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Split Thread A second impeachment

Roofgardener said:
Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.


And how - precisely - do you envisage the few hundred aforementioned people overthrowing the American democracy ? I mean.. really ? How ? By the time the crowd entered the capital building, the politicians had been evacuated. What did you anticipate ? Insurrection by Selfie ? Because that's all that most of the crowd DID. Take photographs of each other.

This significance of this entire event has been HUGELYL exaggerated.
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They murdered and injured cops, called them faggots, robbed and vandalized property, defeated on the floors and behaved like filthy degenerates. Nothing is exaggerated.
 
Roofgardener said:
Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.


And how - precisely - do you envisage the few hundred aforementioned people overthrowing the American democracy ? I mean.. really ? How ? By the time the crowd entered the capital building, the politicians had been evacuated. What did you anticipate ? Insurrection by Selfie ? Because that's all that most of the crowd DID. Take photographs of each other.

This significance of this entire event has been HUGELYL exaggerated.
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Just to re-cap a few facts ...

That mob killed five people,
That mob hurt hundreds of people,
That mob planted bombs,
That mob caused millions of dollars in damages,
That mob threatened to kill Vice President Pence.

So just how much more death, violence and destruction do you need to show you just how dangerous and criminal the Capitol riot was?
 
SezMe said:
My comments: I thought the second T**** lawyer (Shoen ??) had a decent argument but should have 1) cut his presentation down by at least two-thirds, and 2) limited his argument to only that where he had a plausible case to make, namely, the constitutionality of the proceedings themselves.
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I sincerely doubt this was part of a plan, but after sitting through Castor’s embarrassing rambling, it did make Schoen’s presentation seem rational by comparison.

Still wondering if Castor will be part of Trump’s team today - I doubt it.
 
Roofgardener said:
Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.
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Considering that the GOP compared Trumps *first* impeachment to Pearl Harbor I wouldn't go around smugly mocking too much.

Of course, the GOP was caught by surprise by the impeachment despite plenty of warnings and then they lost Arizona so maybe it was closer to being Pearl Harbor...
 
Roofgardener said:
Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.


And how - precisely - do you envisage the few hundred aforementioned people overthrowing the American democracy ? I mean.. really ? How ? By the time the crowd entered the capital building, the politicians had been evacuated. (crescent edited to add that this claim is demonstrably false) What did you anticipate ? Insurrection by Selfie ? Because that's all that most of the crowd DID. Take photographs of each other.

This significance of this entire event has been HUGELYL exaggerated.
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Crossbow said:
Just to re-cap a few facts ...

That mob killed five people,
That mob hurt hundreds of people,
That mob planted bombs,
That mob caused millions of dollars in damages,
That mob threatened to kill Vice President Pence.

So just how much more death, violence and destruction do you need to show you just how dangerous and criminal the Capitol riot was?
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The ransacked desks in the chambers.
They ransacked desks in the offices.
They stole things.
They stole shields from the police and used them against the police.
They beat one cop with a flagpole that still had the American flag on it
They beat police with flagpoles that still had Blue Lives Matter flags on them.
There were numerous instances of rioters wearing overtly racist symbiology - Klan, Nazi, and everything in between.
One literally **** on the floor, others tracked it around
They broke windows, including many interior windows
They broke doors, even door frames.
More recently published video shows one of the rioters gouging out the eye of a cop.

Hate to add to the piling on, but the current estimate is that somewhere between 700-900 rioters entered the building. That's more than a "few hundred", unless one wants to nitpick the semantics.

And it has been shown, over and over and over again that the politicians were still in the building when the rioters got inside. I mean honestly, that was apparent on Day One with the image of the guards barricading the door to the house because not all of the house members were out yet, protesters beating on the door with house members still in the chamber. The Chambers didn't even begin to evacuate until a large number of protesters had gotten inside the building. Large numbers of Senate and House staff members were still barricaded in offices until hours later.

One of the protesters with Ashli Babbitt got video through an interior door window of one of the members of congress, just a few minutes before Babbitt herself tried to go through another window in the same set of doors.

Hint: Trolling works better if the troll at least does a bit of basic fact checking. Really. You want to have a discussion, at least learn a basic fact or two. It is frustrating to see people pop into a discussion a month after the event and want to make points with "facts" that were disproven weeks previously.
 
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In regards to the "LOL it's not a coup because they couldn't have pulled it off" trolling.

What if the people who stormed the Capitol had gotten their hands on the boxes containing the official state Electoral ballots, that were removed from the Senate floor only minutes before the rioters breached the building?
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
How cold does your heart have to be to watch the video presented and listen to Rep. Raskin's speech and still believe that there should be no consequences and that we should risk allowing all of this to happen again in four years, perhaps with more planning and perhaps with the success of ending democracy in the United States of America?
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Word is that more, previously publicly unseen and particularly graphic, video will be shown at the proceedings today.
 
JoeMorgue said:
What if the people who stormed the Capitol had gotten their hands on the boxes containing the official state Electoral ballots, that were removed from the Senate floor only minutes before the rioters breached the building?
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To be honest, probably nothing. From what I understand, there are multiple copies of the election results (so there is significant redundancy). If one set of results is lost/destroyed, they'd simply bring in one of the redundant sets.

That isn't to minimize what the rioters did, or to suggest what they did was "not a coup"... it is just to point out how inept they were to even attempt what they did.
 
alfaniner said:
Word is that more, previously publicly unseen and particularly graphic, video will be shown at the proceedings today.
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The one thing they really need to show...

After showing the riots, they need to play the clip of Donald Trump telling the terrorists "we love you".

After all, even if someone might try to claim "Trump didn't encourage violence before the riots" or that he didn't know what would happen, he certainly can't claim ignorance after the events.
 
Segnosaur said:
To be honest, probably nothing. From what I understand, there are multiple copies of the election results (so there is significant redundancy). If one set of results is lost/destroyed, they'd simply bring in one of the redundant sets.

That isn't to minimize what the rioters did, or to suggest what they did was "not a coup"... it is just to point out how inept they were to even attempt what they did.
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That's not point. What would that have done to trust in the election process and feed the conspiracy theories?

Again we're in a post-fact world. The fact that they couldn't have broken the system isn't the point when the damage would have been done by them convincing people they had broken the system.

If the chain of custody of the ballots had been broken or they had been compromised in some other way the "RIGGED ELECTION!" screaming would have increased tenfold.
 
Roofgardener said:
Yup - very true. The protesters EXACTLY used the DA3 aircraft with twin 130lb bombs to devastate the Capital building entrance, allowing the Nakajima B5N to use torpedo's to penetrate the interior.

Oh wait.. no.. that didn't happen did it ? It was just a few hundred people who broke a couple of glass doors, and wandered around the interior doing no damage (other than stealing a few keepsakes), before peacefully leaving.


And how - precisely - do you envisage the few hundred aforementioned people overthrowing the American democracy ? I mean.. really ? How ? By the time the crowd entered the capital building, the politicians had been evacuated. What did you anticipate ? Insurrection by Selfie ? Because that's all that most of the crowd DID. Take photographs of each other.

This significance of this entire event has been HUGELYL exaggerated.
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Really? If that had been the UK Houses of Parliament at Westminster, the invaders would have been shot dead, after an initial shouted warning. Sadly, there are terrorists who would aim to score cheap publicity from such a stunt.

From the House Trial Brief:


The insurrectionists killed a Capitol Police officer by striking him in the head with a fire
extinguisher.131 They injured over 140 police officers, including at least 81 U.S. Capitol Police
officers and 65 members of the Metropolitan Police Department, with many requiring
hospitalization and significant medical treatment.132 One suffered an apparent heart attack after he
was hit six times with a stun gun; another lost part of a finger.133 To cite just a few of the many incidents of violence captured on video: multiple officers were dragged down a flight of stairs and
beaten with metal pipes and an American flag pole; another was bludgeoned with a hockey stick;
another was crushed as he attempted to guard a door to the Capitol.134 Rioters shouted as they
surrounded one fallen officer: “We got one!” Others urged, “Kill him with his own gun!”135 Four
rioters died during the attack.
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Had a proper policing been in force, or even the National Guards, many of these criminal thugs would surely have been shot. That is very serious.

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JoeMorgue said:
If the chain of custody of the ballots had been broken or they had been compromised in some other way the "RIGGED ELECTION!" screaming would have increased tenfold.
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Quibble - I'm not so sure that it even *could* increase 10X. Yes, though, it would become even more annoying, of course, if they had anything at all to actually grasp onto than the complete nothing that they had the whole time. I'm not so sure that that particular case would count, though, rather than just backfiring in the court of public opinion. On the other hand, I would expect violent extremists to be more invigorated with a hint of success.
 
JoeMorgue said:
In regards to the "LOL it's not a coup because they couldn't have pulled it off" trolling.

What if the people who stormed the Capitol had gotten their hands on the boxes containing the official state Electoral ballots, that were removed from the Senate floor only minutes before the rioters breached the building?
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It wasn't a coup. It was an attempted coup. It was a deliberate attempt to prevent the transfer of power. It was a coordinated attempt. Trump sent the MAGA MOB to the Capitol to stop openning and counting of the electoral ballots. They succeeded delaying the process for hours.

While the rioters were in the Capitol, the President and his sycophants were desperately trying to derail the process. They were calling Senators trying to whip up support to obstruct the process.
 
alfaniner said:
For future reference, is there another place where I could see a running commentary on the proceedings by the unwashed masses? I couldn't find one on Reddit and the Twitter thread is specific to one person, as far as I know.
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What do you mean by the unwashed? Just the average joe in the street? Or do you mean the the MAGAts/Trumptards/Trumper-Humpers specifically?

https://www.oann.com/trump-attorney...-free-speech-protections-lack-of-due-process/

Although, it's more a running commentary by the Lib commenters with additional epithets thrown at them by the Trump cultists.
 
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