Split Thread A second impeachment

[Hlafordlaes]

Ask most anyone not wearing a swastika or carrying a Confederate flag, and you'll get the same answer from Timbuktu to Singapore: Trump attempted to stay in office using the same cheap tricks petty dictators in failed states and hell-holes use. End of story. The reputation of the US is in complete tatters, and now the world knows Trumpism/fascism are in the US to stay.

The major security and trade alliance decks are being furiously shuffled as we speak. Add the fact that the West is a self-absorbed no-show on C-19 vaccinations, that only Russia and China are acting as visible partners to the Third World during the pandemic, and whoa! USA/West stink like bum in gutter, big time.

One chance to turn it around, and one chance only: impeach the sack of **** and dump on his entire administration as a lesson in despotism and incompetence. Meaning, no chance at all, given kneel-on-neck good ole boys and their eternal, and now famous, noodle spine.

 

[Vixen]

So, Representative Eric Swallwell, Calif., appealing to authority as his expertise as a prosecutor. Tried many violent crimes and had to decide, was this violence in the heat of the moment, or was it deliberate and premeditated.

Swallwell hopes tp demonstrate that Trump's strategy leading to the Capitol Riots on 6th Jan 2021, was the latter.

 

[Crossbow]

Breaking News: Georgia prosecutors opened a criminal investigation into Donald Trump’s phone call to the Georgia secretary of state asking him to “find” votes.
https://nyti.ms/3a55aWE

Good!

Very good indeed!

I noticed that this story is now being picked up in several by several other news organizations.

Hopefully this means that the stupid, idiotic, lying, POS Trump will finally go to jail for at least a few of the many, many, many crimes that he has committed over the years.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The problem is at this point whatever does take down Trump is both going to feel anti-climatic and like "Well they just keep throwing stuff against the wall until something finally stuck."

 

[Segnosaur]

The problem is at this point whatever does take down Trump is both going to feel anti-climatic and like "Well they just keep throwing stuff against the wall until something finally stuck."

I guess it depends on how many things he actually gets convicted of....

If he faces a dozen charges and only gets convicted of one, it may feel like they "threw stuff against the wall". On the other hand, if the convictions start piling up (and he gets convicted of multiple crimes, in multiple jurisdictions) it will feel darn good... like "finally the dam has burst and he's finally facing real justice".

 

[Horatius]

The problem is at this point whatever does take down Trump is both going to feel anti-climatic and like "Well they just keep throwing stuff against the wall until something finally stuck."

Don't the endings of most wars kind of feel like that, though? You think it's going to be this great happy Hollywood Ending with everyone slapping each other on the back and drinking toasts, but then Hitler shoots himself in the head, and you've still got months of mopping up to do...

 

[smartcooky]

Considering that the GOP compared Trumps *first* impeachment to Pearl Harbor I wouldn't go around smugly mocking too much.

Of course, the GOP was caught by surprise by the impeachment despite plenty of warnings and then they lost Arizona so maybe it was closer to being Pearl Harbor...

Just recall the words of Adam Schiff at the end of the first impeachment...

"You can’t trust this president to do the right thing, not for one minute, not for one election, not for the sake of our country. You just can’t. He will not change and you know it."

"He has done it before. He will do it again. What are the odds if left in office, that he will continue trying to cheat? I will tell you: 100%. Not 5, not 10 or even 50, but 100%,"​

Prophetic indeed, though in reality, it wasn't that hard of a prediction to make. Anyone paying attention could see what would happen if Trump wasn't held to account... the Repugnicans didn't hold him to account.... and what happened?

 

[Stacyhs]

Hey! Leave roofgardner alone! He's cultivating some seriously righteous boo up there!

I second that. Besides, I've got stock in Trump Kool Aid and my husband's retiring soon.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

My source was a poster on another board who I assumed was watching live, but possibly got it from elsewhere. So disregard, apologies for not checking.

It's been reported Paul was doodling yesterday and Hawley had his feet up.

The sentiment was correct but maybe without overt message of turing one's back. That would have been too purposeful.

 

[sackett]

It's been reported Paul was doodling yesterday and Hawley had his feet up.

The sentiment was correct but maybe without overt message of turing one's back. That would have been too purposeful.

Insolence: a display of effrontery toward your betters.

Easy enough for the likes of that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What can you do when you have Republicans this dumb? Granted, this is a State Senate Majority leader, not a Congress member, but still.....


The video in linked in the article. It's quite long.

The myth will last decades or maybe even a century.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I didn't know the resignation of Barr was the day after he told Trump there was no significant fraud found. I knew both happened, I just didn't know how directly they were related.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I will never understand why the police didn't use deadly force more during the riot.

Because that would may have lead to a much worse situation. Many, many wounded and killed, dozens of dead police officers and screaming masses of people trampling each other to death. Police know that you don't do such things unless you have the force and resources to win.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, tonight I sat through the whole enchilada - four hours. It's now 3:45 am and I am questioning my sanity.

My comments: I thought the second T**** lawyer (Shoen ??) had a decent argument but should have 1) cut his presentation down by at least two-thirds, and 2) limited his argument to only that where he had a plausible case to make, namely, the constitutionality of the proceedings themselves. I hasten to add that I don't at all agree with his case; I think that is the only area in which he had a leg to stand on. I thought his political arguments weakened his presentation.

They both seemed to need to fill the 4 hours up. I too am concerned today is going to be too much. It's going to snow here for the next few days and I need to get some stuff ready. Yet here I am again today watching every minute.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Because that would may have lead to a much worse situation. Many, many wounded and killed, dozens of dead police officers and screaming masses of people trampling each other to death. Police know that you don't do such things unless you have the force and resources to win.

That's why I think they chose not to use their guns. They might have still been overrun and then they would be killed.

It's a different matter to shoot the one person climbing through a window.

 

[Minoosh]

I'm behind on the thread and haven't been watching much. But this one sentence alone from Castor kind of throws Trump under the bus:

The object of the Constitution has been achieved. He was removed by the voters.

But the only way Trump's narrative works at all (and that dubiously) is his claim that he was not removed by voters. Ditto the mob. If there was no steal there was no "excuse" for storming the Capitol.

I didn't watch the opening day performance of his lawyers; sounds entertaining in a grim kind of way. I know Castor was making a nod to the constitutionality of post-presidency impeachment but it was a pretty clumsy effort.

 

[Stacyhs]

Don't the endings of most wars kind of feel like that, though? You think it's going to be this great happy Hollywood Ending with everyone slapping each other on the back and drinking toasts, but then Hitler shoots himself in the head, and you've still got months of mopping up to do...

Just a side note...don't want to go off topic so won't say anything more...on the clip of Band of Brothers you linked: they filmed a scene in the old Berchtesgadener Hof hotel before they tore it down when the company went into Hitler's infamous "Eagle's Nest" in Obersalzberg. I lived just across the street from the hotel (which was an AFRC property) years ago and often ate in the dining room with friends. It was shown as dilapidated and war torn. Rather sad from my days there.

 

[Stacyhs]

Because that would may have lead to a much worse situation. Many, many wounded and killed, dozens of dead police officers and screaming masses of people trampling each other to death. Police know that you don't do such things unless you have the force and resources to win.

One of the police officers said that if he'd used his gun when he was attacked, he would have been overpowered and likely have had it used against him.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The idiots expected to take over the Capitol and start the war from there, without even being aware what an ignorant fantasy that was.

 

[dudalb]

Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.


And how - precisely - do you envisage the few hundred aforementioned people overthrowing the American democracy ? I mean.. really ? How ? By the time the crowd entered the capital building, the politicians had been evacuated. What did you anticipate ? Insurrection by Selfie ? Because that's all that most of the crowd DID. Take photographs of each other.

This significance of this entire event has been HUGELYL exaggerated.

Trump supporter much?