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israelside said:
Ill finish that up by saying that..at the end of the day whether you are extremely self giving or not we all are alone...just us and God. So by that fact we all must be selfish in the end, granted we can care about others along the way and even seem to be totally self giving but when we die everyone has to think about themselves more than anything, simply because it's out choice if we are going to believe in Jesus or not, be saved or not..this is for another forum, but really God covers all topics ;) If you say God does not belong in 1 topic then really that denies who God is.
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God has let you down. God knows the truthers are full of lies. It is a test of your ability to do the hard research it takes to save you from a life facing terminal stupidity. God has given you the tools and you must of lost them. 9/11 is like falling for the anti-Christ, you like what you hear and you believe it, but it is the evil you speak of. You have fallen for the things you want to hear, the stuff you like to hear, you have been lied to and you are eating the apple of lies the snakes of 9/11 truth. God has let you down, but bigger, you have let god down, have you broken all the tools he gave you.

If you pray real hard, you may get a second chance. God told me how to cure terminal stupidity, I will tell you if you repent. Even Christ knows about 9/11, how did you mess it up I-man? You did not learn much from the Bible, you need to read it again.
 
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beachnut said:
God has let you down. God knows the truthers are full of lies. It is a test of your ability to do the hard research it takes to save you from a life facing terminal stupidity. God has given you the tools and you must of lost them. 9/11 is like falling for the anti-Christ, you like what you hear and you believe it, but it is the evil you speak of. You have fallen for the things you want to hear, the stuff you like to hear, you have been lied to and you are eating the apple of lies the snakes of 9/11 truth. God has let you down, but bigger, you have let god down, have you broken all the tools he gave you.

If you pray real hard, you may get a second chance. God told me how to cure terminal stupidity, I will tell you if you repent. Even Christ knows about 9/11, how did you mess it up I-man? You did not learn much from the Bible, you need to read it again.
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Ok Beachnut, God will never let me down, and how can I let God down? He expects us to be weak in our natural bodies...how can we comprehend the mind of God? How can we know truely if our feelings of betrayal or apostate living towards others is how God sees us? The scriptures say God's ways are not our way...maybe you need to read the bible again, but all i'v said about 9/11 are possible theories based off loose ended strings, no hard facts, no hard evidence and by no means conclusive, research paper writing facts. You don't understand that, never will. If you have done alot of research and are an expert in the fields of study about 9/11 and physics or whatnot then you speak I probably can trust you...i dont know that of you though. I never said I was an expert, or even knew all the answers, granted the odds of these certain conspiracies are not in favor however history and knowing govts past is evidence enough to question the story of 9/11 and because certain organizations have benefitted from 9/11 we should atleast question their motivation behind the event even if they are guilty, thats what prosecutors do...that's all I am doing.
 
beachnut said:
God has let you down. God knows the truthers are full of lies. It is a test of your ability to do the hard research it takes to save you from a life facing terminal stupidity. God has given you the tools and you must of lost them. 9/11 is like falling for the anti-Christ, you like what you hear and you believe it, but it is the evil you speak of. You have fallen for the things you want to hear, the stuff you like to hear, you have been lied to and you are eating the apple of lies the snakes of 9/11 truth. God has let you down, but bigger, you have let god down, have you broken all the tools he gave you.

If you pray real hard, you may get a second chance. God told me how to cure terminal stupidity, I will tell you if you repent. Even Christ knows about 9/11, how did you mess it up I-man? You did not learn much from the Bible, you need to read it again.
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If you are so concerned about evidence and conclusive proof of things before you make up your mind about an issues (which we should be by the way) then why do you keep assuming that I am a "troofer" or whatever? Someone that is researching a topic holds theories, all kinds...that doesn't mean they are guilty of holding onto and preaching a anti-govt anti-troop nwo pushing ideology.

By the way, anyone in here heard of the quote by David Rockefeller in his book "Memoirs" in which he admits to being in a secret cabal of world elites? Ill find the quote if not..
 
David Rockefeller Sept. 23, 1994 "This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller, from his own book, Memoirs.

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson

"We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them"--Time Warner spokesperson.

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the
scenes."-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.

you can find more interesting quotes here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati/quotes_on_the_new_world_order.htm
 
israelside said:
David Rockefeller Sept. 23, 1994 "This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

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you can find more interesting quotes here:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati/quotes_on_the_new_world_order.htm
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Could you please cite sources that verify those quotes.

Not that I don't trust jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati as an unbiased source of historical record, but a little corroboration would be nice.
 
I'm sure glad you all have quoted alot of those quotes before, afterall brilliant folks should have known that...you didnt know of those beach, jonny? Hum.....enough said.
 
JonnyFive said:
Could you please cite sources that verify those quotes.

Not that I don't trust jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati as an unbiased source of historical record, but a little corroboration would be nice.
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A few of them are in his book "Memoirs" but the rest you can find on google...Can't prove all of them with a billion references but atleast some of them.
 
israelside said:
I'm sure glad you all have quoted alot of those quotes before, afterall brilliant folks should have known that...you didnt know of those beach, jonny? Hum.....enough said.
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What you just said here doesn't really make sense.

That's odd... I started to check Google for the Rockefeller source (probably the most blatant of your "quotes"), since you're not exactly forthcoming when people ask you to justify your beliefs with evidence... all I can find are conspiracy web sites. I don't see a recording, or his own writing, or a video of him saying it, or a verified transcript of him saying it.

How unusual. Did you know that you said "I am a liar. Everything I say about 9/11 is a lie! I am an agent of the New World Order!" It's true, I swear you said it once. You probably just don't remember and it was deleted from the board. But I said it here, so it must be true.

No? You didn't? Well then, how about you verify those quotes rather than expect me to simply take your word for it?

You're the one claiming these quotes were indeed said by those attributed, and that they prove something. I believe that would make it your claim, and therefore your burden of proof.
 
JonnyFive said:
What you just said here doesn't really make sense.

That's odd... I started to check Google for the Rockefeller source (probably the most blatant of your "quotes"), since you're not exactly forthcoming when people ask you to justify your beliefs with evidence... all I can find are conspiracy web sites. I don't see a recording, or his own writing, or a video of him saying it, or a verified transcript of him saying it.

How unusual. Did you know that you said "I am a liar. Everything I say about 9/11 is a lie! I am an agent of the New World Order!" It's true, I swear you said it once. You probably just don't remember and it was deleted from the board. But I said it here, so it must be true.

No? You didn't? Well then, how about you verify those quotes rather than expect me to simply take your word for it?

You're the one claiming these quotes were indeed said by those attributed, and that they prove something. I believe that would make it your claim, and therefore your burden of proof.
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The quotes of importance are found in books and letters, go buy the book and then you can prove it to your own stone walled mind.
 
israelside said:
A few of them are in his book "Memoirs" but the rest you can find on google...Can't prove all of them with a billion references but atleast some of them.
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No, telling me to Google it is insufficient. You do your own research, israelside. I don't need a "billion references," I just need one or two verified sources per quote. Give me evidence they actually said it, not that some guy said they said it.

I found the quote from "Memoirs." It's on page 405. That would be this quote:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller Memoirs (p. 405)

Of course, to the non-paranoid it appears he is saying he's collaberated with others to build a more integrated global economy.

Now, do you have sources for the more damning quotes? Namely, the first one?
 
israelside said:
The quotes of importance are found in books and letters, go buy the book and then you can prove it to your own stone walled mind.
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Oh, in "letters." And you have evidence of this, right? You know, a copy of the letter, perhaps? A reprint?

If not, why do you unquestioningly believe that the quotes are accurate? Because some conspiracy web site says so? Because they agree with your view of the world?

You do know that the "do your own research for my claims" BS is the height of intellectual dishonesty, right?
 
israelside said:
David Rockefeller Sept. 23, 1994 "This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
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You've combined two purported David Rockefeller quotes here. This is part 1, with some more context (also, you have the date wrong):

"Now, as the United Nations approaches its 50th anniversary, business support for the numerous internationally related problems in which it is involved has never been more urgently needed.... With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the opportunity for enlightened American leadership is, perhaps, even greater than it was in 1939, at the beginning of the Second World War, or in 1945 when the Cold War began. "But this present 'window of opportunity,' during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long. Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring structure of global cooperation." (address to the 28th Annual United Nations Ambassador Dinner, September 14, 1994, as quoted in the Business Council for the United Nations Briefing; Vol. 8, Issue 2, Winter 1995, page 1).
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Now please cite a verifiable source for this purported David Rockefeller quote.

"All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
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I'll bet you can't.
 
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israelside said:
I never said I was an expert, or even knew all the answers, granted the odds of these certain conspiracies are not in favor however history and knowing govts past is evidence enough to question the story of 9/11 and because certain organizations have benefitted from 9/11 we should atleast question their motivation behind the event even if they are guilty, thats what prosecutors do...that's all I am doing.
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Name one person who has benefited from 9/11, and how that makes them responsible for doing 9/11? Come on use all that god has given you to spew this innuendo and false conclusions which you can not stand by. Go ahead and say who did it and why. Then tell me who you think benefited had no damage or grief suffered on 9/11. Can you actually gather some facts and put together something you think happened? Are you just talking and have nothing real to present because you want to spew lies and cast doubt on what really happen? You want to blame others so you have no intention of reading what there is to disprove all the entire work of the 9/11 truth movement that is false and made up by godless capitalistic frauds and ignorant cult members who believe false information.

Try researching 9/11 and start reading and do some real analysis before you spew the non conclusion of nothing. You want to say something about what did or did not happen on 9/11, but you have no idea what it is?
 
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