All 9/11 ideas welcomed here

[gumboot]

Al Qaeda is a pasty group, used by the elite to carry out false flags events that create their beloved NWO goals!

They don't seem overly cooperative for a patsy group.

operation northwoods was a plan to create an attack on america, blame it on cuba so we could invade cuba, can't you just admit it, it never happend thankfully!

No, it never happened because it was rejected by the administration. How does this relate to anything?

sumarian tribe is associated with IRAQ, and it could be a very crucial motivation for the invasion of iraq by america!

I'm assuming you mean the Ancient civilization of Sumer. Perhaps you can explain what Sumer has to do with anything?

cia used al qaeda and bin laden from the onset

Actually, it was the other way around. Al Qaeda used the CIA (and FBI) from the outset.

, how did rj abbas know the towers were going to come down? he was an ISI agent, you know about OP diamondback?

Yes, I do. The meetings were regarding weapons deals to Egypt. We have only Randy Glass' word that the WTC was mentioned. Needless to say, Randy Glass is a conman and diamond thief.

As previously commented, the connections between the ISI and Al Qaeda are well known.

david griffin is a well respected investigator, i have to consider what he says.

David Ray Griffin is an ignorant moron who knows less about 9/11 than my left foot.

what do you think about this article?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1266520,00.html

or this one
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_20141.html

Not a lot.

I'm not sure why anyone finds it the least bit odd that a Jewish reporter ended up dead after attempting to investigate the world's most dangerous Radical Islamic Terrorist network in a predominantly Muslim country where Osama Bin Laden is regarded by many as a hero.

Especially given he was investigating links between Al Qaeda and the ISI - a highly corrupt organisation that practically runs Pakistan.

-Gumboot

 

[PhantomWolf]

I wouldn't say that OBL was smallfry pre-9/11. He was well known to the US Govt because of his actions against them. Don't forget that less that a year eariler AQ had bombed the USS Cole and that was just one attack in a number of attacks of the previous ten years. In fact as of 9/11 he would have been the number one suspect in any attacks on the US.

It's also wrong to say that everyone instantly jumped to the conclusion that OBL was behind it. Bush wanted and tried in vain, for several days to have it pushed onto Saddam, but the evidence just wasn't there, it all pointed at OBL.

 

[israelside]

As previously commented, the connections between the ISI and Al Qaeda are well known - gumboot

So, if the ISI has strong connections with AQ, why not investigate possible funding sources from the ISI to AQ....in 911. It's not that wild to think that some funds the CIA provided the ISI in the soviet afghan war to fund the islamic militants would be totally abolished regarding any future events. They must have developed a close relationship with the ISI and watch most of their actions, if they have had or still do have close connnections with AQ, then bring the high ranking members to trial for cooperation with a terrorist organization? It does seem logical though, on the other hand to "brush under the rug" any off color actions (drug smuggling, illegal weapons trades etc) in order to work with this group to fulfill a larger goal. They did it once, to covertly fund radical islamic militants, why couldn't they do it again in order to use these "islamic radicals" to create a false enemy, so that the US and global power could futher create a global govt, global econmy and the nwo goals could continue.....why is that soooooo hard to atleast agree is plausible? Even if you have proof these govt people did nothing wrong, why not atleast think it could be their goal, given their corrupt history and lives??

 

[israelside]

Even after no WMD's were found in iraq, and horrible failures have been admitted by our own govt and military in this war, and also known lies by our govt to pursuade naysayers into a war for oil, money, and global control! Alot of folks still refuse to accept the fact that a govt (or media lap dog) could possibly hold a grand conspiracy to fool the public and brain wash them for their own control and power! Gumboot has already admitted the media is a business and mainly just cares about getting money (not covering really important stories to keep govt, businesses accountable for the most part)! But, we still need evidence for any conspiracy theory, I think we have a great case to atleast keep these theories on the front burner of investigation! Only because evil exists, we know who is to blame, know we must know who is acting it out in this world!

 

[PhantomWolf]

israelside, you need to get hold of and read Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001

 

[Slayhamlet]

I'm still left wondering what in the Hades the ancient Sumerians have to do with anything.

 

[Gravy]

Al Qaeda is a pasty group

هذا غير صحيح They are mostly swarthy. Óglaigh na hÉireann: now there was a pasty lot.

 

[Gravy]

I'm still left wondering what in the Hades the ancient Sumerians have to do with anything.

You'll need to ask Uruk.

 

[Gravy]

هذا غير صحيح They are mostly swarthy. Óglaigh na hÉireann: now there was a pasty lot.

Correction: there is a pasty lot. Who knew they were still active?

 

[israelside]

israelside, you need to get hold of and read Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001

Are you just trying to be a joker or are you being serious? What are some of the biggest things they say in the book?

 

[israelside]

I'm still left wondering what in the Hades the ancient Sumerians have to do with anything.

Have you been researching about them? Well Slay, they could have everything to do with Iraq given their history and advancements in math, science and the world! Study who they were, and how some think aliens taught them how to live this way. Alot of unknown things are still buried in Iraq about the sumerian tribe, possible some "reverse technological" procedures would need to be done, meaning they are so far advanced over our current tech level! I had a very good article about them, I will try to find it and send it to you!

 

[gumboot]

As previously commented, the connections between the ISI and Al Qaeda are well known - gumboot

So, if the ISI has strong connections with AQ, why not investigate possible funding sources from the ISI to AQ....in 911. It's not that wild to think that some funds the CIA provided the ISI in the soviet afghan war to fund the islamic militants would be totally abolished regarding any future events.

It's not like this operation was expensive. The Commission estimated it cost about $400,000. That sort of money can go missing in a government organisation in moments.

If some random ISI agent happens to support Al Qaeda, and slips them $100,000 from his operating budget, how is anyone supposed to work this out? Do you honestly think the CIA knows the identity of all 150,000 ISI employees?

They must have developed a close relationship with the ISI and watch most of their actions

Okay, obviously you think they do.

The CIA do not have a close relationship with the ISI okay? They had a brief alliance of convenience during the Soviet-Afghan War because they both had an interest in the Soviets being beaten. That's it.

, if they have had or still do have close connnections with AQ, then bring the high ranking members to trial for cooperation with a terrorist organization?

You're assuming that association was official. When I say "the connections between Al Qaeda and the ISI were well known" I mean it was well known that individual members of the ISI were friendly to and supported Al Qaeda. Not that the organisation officially did.

It does seem logical though, on the other hand to "brush under the rug" any off color actions (drug smuggling, illegal weapons trades etc) in order to work with this group to fulfill a larger goal.

Never heard the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

Why do you think the Soviets were on our side in WW2? Or China?

History is full of countries working with coalition partners they don't like/trust because their goals coincide, and neither can achieve them alone.

They did it once, to covertly fund radical islamic militants, why couldn't they do it again in order to use these "islamic radicals" to create a false enemy

If you think either the ISI or CIA has any control over the former Afghan Mujhideen (let alone Al Qaeda) you are sadly mistaken.

so that the US and global power could futher create a global govt, global econmy and the nwo goals could continue.....why is that soooooo hard to atleast agree is plausible?

Well, mainly because the USA's actions post-9/11 have done about as much damage to "global government" (the United Nations) as is possible.

Even if you have proof these govt people did nothing wrong, why not atleast think it could be their goal, given their corrupt history and lives??

Which Government people? The ISI?

-Gumboot

 

[thaiboxerken]

ALL 9/11 ideas are welcome here? Ok.


I think the WTC events were the result of MY plan to rule the planet. Yep, I employed elves to plant tiny magic, explosive mushrooms around the globe that made everyone see what I wanted them to see. While everyone was in this trance, the dwarves I employ destroyed the WTC. The pentagon was destroyed by the undead necromancers. All of the truthers are just brainwashed minions of my clerics.

I rule.

 

[WildCat]

Have you been researching about them? Well Slay, they could have everything to do with Iraq given their history and advancements in math, science and the world! Study who they were, and how some think aliens taught them how to live this way. Alot of unknown things are still buried in Iraq about the sumerian tribe, possible some "reverse technological" procedures would need to be done, meaning they are so far advanced over our current tech level! I had a very good article about them, I will try to find it and send it to you!

Erich von Daniken is so 1975.

 

[israelside]

Correction: there is a pasty lot. Who knew they were still active?

What are you talking about "pasty lot"? Like a lot of cars to choose from? lol, if so when has bribery gone away? Joe, you want to make some dough? Go kill so and so for me...etc, examples like that. Hitmen, patsies for the true criminals behind the scenes! Everyone behind it is guilty though, including the patsies!

 

[gumboot]

What are you talking about "pasty lot"? Like a lot of cars to choose from? lol, if so when has bribery gone away? Joe, you want to make some dough? Go kill so and so for me...etc, examples like that. Hitmen, patsies for the true criminals behind the scenes! Everyone behind it is guilty though, including the patsies!

That's not what a patsy is.

-Gumboot

 

[Hokulele]

That's not what a patsy is.

-Gumboot

Go Pats!

(Sorry, I'll head back to R&P now.)

 

[israelside]

I am tired of copying and pasting your quotes gumboot, lets just deal with sources of information we can read about and prove....you saying something and then me disagreeing is pointless, solves nothing....obviously your world outlook is naive. Give me some articles to prove your points, and by the way the ISI chief gave the 100 K to sheik who gave it to atta...not just some isi agent, and the ISI is a well known powerful ruler of pakistan a close ally with america in one of the most volatile regions in the world your telling me the CIA DOESN'T have a close relationship with the ISI? Either you're a liar or the CIA is full of fools! You live in New Zealand? How do you know so much about America? Tell me your occupation, age and such, I want to know your background...sorry if you said it before.

 

[Slayhamlet]

Have you been researching about them? Well Slay, they could have everything to do with Iraq given their history and advancements in math, science and the world! Study who they were, and how some think aliens taught them how to live this way. Alot of unknown things are still buried in Iraq about the sumerian tribe, possible some "reverse technological" procedures would need to be done, meaning they are so far advanced over our current tech level! I had a very good article about them, I will try to find it and send it to you!

Are you the reincarnation of David Koresh, by any chance?

 

[Slayhamlet]

I am tired of copying and pasting your quotes gumboot, lets just deal with sources of information we can read about and prove....you saying something and then me disagreeing is pointless, solves nothing....obviously your world outlook is naive. Give me some articles to prove your points, and by the way the ISI chief gave the 100 K to sheik who gave it to atta...not just some isi agent, and the ISI is a well known powerful ruler of pakistan a close ally with america in one of the most volatile regions in the world your telling me the CIA DOESN'T have a close relationship with the ISI? Either you're a liar or the CIA is full of fools! You live in New Zealand? How do you know so much about America? Tell me your occupation, age and such, I want to know your background...sorry if you said it before.

My, my. Aren't you testy when your little fantasies get challenged.