

Gee ... will anyone lose a touch of faith over this?

:boggled:

And if that's not enough, there will be those that will pray to this same god for healing that allowed this to transpire.
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Not just 6-year-old girls, 6-year-old Amish girls! Who else would be bigger fans of God?
 
Dr Imago,

I hope you will post more about this as you need to. It is an important part of processing what you've been through. If you'd prefer to vent confidentially and privately, please send a PM.

Hugs

TS
 
Just thinking said:
Mad at something that I'm sure he could not have ever supplied direct evidence to show existed in the first place.

Funny thing -- if I believed that someone was going to kill 6 year old girls execution style because he had issues with me, I would do something to try and stop it -- or at least warn the victims ahead of time. (You know ... given this all-powerful and all-knowing stuff.)

What was God so busy doing that He couldn't intervene?

Gee ... will anyone lose a touch of faith over this?

:boggled:

And if that's not enough, there will be those that will pray to this same god for healing that allowed this to transpire.
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As I have said before, I don't /can't believe in a being that evil. But if you can prove it exists and point me towards it, I will do what I can to end it.
 
Bell said:
Oh my :(

How sad, I hope all three of them pull trough. All the best to them and their families. And to your and your medical team, Dr. Imago, for dealing with this trauma.
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"We think it was God's plan and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going," he [Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker] said. "A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors."
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So god planned for the milk truck driver to be obsessed with his experience sexually assaulting his younger relatives when he was 11 and to be so angry at him that he killed several innocent children and traumatized a whole faithful community? Fantastic planner, this god. Some will probably give up their faith as a result. The Amish deserve better.
 
Mr. Scott said:
So god planned for the milk truck driver to be obsessed with his experience sexually assaulting his younger relatives when he was 11 and to be so angry at him that he killed several innocent children and traumatized a whole faithful community? Fantastic planner, this god. Some will probably give up their faith as a result. The Amish deserve better.
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I think it could be a good thing if the Amish people would swear for this one time. Express their anger. I know they want to seek a greater meaning behind all of this, but alas, there isn't. No God planned this.

Fact is, that some screwed up guy took the lifes of some 5 young, innocent, pacifict and God loving children for no other reason than that he had some issues with life and God himself.

Choosing the Amish people because they where convenient, shows just how much of a coward he was.
 
Bell said:
The Pensylvania police chief told on CNN that 2 children where critical and on life support. I'm glad they are on life support, because they might live. But I thought the Amish don't allow for modern technic and hospitals? Or am I wrong?
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The Amish aren't all for technology in their homes, but they aren't stupid either. They have no problem using it when health is an issue.
 
NobbyNobbs said:
The Amish aren't all for technology in their homes, but they aren't stupid either. They have no problem using it when health is an issue.
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Yes, I've learn't so since posting that :)
Good thing they use it, though!
 
Foster Zygote said:
Originally Posted by CplFerro
Dear Mr. Larsen,

Here is one giant leap toward that explanation for you:

The Color of Crime (1999)
http://www.nc-f.org/colorcrime99.pdf

Cpl Ferro
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So it's the 'dark people's' fault?
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Not necessarily, but it does help explain why, say Japan, doesn't have as much internal ethnic strife. The United States is a mixing pot of ethnicities. There is bound to be a measure of difficulty in it that nations which lack such a makeup don't have to deal with as much.
 
There's some comfort taken that within all this tragedy, people like Dr Imago can still be found. If my child were to die I could take comfort in knowing that it was among professional and competent people who cared - and did their best to save a child's life.

It is hard to understand any of this. Despite all the religious overtones this tragic event will probably be used to promote the value of belief, or become a 'warning' against unbelief.

There is no place for anger against a god that is not there. An atheist who is angry at god is not an atheist. But the gap between a transition from faith to unbelief can contain a terrible grief that accompanies a loss of faith.

Atheists and believers both need to own that more, and not leave people so alone. It well could be that nobody noticed anything wrong because they did not want to see.
 
T'ai Chi said:
"If it isn't the weapon, what other explanation is there?"

So lack of imagination and creativity to come up with alternate explanations means the one they did drudge up is correct?

Tell us why such illogic should be taken seriously again?
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I am asking what other possibilities there are. Since you feel there are other explanations, what are they?
 
An excellent therapist I once knew made the point that in almost all cases of psychotic acting out there was an easier alternative that the disturbed person overlooked. Brenda Spencer, for instance, could have walked to the local supermarket and bought a carton of chocolate milk instead of shooting eleven people, most of them children. The psychotic person actually chooses the more difficult path; he forces his way uphill. It is not true that he takes the line of least resistance, but he thinks that he does. There, precisely, lies his error. The basis of psychosis, in a nutshell, is the chronic inability to see the easy way out.

--- Philip K. Dick, Strange Memories Of Death
 
Just heard on Fox News that Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist church are planning to picket the girls' funerals, as some sort of protest against the Pennsylvania governor.

Slime.
 
I normally don't think such things, but I can't help but wish that man would curl up and die.
 
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