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[JimBenArm]

Edited and infracted for violation of (stringently applied in the CT sub-forum at this time) membership rules regarding civility. Do not attack the person, attack the argument.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

So I guess this goes on my permanent record, and I can forget about the position in the new administration?

 

[JonnyFive]

I havn't had the time to study it well enough, but I really don't care if you think I am insane, nor do I care if anyone does. I realize some things seem out there, but the sumerians can't be ignore. How much have you studied about them? How many articles have you read from supporters of the theory of aliens visiting them? How many hours have you spent studying it slay? Probably 0. I have heard about it from my friend who works in the state dept and from articles i have read, but I cant prove it 100%...WHY DOES THAT MAKE ME INSANE?? I'm tired of your crap, if you don't listen to what I say I can't help you! I do not ignore things that I presume to not exist like aliens, ghosts or Spiritual things. If you do please say so...I don't and I am perfectly sane, thanks!

What the heck does this have to do with 9/11?

 

[jmercer]

So I guess this goes on my permanent record, and I can forget about the position in the new administration?

According to your avatar, you're going to lead the NWO, no?

Don't worry about it; just don't make a habit of it.

 

[kittynh]

hmmm, having read history and "understanding" does not win or lose wars.

You got your Patton, but unless it is tempered with a sense of what the situation is... then forget it. The Bradley will win the day.

That said, how many Middle Eastern nations have you been in?

How many families do you have over for dinner? I mean, America is a sort of green salad mix, not a melting pot.

 

[beachnut]

david griffin is a well respected investigator, i have to consider what he says.

David Ray Griffin is a hearsay only investigator. He talks to people and presents what they say to support his ideas which he never seems to make clear. He lets you connect the hearsay to the lies he wants you to believe. You can find this out by looking at reviews of his work, you do not even have to buy his junk. But buying his junk reveals in a few seconds he only has hearsay for his evidence. Pure junk for 9/11 is what David Griffin is feeding you.

 

[israelside]

And all hope is now fleeting. Tragic.

Let me ask you, had you even heard of ancient Sumer before this "friend" in the "State Department" told you about it? I admit I have not studied it in depth, but I can remember covering it in a Western Civilization class I took a couple years ago. Plus I've seen specials on it (along with other ANE Civs) from time to time on educational television shows and such. I know enough to recognize that no serious ANE studies scholar would take the advanced technology claims seriously.

I wonder if you simply tend to repeat ridiculous claims unskeptically that you hear from some friend or other because they sound exciting to you. Are you sure this friend actually does work in the State Department? What's his position? I highly suspect he's just pulling your leg. Pranksters do tend to target credulous people like you.

I'm not saying I can say with 100% certainty that these sumerian people had advanced knowledge due to aliens or anyone else, but it is interesting....and yes my friend does work in the state dept, he lives in dc, and is an IT dept worker in the state dept with a security clearance. I have talked with him for over 6 years now! I trust him a great deal. Ha, thanks for thinking of me as a naive fool who believes every conspiracy on the planet. The things I say have a good deal of credibility behind them thank you! Maybe we should question your credibility as a result? Funny, how people on here judge folks before knowing much about them at all!

 

[Brainache]

So the ancient Sumerians you are talking about are the guys who invented agriculture and writing etc? Maybe also the guys who made those big old batteries out of clay jars, copper and lemon juice or something?

Had to be Alien technology, because there's no way Humans could ever dream up that stuff by themselves.

 

[israelside]

You see, there's your problem. You haven't studied it, yet you feel perfectly comfortable coming here and pontificating on subjects you know nothing about. You have a friend in the State Department? I have dozens of friends in the Defense Department. You can't prove anything even 1%, yet you seem to think we should listen to your rantings.

Not at all Jim, you don't have to listen to anything I am saying, yet you continue to respond because you obviously like to debate. We should always throw out theories on the table, and if we enough evidence to consider it trash then let it be, but has anyone come out to prove 100% that the sumerians DID not have advanced knowledge? from aliens? Doesn't mean they did, but why ignore it?

This issue could be tied to 911 in a great way, being a motive behind the war with iraq and the war on terror, granted it's just 1 piece in a huge puzzle, but it could be a motive. Everyone here likes to destroy people, why can't one person atleast see it from my point of view?

 

[israelside]

That said, how many Middle Eastern nations have you been in?

How many families do you have over for dinner? I mean, America is a sort of green salad mix, not a melting pot.

0 middle eastern nations

Our next door neighbors are middle easter, ya wearing the robes and all. They are nice for the most part, even giving us christmas gifts before we thought of giving one to them (assuming they are muslims). Ya, America is about to be completely run over with mexicans, the border is out of control! Houston has more mexicans than it does whites...America is more of a melting pot than you think! Thankfully this trans texas cooridor is being held up for 2 years, the global coorporations would love nothing better than to create a pan american union! Yep, you love your rights slowly being stripped away and your daughters being forced to take a vaccine that is a known cancer virus that might kill 4 strains of the HPV, out of 100's of known strains? O sorry, that's just Texas...but we are suppose to sit by and believe nothing bad is happening to us! America has been lost to a tyranical global order of destruction!

 

[israelside]

I've read the entire 9/11 Timeline and find it less than compelling.

I will wait until you provide a source for some of your claims. I can only reiterate that I will not be sharing any personal information regarding myself. This will not change.

-Gumboot

You've read the entire timeline, compared all the stories with their sources, investigated other sites to confirm stories and it took you a few days lol...it would take you atleast a few months if you were a really good reader! Yet, nothing sparked your concern? I don't believe you've read much of it at all!

 

[PhantomWolf]

Are you just trying to be a joker or are you being serious? What are some of the biggest things they say in the book?

I'm being serious, it's written by a guy that was there working in the media, who has sources and connections through the region and has written a deffinative account of what happened in Afghanistan from the mid 80's through to 2001. Perhaps the problem here is that you believe that anything not on a website can't be true? Perhaps actually getting a real well reseached and written book and learning some history will do you good.

 

[WildCat]

0 middle eastern nations

Our next door neighbors are middle easter, ya wearing the robes and all. They are nice for the most part, even giving us christmas gifts before we thought of giving one to them (assuming they are muslims). Ya, America is about to be completely run over with mexicans, the border is out of control! Houston has more mexicans than it does whites...America is more of a melting pot than you think! Thankfully this trans texas cooridor is being held up for 2 years, the global coorporations would love nothing better than to create a pan american union! Yep, you love your rights slowly being stripped away and your daughters being forced to take a vaccine that is a known cancer virus that might kill 4 strains of the HPV, out of 100's of known strains? O sorry, that's just Texas...but we are suppose to sit by and believe nothing bad is happening to us! America has been lost to a tyranical global order of destruction!

Wow! I guess when you're paranoid conspiracy theories are like potato chips... you can't eat just one, you have to go for the whole bag.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I'm not saying I can say with 100% certainty that these sumerian people had advanced knowledge due to aliens or anyone else, but it is interesting....and yes my friend does work in the state dept, he lives in dc, and is an IT dept worker in the state dept with a security clearance. I have talked with him for over 6 years now! I trust him a great deal. Ha, thanks for thinking of me as a naive fool who believes every conspiracy on the planet. The things I say have a good deal of credibility behind them thank you! Maybe we should question your credibility as a result? Funny, how people on here judge folks before knowing much about them at all!

The IT department, huh? So you're saying that this friend, with his low-level clearance as an IT techie, has been privy to top secret documents which discuss the US Gov's interest in excavating Sumerian ruins in the hopes of gaining advanced alien technologies which it will then use to dominate the world? Or maybe he's just blathering about something he saw on some TV show dealing with the paranormal about cryptoarchaeology.

 

[israelside]

I'm being serious, it's written by a guy that was there working in the media, who has sources and connections through the region and has written a deffinative account of what happened in Afghanistan from the mid 80's through to 2001. Perhaps the problem here is that you believe that anything not on a website can't be true? Perhaps actually getting a real well reseached and written book and learning some history will do you good.

I read books all the time, I am in school. I dont have alot of time to read other books, but I would like to, websites are good because they can contain a tremedous more volume of material than a book, but are often times more sloppy. Books are good because the authors spend more time to confirm their reports and are older people (given they arn't computer savy) for the most part. Both should be used, but your're right I should get that book and read it, maybe you should read the complete 911 timeline aswell if you haven't

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

 

[Slayhamlet]

0 middle eastern nations

Our next door neighbors are middle easter, ya wearing the robes and all. They are nice for the most part, even giving us christmas gifts before we thought of giving one to them (assuming they are muslims). Ya, America is about to be completely run over with mexicans, the border is out of control! Houston has more mexicans than it does whites...America is more of a melting pot than you think! Thankfully this trans texas cooridor is being held up for 2 years, the global coorporations would love nothing better than to create a pan american union! Yep, you love your rights slowly being stripped away and your daughters being forced to take a vaccine that is a known cancer virus that might kill 4 strains of the HPV, out of 100's of known strains? O sorry, that's just Texas...but we are suppose to sit by and believe nothing bad is happening to us! America has been lost to a tyranical global order of destruction!

Overrun with Mexicans... that's nice.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I read books all the time, I am in school. I dont have alot of time to read other books, but I would like to, websites are good because they can contain a tremedous more volume of material than a book, but are often times more sloppy. Books are good because the authors spend more time to confirm their reports and are older people (given they arn't computer savy) for the most part. Both should be used, but your're right I should get that book and read it, maybe you should read the complete 911 timeline aswell if you haven't

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

Any idiot can write a book about something he knows nothing about. In fact, idiots do this all the time. They think that by getting their crazy, uninformed theories into the printed medium they are somehow validated and conferred with authority. They are wrong, but unfortunately many otherwise intelligent people fall for it and think that because it is in a book it must be well-researched. Rather, you should trust the kind of books that are written by experts in whatever field it is that the book deals with. You know, the kind of authors who have spent their entire lives studying the subject matter and subjecting their own research and conclusions to the scrutiny of others respected in the field. If the study has any validity at all, those who study it will have some sort of consensus on the most basic concepts of the field.

Oh, but that's right, professionalism is bad. Sorry, I forgot.

 

[PhantomWolf]

maybe you should read the complete 911 timeline aswell if you haven't

I have, it does have some interesting things, but it also has a lot of speculation, erroroneous reporting, debunked myths and irrelevancies, some of which have been jammed in with a tire iron to make them fit. Just because they can do one better than most CT sites on the web and link they events to news stories, doesn't make them all that much more accurate as their news links are sometimes unsupported or refuted, such as those dealing with OBL's supposed kidney problems, or simply biased to look bad, such as the changing of people in govt positions in Jan-Feb 2001. That is standard practice whenever there is a change from a Democratic to a Republican administration, and often projects, especially risky ones, get shut down because of it (aka Apollo in 1968-1970.) Other stories are biased to look bad because of actions that in hindsight seem "strange" but really are a matter of the law of the US at that point. The US has very liberal laws, spying on people inside the country was a no no. Several laws have been changed to allow it now, and people started crying out about oppression. You can't have it both ways, either the Law enforcement agencies can't spy and share information and have to keep each other in the dark, or they are allowed to do it and breach people's privacy. Pre-9/11 the second was illegal. Regardless to what you belive though, the timeline does show one thing, that if it really was known or purportrated by "The Government" it was well underway before Bush come into office in Jan 2001, so perhaps it was a Democratic Party plot to totally discredit the Republicains and storm into power in 2008 because everyone would end up hating Bush and thinking he was behind it.

 

[israelside]

Any idiot can write a book about something he knows nothing about. In fact, idiots do this all the time. They think that by getting their crazy, uninformed theories into the printed medium they are somehow validated and conferred with authority. They are wrong, but unfortunately many otherwise intelligent people fall for it and think that because it is in a book it must be well-researched. Rather, you should trust the kind of books that are written by experts in whatever field it is that the book deals with. You know, the kind of authors who have spent their entire lives studying the subject matter and subjecting their own research and conclusions to the scrutiny of others respected in the field. If the study has any validity at all, those who study it will have some sort of consensus on the most basic concepts of the field.

Oh, but that's right, professionalism is bad. Sorry, I forgot.

Ya, I agree with you and think the same way, but that is not professionalism. That's doing your job your whole life, well, and having the guts to have it criticed. Professionalism, to me, is the act of being a fake...that is, living a double life, just doing what you need to do to get paid, get promoted, get whatever you want, but really it's not who you ARE as a person...understand? Maybe it's not the right word, but that is often times how i hear it. It's like....we are "professional" at our law firm, as if they are the kings of knowledge and giving people the fair shake in their case? Most of the time when they say that, I see it as they intend their work to be "business" or "what we gotta do (even if it's fake) to do our job". I guess the bottom line is, if it's fake it's wrong, if it's real it's good, whatever term you want to use! But there is no reason to be a jerk about it Slay, I am being "civil and polite", I guess most people can see that

 

[Slayhamlet]

Oh, and by the way, contrary to israelside's assertion, the ancient Sumerians are most certainly not being ignored.

More here. And especially #15 here.

 

[israelside]

I have, it does have some interesting things, but it also has a lot of speculation, erroroneous reporting, debunked myths and irrelevancies, some of which have been jammed in with a tire iron to make them fit. Just because they can do one better than most CT sites on the web and link they events to news stories, doesn't make them all that much more accurate as their news links are sometimes unsupported or refuted, such as those dealing with OBL's supposed kidney problems, or simply biased to look bad, such as the changing of people in govt positions in Jan-Feb 2001. That is standard practice whenever there is a change from a Democratic to a Republican administration, and often projects, especially risky ones, get shut down because of it (aka Apollo in 1968-1970.) Other stories are biased to look bad because of actions that in hindsight seem "strange" but really are a matter of the law of the US at that point. The US has very liberal laws, spying on people inside the country was a no no. Several laws have been changed to allow it now, and people started crying out about oppression. You can't have it both ways, either the Law enforcement agencies can't spy and share information and have to keep each other in the dark, or they are allowed to do it and breach people's privacy. Pre-9/11 the second was illegal. Regardless to what you belive though, the timeline does show one thing, that if it really was known or purportrated by "The Government" it was well underway before Bush come into office in Jan 2001, so perhaps it was a Democratic Party plot to totally discredit the Republicains and storm into power in 2008 because everyone would end up hating Bush and thinking he was behind it.

I'm just saying, look at the articles, if huge agencies like the london guardian dont retract articles that seem suspicious don't we have a right to question the official story if it contradicts it atleast to some degree? Granted some of the articles seem forced in, but given that there is usually tons of articles mentioning just about every viewpoint of the story....we can't really call the authors biased one way, or atleast for most of the sections!

There are plenty of good ways for agencies to collect info without spying on people! It's called news reporting, and doing investigations that are legal, with warrants and such! Wiretapping is the problem, since this is a violation of civil liberties...why wiretape phones when mexicans are riding in truck loads over the border? I see it as, do the obvious things first, after all those measures are set, then and only then should we resort to more drastic measures if the problems persist!

No, 911 was not democratic or republican it is the global elite, do you understand how this world works? Money, greed and power...left, right...it doesn't matter. It's money, and the people with it control the media, govt, industry etc...and as a result manipulate people's viewpoints (often times away from themselves)!! Meaning, away from any wrong doing the people with money have! This topic is very deep, but we can discuss parts as time goes on...