9/11 Truthers - Post Your Conspiracy Theory Here

Says the psychic perry Logan.


You seem to be mistaking prisoners taken during a war w/ criminals captured by police. In fact, except for specific circumstances it violates the Geneva Conventions to try POW's. Maybe you should start a thread about it in Politics. There's only been about 100 or so threads on this so far.
Sounds like I stepped on a corn. I was asked for an opinion and I gave it.

If Gitmo had occurred under Bill Clinton, it would be called a war crime by everybody; there would be a multimilion dollar investigation underway, impeachment proceedings, etc., etc. And you wouldn't be calling torture "cooling his heels."
 
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Let's save the politics for another forum guys ;)

Thanks for the response Perry - you sufficiently answered the question.
 
How's about you answer Wildcat's question? The one this thread was started to address. You know. Just what do you really think happened on September 11, 2001?

Don't you remember, he said he had no idea what happened... but it couldn't possibly have happened the way the evil government (and most of the rest of the free world) thinks it did.

This amazing conclusion was based on no evidence and no competing theories (unless "the government did it somehow!" counts as a full theory).
 
Don't you remember, he said he had no idea what happened... but it couldn't possibly have happened the way the evil government (and most of the rest of the free world) thinks it did.

This amazing conclusion was based on no evidence and no competing theories (unless "the government did it somehow!" counts as a full theory).
You left out "The JOOOS!!!!!1111!!!1"
 
You left out "The JOOOS!!!!!1111!!!1"

You're right, that was careless of me.

Also, the JOOOOOOZ, I'm sure the JOOOOOOOS had something to do with it.

Note that this is not the same as "the Jews". Saying "Jews" refers to a particular ethnic group or religion, depending on context. Saying "Jooz", "Joos" or any variant thereof refers to the evil shadow group that secretly controls the United States, Hollywood, and the One World Government/New World Order. They are not related to, and certainly not the same as, "the Jews".

This confusion has caused a good number of problems in the world, and I feel we should clear it up immediately.
 
You're right, that was careless of me.

Also, the JOOOOOOZ, I'm sure the JOOOOOOOS had something to do with it.

Note that this is not the same as "the Jews". Saying "Jews" refers to a particular ethnic group or religion, depending on context. Saying "Jooz", "Joos" or any variant thereof refers to the evil shadow group that secretly controls the United States, Hollywood, and the One World Government/New World Order. They are not related to, and certainly not the same as, "the Jews".

This confusion has caused a good number of problems in the world, and I feel we should clear it up immediately.

Thank you. That helps my headache. Now it really hurts. Time for my meds...
 
So, page 3, and no conspiracy theories posted, just whines about not wanting to be forced to stay relevant for a whole thread from pagan and a lot of funny posts by fellow skeptics.

Bump, by the way.
 
No theories? Dang...

I'm truly saddened...all we got was misspelled evasions from Pagan and a reference to "Clue" from 28th Kingdom. I thought he decided to ignore all of us!

It's interesting that neither the 9/11 nutters nor the Holocaust deniers can come up with a theory on what actually "happened" or a narrative of events. Or proof of their theories.

They can come up with a list of suspects and their motives, and they're usually the same...a Jewish-headed/led/involved conspiracy to destroy the world, doing so at the expense of decent, clean-living, upright, Christian, patriotic Americans. It's always the same conspiracy, with the same purpose, the same goals, and the world is always standing at the brink of destruction at the hands of this conspiracy. It amazes me that the world never topples over, because under the CTers' view, it should have done so a few dozen times by now.

The answer is: they have no narrative of what "really happened." They just have penknives to grind against the government, big business, the media, and the guy at human resources who laughed them out of the office during the job interview when the CTer started talking about his theories, denying the CTer that $250,000 a year job he believed he was qualified for.
 
Irving? Lie? Say it ain't so!

It must be true, David Irving said so.... ;)

I read in "The Hitler of History" by William Lukas (gotta check the name) that the errors and mistakes in Irving's books on Der Fuehrer are endless. He gave one page as an example: Hitler's visit to Warsaw after the city was conquered, and they were massive and endless. Irving basically regurgitated the version of Hitler he got from Hitler's immediate entourage: his butlers, secretaries, houseboys, servants, and so on.

Not only were they lousy sources upon which to base a study of Hitler's politics and military strategy, they all were the keepers of the late Fuehrer's flame. They had a vested interest in making Adolf look good, and Irving was eager from childhood, apparently, to worship at the altar of Hitler.

CTers do something similar, albeit not with Adolf, but with their ideas.
 
On the boxcutter/stanley knife issue, that knife from the trial is not quite the typical fixed-retractable-blade Stanley type knife, on which the blade cannot protrude beyond an inch or so from the handle. That type is still a lethal weapon, able to cut accessible arteries or cause sufficient cuts to more minor blood vessels as to cause severe bloodloss. Moreover, on the streets of Britain's inner cities, its a terror weapon more than anything; more easily carried and explained than even tactical or utility lockknives, yet capable of serious intimidation in the hands of a determined assailant, especially where the victim is unarmed and unused to street violence. It's been said that hand-to-hand or streetfighting is about pain, not lethal or incapacitating wounds. For someone not brought up in areas where this sort of weapon and mindset is likely to be encountered, that becomes fear of pain. The terrorists wouldn't have needed to kill any passengers, or even (as it seems likely they would have) cut any of them. Simply grab a passenger and make clear what would happen to any of them if they didn't go along with instructions. Not to mention the threat of a bomb, and the complete lack of precedent for the suicide hijacking tactic.

If some or all of the knives were the type seen in the trial, post #57 in this thread is key. It addresses the implication by the CTists that the blade of a Stanley-type knife would not be long enough to cut deeply enough to be an effective weapon. It rightly points out that the knife in question was an extendable-blade type, giving a 3-4" long razor-sharp slashing weapon, though less robust than a Stanley.

Either weapon, or indeed a lockknife (which surely even the brave macho CTists would think twice about facing), would have been more than sufficient for the task. Hell, just the "we have a bomb" comment would have done.

But we knew all this. What I would like to do, were it not so utterly distasteful, would be to take a leaf from the experimental archaeology/living history playbook, and to make cuts on ballistic gelatin or (sorry) meat, to show to the coddled, sheltered, cowardly CTists just how deadly these various types of weapon actually are. Failing that, there are numerous accounts of their real-life effects in my own country:

A woman killed by Stanley knife-inflicted neck wound.
Various accounts of small knives including Stanleys, as used by criminals in Scotland.
Accounts of knife crime including a Stanley knife, post-police knife amnesty.
A woman given a 9cm cut in her leg.
A neck wound that needed eight stitches.
Mentally ill man uses one to take a doctor hostage.
Security guard hospitalised after a stab wound - showing that the knives aren't just effective as cutting weapons.
A football fan is slashed from shoulder to waist.
A policeman dies after a knife attack at a football match.

I could go on... :(
 
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The answer is: they have no narrative of what "really happened." They just have penknives to grind against the government, big business, the media, and the guy at human resources who laughed them out of the office during the job interview when the CTer started talking about his theories, denying the CTer that $250,000 a year job he believed he was qualified for.

Actually, they didn't give them the job because of Affirmative Action. At least, that's the usual excuse for loosers.
 
A realistice theory for free fall

Everyone knows about the connection between Hollywood and our evil government. The evidence is obvious in the faked Apollo moon landings. Sometimes the Hollywood execs, due to personal greed and a lack of good writers, let one of those evil government plots slip into a movie script. The movies JFK, Armageddon, or Jackass: Number Two are classic examples of the TRUTH coming out in Hollywood.

This all hit me when I was watching the awesomely bad movie Stealth, starring Jessica Biel. The opening scene included stealth fighters are making a practice bombing run on a building. The building was hit with a couple of bombs, and then THE WHOLE THING COLLAPSED FASTER THAN FREE FALL SPEED. I knew right then that someone slipped up big time. Even a scene later in the movie with Jessica in a bikini couldn’t shake this momentous discovery from my brain.

Those evil Hollywood Joooos thought they could slip the TRUTH by me merely by distracting me with one of the sexiest women alive. HA! My attention span is much too short for that.

There you have it. The government planned the whole thing. They staged the hijackings, had special effects guys ram fake planes into the towers, then brought them down later with stealth fighters and special stealth GPS guided bombs. All those little explosions reported were the bombs crashing through several floors to detonate at the same floor the fake planes hit. There must have been a glich in the first plane or bomb, explaining why the second tower hit was the first to fall.

Excuse me while I do more “research” on Jessica Biel.
 
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