All 9/11 ideas welcomed here

[israelside]

My, my. Aren't you testy when your little fantasies get challenged.

What are you talking about, I have been responding to gumboot's replies for the past 4 or 5 days, its not proving anything so we need sources. Other than that I am not testy at all. You obviously have no courage to resort to calling me David Koresh, you should be banned for saying that. After everything I have been saying, most of which makes sense, some of which doesn't, but how many things have you said were wrong or you take back?? 0 thats a true sign of pride and ignorance! Please leave or speak something of importance!

 

[Slayhamlet]

What are you talking about, I have been responding to gumboot's replies for the past 4 or 5 days, its not proving anything so we need sources. Other than that I am not testy at all. You obviously have no courage to resort to calling me David Koresh, you should be banned for saying that. After everything I have been saying, most of which makes sense, some of which doesn't, but how many things have you said were wrong or you take back?? 0 thats a true sign of pride and ignorance! Please leave or speak something of importance!

At least you admit some of what you're saying doesn't make any sense. I hope you include your claim that a Bronze Age ancient near eastern civilization had space age technology among what doesn't make any sense. Please tell me you do. I still have a little hope for your sanity.

 

[Gravy]

Have you been researching about them? Well Slay, they could have everything to do with Iraq given their history and advancements in math, science and the world! Study who they were, and how some think aliens taught them how to live this way.

Oh. Buh-bye.

 

[israelside]

At least you admit some of what you're saying doesn't make any sense. I hope you include your claim that a Bronze Age ancient near eastern civilization had space age technology among what doesn't make any sense. Please tell me you do. I still have a little hope for your sanity.

I havn't had the time to study it well enough, but I really don't care if you think I am insane, nor do I care if anyone does. I realize some things seem out there, but the sumerians can't be ignore. How much have you studied about them? How many articles have you read from supporters of the theory of aliens visiting them? How many hours have you spent studying it slay? Probably 0. I have heard about it from my friend who works in the state dept and from articles i have read, but I cant prove it 100%...WHY DOES THAT MAKE ME INSANE?? I'm tired of your crap, if you don't listen to what I say I can't help you! I do not ignore things that I presume to not exist like aliens, ghosts or Spiritual things. If you do please say so...I don't and I am perfectly sane, thanks!

 

[gumboot]

I am tired of copying and pasting your quotes gumboot, lets just deal with sources of information we can read about and prove....you saying something and then me disagreeing is pointless, solves nothing....obviously your world outlook is naive. Give me some articles to prove your points, and by the way the ISI chief gave the 100 K to sheik who gave it to atta...not just some isi agent, and the ISI is a well known powerful ruler of pakistan a close ally with america in one of the most volatile regions in the world your telling me the CIA DOESN'T have a close relationship with the ISI? Either you're a liar or the CIA is full of fools! You live in New Zealand? How do you know so much about America? Tell me your occupation, age and such, I want to know your background...sorry if you said it before.

I'm sorry, I won't be giving you any of my personal information.

I like your idea of providing sources. Tell you what, you're the one who started making claims. You provide some sources, and we'll go from there.

-Gumboot

 

[israelside]

Oh. Buh-bye.

"He said aliens, he must be a nut"....haha, well we can take someone serious who puts his picture inside of a butterfly! There is some evidence for aliens, not alot, but enough to keep my curiosity! The question is though, what would it take for you to believe in aliens, ghosts or anything unseen? Ya that's right, to see it...who can't do that though? That's easy! Isn't the hard thing to believe in something you can't see! You might say thats the stupid thing to do, but just remember...it takes no courage to hop on board a ship that's already floating, but to bend down and built your own ship, to believe in a nation when no one else did (America), to fight for a war when no one else see winning in sight (I'm not talking about Iraq), THATS doing the hard thing! That's believing something will happen GOOD when you are at your darkest point! I am from America and my forefathers believed like this, I hold up their spirit in this world of chaos and doubt! Victory will be with people like this!

 

[israelside]

I'm sorry, I won't be giving you any of my personal information.

I like your idea of providing sources. Tell you what, you're the one who started making claims. You provide some sources, and we'll go from there.

-Gumboot

Granted, I do have alot of finals this week in school so I won't have alot of time to research stuff, but I will get back to you on this....alot of the things I reference are in the complete 911 timeline, but of course not everything. If you read the ISI part you will understand my view on the situation atleast on that area! Don't let me stop you though! I'm still waiting to know some more of your background gumboot, reread my other post if you would (at the end)!

 

[Hokulele]

"He said aliens, he must be a nut"....haha, well we can take someone serious who puts his picture inside of a butterfly! There is some evidence for aliens, not alot, but enough to keep my curiosity! The question is though, what would it take for you to believe in aliens, ghosts or anything unseen? Ya that's right, to see it...who can't do that though? That's easy! Isn't the hard thing to believe in something you can't see! You might say thats the stupid thing to do, but just remember...it takes no courage to hop on board a ship that's already floating, but to bend down and built your own ship, to believe in a nation when no one else did (America), to fight for a war when no one else see winning in sight (I'm not talking about Iraq), THATS doing the hard thing! That's believing something will happen GOOD when you are at your darkest point! I am from America and my forefathers believed like this, I hold up their spirit in this world of chaos and doubt! Victory will be with people like this!

General Skepticism and the Paranormal is thataway ^.

If you would like to discuss Sumerian culture and the influences upon it, there are many well-read people in that forum who could address your concerns.

 

[CurtC]

It's time to bring out the big guns...

 

[Slayhamlet]

I havn't had the time to study it well enough, but I really don't care if you think I am insane, nor do I care if anyone does. I realize some things seem out there, but the sumerians can't be ignore. How much have you studied about them? How many articles have you read from supporters of the theory of aliens visiting them? How many hours have you spent studying it slay? Probably 0. I have heard about it from my friend who works in the state dept and from articles i have read, but I cant prove it 100%...WHY DOES THAT MAKE ME INSANE?? I'm tired of your crap, if you don't listen to what I say I can't help you! I do not ignore things that I presume to not exist like aliens, ghosts or Spiritual things. If you do please say so...I don't and I am perfectly sane, thanks!

And all hope is now fleeting. Tragic.

Let me ask you, had you even heard of ancient Sumer before this "friend" in the "State Department" told you about it? I admit I have not studied it in depth, but I can remember covering it in a Western Civilization class I took a couple years ago. Plus I've seen specials on it (along with other ANE Civs) from time to time on educational television shows and such. I know enough to recognize that no serious ANE studies scholar would take the advanced technology claims seriously.

I wonder if you simply tend to repeat ridiculous claims unskeptically that you hear from some friend or other because they sound exciting to you. Are you sure this friend actually does work in the State Department? What's his position? I highly suspect he's just pulling your leg. Pranksters do tend to target credulous people like you.

 

[Oliver]

...it takes no courage to hop on board a ship that's already floating, but to bend down and built your own ship, to believe in a nation when no one else did (America), to fight for a war when no one else see winning in sight (I'm not talking about Iraq), THATS doing the hard thing! That's believing something will happen GOOD when you are at your darkest point! I am from America and my forefathers believed like this, I hold up their spirit in this world of chaos and doubt! Victory will be with people like this!

Well, even if I think that slaughtering most of the native americans
and kidnapping, enslaving and exploiting africans to build up a country
is not part of your glorious story, I wonder how UFO's are related to
the whole issue.

 

[beachnut]

Have you been researching about them? Well Slay, they could have everything to do with Iraq given their history and advancements in math, science and the world! Study who they were, and how some think aliens taught them how to live this way. Alot of unknown things are still buried in Iraq about the sumerian tribe, possible some "reverse technological" procedures would need to be done, meaning they are so far advanced over our current tech level! I had a very good article about them, I will try to find it and send it to you!

What does this have to do with 9/11?

Iraq must be taking a break from being the leaders in math and science. When exactly was that, and what happen to them? So where are the space ships and stuff?

And I was in school, one of my professors was co-inventor of the IC. Are you saying the Iraq tribe had ICs back in the day? Guess my professor was a liar and had nothing to do at Bell Labs but dig up the Iraq desert to invent the Integrated Circuit. So where does on go to school to dig up this junk and does it make it easier to believe lies of 9/11 if you have crazy ideas about aliens? Or are you just gullible about 9/11 and your alien stuff is just independent of your crazy 9/11 ideas?

 

[Slayhamlet]

"He said aliens, he must be a nut"....haha, well we can take someone serious who puts his picture inside of a butterfly! There is some evidence for aliens, not alot, but enough to keep my curiosity! The question is though, what would it take for you to believe in aliens, ghosts or anything unseen? Ya that's right, to see it...who can't do that though? That's easy! Isn't the hard thing to believe in something you can't see! You might say thats the stupid thing to do, but just remember...it takes no courage to hop on board a ship that's already floating, but to bend down and built your own ship, to believe in a nation when no one else did (America), to fight for a war when no one else see winning in sight (I'm not talking about Iraq), THATS doing the hard thing! That's believing something will happen GOOD when you are at your darkest point! I am from America and my forefathers believed like this, I hold up their spirit in this world of chaos and doubt! Victory will be with people like this!

No, it's: "He believes that a couple of cranks and frauds making extraordinary claims are more credible than the entire body of researchers and historians in any given field, because the cranks and frauds tell him things that sound strange and exciting. Therefore he must be a nut."

 

[beachnut]

Well, even if I think that slaughtering most of the native americans
and kidnapping, enslaving and exploiting africans to build up a country
is not part of your glorious story, I wonder how UFO's are related to
the whole issue.

It would be better if the Thread Author could find one fact on 9/11 and some evidence to support him.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Israelside said that all ideas are welcome, yet he ignored mine. Imagine that.

TBK, please keep in mind that your membership agreement contains a requirement to remain civil toward other members - and keep in mind that the CT sub-forum is currently under a stricter regimen at the moment. I have removed the offending sentence.

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[beachnut]

It would save some time if he just posted all his 9/11 ideas in one summary statement. I bet he has nothing new.

Why would he want to see your ideas? Did you really think a possible truther minded person would want to look at other ideas based on facts?

 

[gumboot]

Granted, I do have alot of finals this week in school so I won't have alot of time to research stuff, but I will get back to you on this....alot of the things I reference are in the complete 911 timeline, but of course not everything. If you read the ISI part you will understand my view on the situation atleast on that area! Don't let me stop you though! I'm still waiting to know some more of your background gumboot, reread my other post if you would (at the end)!

I've read the entire 9/11 Timeline and find it less than compelling.

I will wait until you provide a source for some of your claims. I can only reiterate that I will not be sharing any personal information regarding myself. This will not change.

-Gumboot

 

[Slayhamlet]

What does this have to do with 9/11?

Iraq must be taking a break from being the leaders in math and science. When exactly was that, and what happen to them? So where are the space ships and stuff?

And I was in school, one of my professors was co-inventor of the IC. Are you saying the Iraq tribe had ICs back in the day? Guess my professor was a liar and had nothing to do at Bell Labs but dig up the Iraq desert to invent the Integrated Circuit. So where does on go to school to dig up this junk and does it make it easier to believe lies of 9/11 if you have crazy ideas about aliens? Or are you just gullible about 9/11 and your alien stuff is just independent of your crazy 9/11 ideas?

Well, I believe Baghdad around the 9th Century was the major center of scholarship worldwide, including in the mathematics (the modern notion of empirically based science didn't quite exist yet, though). This lasted till about the time when it was sacked by the Mongols a couple hundred years later. Of course, this was well over 3000 years after the ancient Sumerians decided to stop flying around in their gravity-defying saucers and began destroying the evidence of their advanced civilization, replacing it all with deceptively planted Bronze Age artifacts.

 

[CptColumbo]

david griffin is a well respected investigator, i have to consider what he says.

I don't, since I looked into a few articles and found bad sources, and in some cases outright lies, I pay very little attention to anything he writes. He's only respected in a very small community of people who don't know how to perform investigations on their own, outside of the internet. Outside of that group he is really not well-known. If he actually produced any objective evidence to back up his "facts," he might gain the attention of the public at-large.

 

[JimBenArm]

I havn't had the time to study it well enough, but I really don't care if you think I am insane, nor do I care if anyone does. I realize some things seem out there, but the sumerians can't be ignore. How much have you studied about them? How many articles have you read from supporters of the theory of aliens visiting them? How many hours have you spent studying it slay? Probably 0. I have heard about it from my friend who works in the state dept and from articles i have read, but I cant prove it 100%...WHY DOES THAT MAKE ME INSANE?? I'm tired of your crap, if you don't listen to what I say I can't help you! I do not ignore things that I presume to not exist like aliens, ghosts or Spiritual things. If you do please say so...I don't and I am perfectly sane, thanks!

You see, there's your problem. You haven't studied it, yet you feel perfectly comfortable coming here and pontificating on subjects you know nothing about. You have a friend in the State Department? I have dozens of friends in the Defense Department. You can't prove anything even 1%, yet you seem to think we should listen to your rantings.

Edited and infracted for violation of (stringently applied in the CT sub-forum at this time) membership rules regarding civility. Do not attack the person, attack the argument.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer