Merged Abolute proof UAL 175 never struck WTC tower 2

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In super pilot world, you pull out your spare radio from Sportys, and you talk.

That's funny! Many homebuilts/experiment types only have one of these handheld radios.

Total NORDO is virtually unheard of in today's world, (except in really old stuff flying out of a cow pastures) as most civilian aircraft have at least two two-way radios plus two Nav receivers. One way communications are possible on the Nav receivers (VOR frequency) as if the ATC agency in control realizes the aircraft is NORDO, they can transmit over that VOR frequency and request the aircraft to squawk ident if he is receiving and go from there.

During beachnut's and my training days the aircraft had only one two-way and one Nav receiver. It was not uncommon to lose one of them. Nowdays, virtually all aircraft, military or civilian have multiple radios.

Total electrical failure is quite rare in today's world, but it can and does happen.

 

[GlennB]

Well, I don't think you're imagining something, yet!

I recall something like this from years ago, but I don't recall the details now. Yes, the right or left hand turns did signify something, but I don't recall what. If someone can fill in the blank space in my brain (probably impossible), maybe something will start to come back into memory.

Whatever it was ceased to exist quite a long time ago. The current procedures that you read have been in effect for a L O N G time.

I vaguely remember a Dick Francis thriller novel where a pilot in trouble flew a triangular pattern to call for 'help'. He'd lost all instruments (dastardly sabotage!) and was flying above 100% low cloud cover, or somesuch, and didn't dare fly down through the cloud not knowing his height or what he might find in front of him.

Hope that helps

 

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I vaguely remember a Dick Francis thriller novel where a pilot in trouble flew a triangular pattern to call for 'help'. He'd lost all instruments (dastardly sabotage!) and was flying above 100% low cloud cover, or somesuch, and didn't dare fly down through the cloud not knowing his height or what he might find in front of him.

Hope that helps

Yes, I do think this is closer to the procedure's purpose. This was during the period when most military fighters/trainers had only one radio, so it could have possibly been a military only procedure. In fact, it probably was as most civilians don't fly formation (there are a few, but most of them are military trained) especially in weather conditions or at night. Maybe there's another "old goat" around that remembers....

 

[ElMondoHummus]

My plan was to avoid all naval ships on both sides.

That's simple. Pull back on that yolk and fly higher.

Yes, I do think this is closer to the procedure's purpose. This was during the period when most military fighters/trainers had only one radio, so it could have possibly been a military only procedure. In fact, it probably was as most civilians don't fly formation (there are a few, but most of them are military trained) especially in weather conditions or at night. Maybe there's another "old goat" around that remembers....

Now calling Beachnut. Now calling... YIKES!!!!

 

[CptColumbo]

Well, that's what happened in my Lego experiment.





Don't you mean "Abolute proof"?

Correction noted and appreciated. Too much Absolut proof.

 

[debunker9145]

WHy are no planers still around?

 

[debunker9145]

You have got to love truthers, and their baseless attacks.

 

[T.A.M.]

ok, now you have enough posts to post links debunker9145, for the love of god if you have them, post them.

TAM

 

[alexi_drago]

I vaguely remember a Dick Francis thriller novel where a pilot in trouble flew a triangular pattern to call for 'help'. He'd lost all instruments (dastardly sabotage!) and was flying above 100% low cloud cover, or somesuch, and didn't dare fly down through the cloud not knowing his height or what he might find in front of him.

Hope that helps

Was he using the sun (or stars if it was night) to navigate the triangle?

 

[twinstead]

Now calling Beachnut. Now calling... YIKES!!!!

Wow. Oh no he di'int

 

[Toke]

Absolut is fine, but I prefer Stolichnaya.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Wow. Oh no he di'int

Well... flew planes... knows military procedures... old goat... what'd I miss??

 

[beachnut]

Well... flew planes... knows military procedures... old goat... what'd I miss??

Old; I am so old...

The radio made clicking sounds as it was tuning in the station; when you heard the clicking sounds hang up, or repeat, you would change the station back and try again; it became a habit retuning the radio as if it was a procedure.
I almost forgot about that radio channelizing.

 

[twinstead]

Did they even have radios when you started flying Beachnut?

 

[Toke]

Battleships carried them in WWI, but not planes. They used hand and wing signals.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Old; I am so old...

The radio made clicking sounds as it was tuning in the station; when you heard the clicking sounds hang up, or repeat, you would change the station back and try again; it became a habit retuning the radio as if it was a procedure.
I almost forgot about that radio channelizing.

You know we luv ya, man!... er, goat ...

Did they even have radios when you started flying Beachnut?

You tell me where they could've mounted them.

Besides, wasn't Marconi a few centuries after Da Vinci??

 

[George 152]

Hey folks. I don't really have anything substantive to add...was just curious about something and noticed our resident ATC guru was in the hizzouse (Cheap Shot).

Is there any civilian aviation protocol that allows a pilot to fly a left or right dog leg pattern of a certain duration to inform ATC personnel of a loss of comms? In lieu of squawking 7600, I mean. I remember learning that CAP aircraft can do this - just wondering if civ aviation does it as well.

Thanks!

Called a proceedural turn.
Been years since I heard the term

 

[beachnut]

Did they even have radios when you started flying Beachnut?

Radios? Too busy with the wax and feathers to conjure up communications.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Radios? Too busy with the wax and feathers to conjure up communications.

 

[Reheat]

Called a proceedural turn.
Been years since I heard the term

Nah, he's talking about something else. Procedure Turns are still a viable part of a full approach - VOR, NDB, TACAN, etc, but in today's crowded radar environment hardly anyone ever flies them anymore. They are flown during training and at uncontrolled airports for aircraft without RNAV. That's about it...