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Merged Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2

The "N" stands for NEADS. Maybe Reheat will chime in and either confirm or refute what I said.

All the "N" aircraft Keith Olbermann pointed to in the video were scrambled fighter jets from Rome, NY. If you watch the video again you'll see some of them go off to the Atlantic Coast, just like they were trained.

NO, the "N' designation is for US Registered Aircraft. It does NOT indicate NEADS at all. It is the tail number of the aircraft, not the flight number.

If that's not clear the "N" is the leading character in all US Registered aircraft, so N175 would be an aircraft registration number normally printed on the tail of the aircraft.
 
Just so we're clear, this is what I'm referring to.
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All the other FE planes have that part designated for the flight number but I don't know the slightest thing about FE. The "flight number" appears to say N175 something.
 
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All the other FE planes have that part designated for the flight number. The "flight number" appears to say N175 something.

That graphic is too blurred to read. A leading N is the tail number (registration number) of ALL US registered aircraft.

I'd be surprised if the flight numbering system duplicated that, but I don't know that it didn't.
 
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Actually, N175F refers to the flight number, not the FAA tail number. The flight number "N175F", or whatever it says on flight explorer was probably an F-15 or F-16. The "N" stands for NEADS. Maybe Reheat will chime in and either confirm or refute what I said.

All the "N" aircraft Keith Olbermann pointed to in the video were scrambled fighter jets from Rome, NY. If you watch the video again you'll see some of them go off to the Atlantic Coast, just like they were trained.

Also, to be clear, neither Flight Explorer nor any other publicly available flight tracking system displays military flights nor are they permitted to.
 
Unlovedrebel - Yes - that is the N175 (F?) that i was referring too. It also looks like it says 007 138 below.

The poster of this video femr2, and edited versions of it, clearly implies that this N175F information comes from FAA to flightexplorer via radar.
 
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Also, to be clear, neither Flight Explorer nor any other publicly available flight tracking system displays military flights nor are they permitted to.

Gotcha. Like I said, I know as much about flight explorer as truthers know about women.
 
Just PM'd Darth Rotor re: the no-comms triangle flight pattern thing. He used to be an OS, although he did Awfully Slow Warfare with helos IIRC.
Not quite, Joey. I used to be a helo pilot, and worked a great deal with OS sorts. :D Also spent some time on the scope to learn from them what their side of the mission was. Good bunch of guys. Also spent some spare time in tracker alley learning from those professionals. Aegis Cruisers are just too cool to take for granted.

You youngsters and your fancy SPY-1D. Spoiled, you are! :D

As to the triangles:

(IIRC, this was a way to notify radar controllers that your radio was out, derived when most planes had one radio and it were none too reliable ... beachnut's comments on the lack of fuel in a go faster considered, as it be true. Ditto for Brother Reheat.)

Pilots lost or uncertain of position_and_experiencing either transmitter or complete radio failure (after figuring out radio is AFU) flies two triangular patterns before resuming course for destination.

Radio transmission out: right hand turns.

Total radio failure: left hand turns.

Each leg of the triangle should be flown:
for 2 minutes (where aircraft speed is 300kts or less)
for 1 minute when speed is more than 300kts.

This is sort of like using your airplanes as your hands while you play charades with the controller. He hopefully gets it and finds a way to render aid. If you can hear him(right turns), he'll give you something like "if you can hear me, turn right heading two seven zero" or somesuch to make sure that even if you can't talk, you can receive his guidance. He can then steer you to base.

DR
 
I vaguely remember a Dick Francis thriller novel where a pilot in trouble flew a triangular pattern to call for 'help'. He'd lost all instruments (dastardly sabotage!) and was flying above 100% low cloud cover, or somesuch, and didn't dare fly down through the cloud not knowing his height or what he might find in front of him.

Hope that helps ;)

Was he using the sun (or stars if it was night) to navigate the triangle?

I read a short story, "The Shepard", forget the author, that had that plot but wasn't a Dick Frances book, at least I don't think so.

Pilot in a Vampire fighter (it was in the 1950s) going home to the UK on Christmas eve loses all electrical instruments (and radio) while in transit. Told from his point of view. He couldn't land because of a layer of fog. One of the things he did, remembering his flight instructor's instructions, was to fly the triangle pattern to alert the early warning radar net that he was in trouble.

What he needed was a shepard to guide him to a safe landing.

He got one but the twist in the story was who he got as a shepard.

:)
 
Ha! I knew I didn't just make it up! Good to know all my time in CIC wasn't spend dropping horrendous farts back in the EW module and letting the air circulation crop-dust every other console in combat! We called it the "Crazy Ivan." One of my guys was a protein-bar and chickpea salad-wolfing Greek bodybuilder that had gas that would rival anything they've got in cold storage at USARMIID. When this guy ripped a "Crazy Ivan" every single OS in CIC would reach for the MOPP gear and the atropine/2PAMchloride injectors.
 
Ha! I knew I didn't just make it up! Good to know all my time in CIC wasn't spend dropping horrendous farts back in the EW module and letting the air circulation crop-dust every other console in combat! We called it the "Crazy Ivan." One of my guys was a protein-bar and chickpea salad-wolfing Greek bodybuilder that had gas that would rival anything they've got in cold storage at USARMIID. When this guy ripped a "Crazy Ivan" every single OS in CIC would reach for the MOPP gear and the atropine/2PAMchloride injectors.
You should have used the auto-injector on him; not in the module.
 
Are you kidding? And take away a legitimate way to torture OS's?
 
I missed the purpose.

I was distracted thinking about the time one of our pilots was used by the Flight Doc for demo of a dummy atropine auto-injector, it was real and the pilot fell to the floor like spaghetti. A breifing just before DS.
 
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OWWWWCH! I've always been told it's like razor blades rushing through your bloodstream. While painful, preferable to vomiting up your internal organs all over the deck in a sneak VX attack.
 
Sidewinders can be fitted on just about anything with a compatible fire control system and appropriate wing hardpoints. The EA-6B is sadly, not with us anymore. It was built on the old Intruder airframe, which having lived in the VA Beach area, I can tell you is VERY loud. Anyway the functions of the old EW specialty airplanes have gone the way of sensor pods. In the USN, this function is being done by a variant of the Super Hornet - the F/A-18G or "Growler."

Ups.Looks like I misunderstood article in wiki.

I think I understand your questions. Yes, the EF-111 could carry AIM-9 Sidewinders on the outboard rotating pylon. I'm not sure they always did, but the capability was there.

I think you're asking why the EF-111 was built instead of using something like an EA-6B. Although the two are comparable in terms of mission, they are otherwise quite different.

The EF-111 was newer and had infinitely more EC capability. The EA was quite an old aircraft with obsolete systems by the time the EF was built.

The EF-111 had a lot of automated systems as opposed to mostly manual stuff on the EA-6B. That's the main reason the EF could do the job with only a crew of 2 as opposed to 4 in the EA.

The Gulf War I employment philosophy used "Packages" composed of several different types of aircraft. There were the bomb haulers, air-air-fighters, SEAD, recce, and EW aircraft all flying in a package concept. During the target engagement the EF would stand off a short distance while the bombers did their job. They later rejoined on egress. The EA-6B would not fit with that concept because it was too slow. The EA was subsonic whereas the EF could keep up or even surpass the other fighters in speed.

For example, the F-4 Phantom had the same speed/fuel problem during it's last years of service. It didn't fit with the newer aircraft. F-111's wanted to ingress to a target at 550-600 KIAS. F-16's desired 450, but could handle the higher speed. So could F-15's. The F-4's wanted 420 and if they agreed to higher speeds they ran out of fuel prematurely. None of the other fighters could accept a 420 KIAS ingress speed and hope to realistically/consistently survive a threat engagement.

I hope this answered you questions. If not, ask again....

Yes,answered perfectly.In fact both of you answered even orginal intention of question with incorrect assumption(on my part).


Thanks for pointer.

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I read a short story, "The Shepard", forget the author, that had that plot but wasn't a Dick Frances book, at least I don't think so.

Frederick Forsyth. I had a copy, a long time ago, with some beautiful pencil-drawn illustrations, but I forget by whom. It was a wonderfully haunting tale, one of those stories that stays with you for life. I wish I knew where the book was.

Update: Just Googled it and checked. The illustrations were by Chris Foss, the iconic sci-fi book cover artist who painted the incredibly complex spaceships with tiny, well-lit windows everywhere, that were on the covers of Asimov and Doc Smith books in the 60's and 70's. This is bringing back some memories.

Dave
 
Reheat & Unlovedrebel

Further to my previous posts about N175F etc - it would appear that Rob Balsamo has had a finger in those YT videos since Sep 1st 2008. Neednt say anymore about that then.
 
Yes. He also seems to have a thumb up his....Oh never mind.

It's just amazing that there's room for any digits left with his head being up there too.

AAAH! OK, I'm done!
 
Nah, he's talking about something else. Procedure Turns are still a viable part of a full approach - VOR, NDB, TACAN, etc, but in today's crowded radar environment hardly anyone ever flies them anymore. They are flown during training and at uncontrolled airports for aircraft without RNAV. That's about it...

I learnt to fly without the aid of radio.
What (at the time) we called nonaudio
Green and red lights were the order of the day :-)
 
This in itself isnt unusual, as clearly its a 'coast path' or 'filed flight plan' - researched through FE myself and confirmed with dilligence by inside911. No problem.

Sorry all, just spotted a mistake in one of my previous posts. Should infact of written 911files and NOT inside911. Appologies to 911files, the diligence was infact yours!:o

Can anyone please clarify the N175F anomaly that is apparently shown in the latest CT touted video? Cleary some disinfo going on with the CTers. Particularly when RB is involved!
 
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