Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[beachnut]

Here's a picture of the strange fire of 2007. There was nothing inside these buildings, by the way. It was almost empty floors, a steel framework, and a mesh covering with outside scaffolding at the time of the fire. Nothing TO catch fire inside, certainly not this serious and fatal fire.

Making fun of the dead again by spreading nonsense.

http://gothamist.com/2007/08/19/two_firefighter.php

 

[WTC Dust]

Deliberately ignoring facts is what you do Tracy. FACTS destroy all your arguments of ignorance.

"Scoppetta said that the fire was a particularly difficult one to battle. The fact that the Deutsche Bank building was being dismantled floor by floor meant that the building was filled with flammable materials like cardboard. In addition, the standpipe to the building was allegedly not working and firefighters had to pull hoses up from the street using ropes".

http://gothamist.com/2007/08/19/two_firefighter.php

Burning cardboard doesn't smell like the WTC stench, though.

 

[notheist]

So nothing was in the building? Except all the same kind of office equipment and furnishing abandoned because it was contaminated with the asbestos dust from the WTC. Why is it Truther have no ability to think beyond their own simplistic view of how the world works. If you don't have any real life experience doing stuff, everything is going to be a big mystery.

Anyone who has used a torch can attest to the nasty nature of the fumes given off cutting steel, and steel that was covered with rust proofing compounds.

 

[Dash80]

Obviously you haven't a clue what you're saying here..Only repeating what Judy has said. You won't break away from your intellectual laziness and understand physics, so you remain consistent at failing...Pat yourself on the back.

I don't see what billiard balls have to do with the questions I asked. WTC Dust has no answer to them, she can only fart out Judy Woo clap trap.

So come on Dr. Blevins, I asked how mesocyclonic storms are related to your (and Judy's) theories? Obviously Ms. Wood has made some connection as she throws pictures around going "Look at that!"

 

[WildCat]

Her forensic investigation of the WTC attacks is, without a doubt, the best work on the subject result of severe brain injury and/or mental illness.

ftfy

 

[beachnut]

...
If one billiard ball can't fall until the next billiard ball reaches it, then the timing of the demise of the WTC buildings didn't match a gravity collapse model. ...

You and Judy don't understand physics. Scientists understand physics, you and Judy are not scientists. The billiard ball nonsense proves you and Judy don't understand physics. When will you explain why you made this mistake?

If you were to extend your model of balls to avalanches; the speed of an avalanche would be as slow as a turtle, or snail - if you could extend your model past balls.

You keep repeating this failed concept of physics.

 

[MIKILLINI]

I don't see what billiard balls have to do with the questions I asked. WTC Dust has no answer to them, she can only fart out Judy Woo clap trap.

Tracy won't give a direct, convincing argument on technical questions. She ignores them and the research needed to answer detailed questions. She'll repeat whatever is in Judy Woods book or throw in something completely off base from what you asked about. She does no research outside of Judy's book, other than walking outside around "ground zero" and making general, non-researched claims.

She appears to be a copy-cat of Judy:They deflect responsibility for their claims by not accepting detailed evidence that proves them wrong.

 

[Myriad]

Textbooks and teachers of basic physics often present problems and thought experiments involving colliding billiard balls, specifically because the familiar behavior of billiard balls is such a good example of momentum transfer in inelastic collisions, as a result of forces exchanged between the balls when they collide.

Judy Wood chooses to use them in the thought experiment, but disregards the forces they exchange when they collide (and thereby, disregarding conservation of momentum which is a fundamental and inescapable physical phenomenon). I admit that is ingenious -- but only for its potential to deceive, like an ingenious stage magic trick or con game whose cleverness we can appreciate but we must not allow to be used to victimize us.

By referring to her hypothetical falling objects as billiard balls, which are usually invoked to describe instances of momentum transfer, Judy Wood conceals the fact that she is presenting false conclusions by utterly disregarding momentum transfer.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[MIKILLINI]

Burning cardboard doesn't smell like the WTC stench, though.

Sheesh! Pay attention Tracy! Cardboard is a flammable material! In this article it was used as an example, but it wasn't the only thing that burned in that fire.
Did you miss the part; FLAMMABLE MATERIAL(S)? MATERIALS is in plural form, meaning more than one type. Stop being so obtuse.

 

[A W Smith]

smoke gets in your eyes

You didn't really answer my question as to why there was "smoke" accumulation in a years-dead building. Also, you seem to forget that the smoke removal machine actually broke down and failed to remove the "smoke".

If the smoke machine really were a "fume neutralizer", then I'm guessing it wouldn't have broken down, causing fumes to accumulate in the Deutsche Bank. Smoke machines are made to remove smoke, after all. Smoke is almost entirely made of partially burnt carbon-based material. Smoke removal equipment generally does a good job at removing smoke.

But there was iron in the dust. Officially sanctioned studies of the WTC dust found iron and iron oxide particles in the dust. The fume neutralizer you mention must be capable of removing this type of material. According to the article, smoke removal equipment couldn't do the job.

Iron is magnetic. I think the iron particles trashed the working innards of the smoke removal equipment, causing it to fail. We know it failed. The deconstruction of the Deutsche Bank was halted due to its failure.

Nobody in the article mentioned a reason why smoke was accumulating so heavily in the Deutsche Bank. There's no reason that a dead building should be producing so much smoke.

The article did mention the 2007 Deutsche Bank fire. Anyone remember that? No reason was ever given for the fire. Criminal charges were filed against the men who failed to properly install and maintain the fire fighting equipment, but that has nothing to do with why the fire began in the first place. I say the 2007 fire, the 2009 deconstruction shut-down, and my occasional whiffs of the WTC stench as late as 2009 were all because of the same reason.

The reaction wasn't self quenching. When you think about Ground Zero, a research team from Edinburgh reported that the site continued to fume until the remains of the WTC were removed from the basement. I personally report heavy fumes for 100+ days.

You do KNOW that the filtration equipment was for mold right? NOT FOR SMOKE? You claim to be a biologist? Is your ignorance deliberate for attention seeking? What are you smoking? http://www.toxicmoldfoundation.com/mold-at-ground-zero.html

130 Liberty Street, otherwise known as the Deutsche Bank Building, was once a 42-story skyscraper that stood adjacent to the Twin Towers. But the collapse of the towers during September 11 tore a 24-story gash into the façade of the building. It destroyed much of the interior of the structure, leaving steel and concrete poking out of the building. Now despite this damage, the frame of the building was in tact and it would have been possible to rebuild. However, that gash that created approximately 1,700 broken windows left a huge part of the building open and exposed. Rain, snow, and other outside elements poured into the building, and brought in high humidity and condensation from outside temperature variation. Additionally, there was standing water in the basement that came from firefighting activities and broken pipes.
Of course, this led to extensive and uncontrolled bacteria and mold growth which spread from the basement throughout the remains of the Deutsche Bank Building.

 

[A W Smith]

Are there any 9/11 truthers who don't have mental deficits or drug problems, in your opinion?

Reading what you post, evidence leads us to believe that you ain't one of them Ms. Blevins

 

[MIKILLINI]

Can anyone suggest why they needed smoke removal equipment in a years-long dead building, the Deutsche Bank?

Can anyone suggest why the smoke removal equipment failed?

P.S. I've got my own answers, I just want to see you all try and explain this. Remember, I lived next door to the Deutsche Bank and would smell whiffs of the WTC stench occasionally when I was walking the dogs.

Here's your problem

 

[WTC Dust]

Do you have any rational reasons why I kept smelling the WTC stench 8+ years later in the immediate vicinity of the Deustche Bank? It's not the smell of burning cardboard, btw.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Do you have any rational reasons why I kept smelling the WTC stench 8+ years later in the immediate vicinity of the Deustche Bank? It's not the smell of burning cardboard, btw.

How long did you think that stench is supposed to last? Do you have an accurate scientific study of residual effect of all the burned/ unburned materials known to have existed in WTC's 1, 2, 5, 7, and the Duestche bank? How about a study on how long these residuals would last under average weather conditions?

The clues are in the questions. The answers are in researched details.

 

[WTC Dust]

Tracy won't give a direct, convincing argument on technical questions. She ignores them and the research needed to answer detailed questions. She'll repeat whatever is in Judy Woods book or throw in something completely off base from what you asked about. She does no research outside of Judy's book, other than walking outside around "ground zero" and making general, non-researched claims.

She appears to be a copy-cat of Judy:They deflect responsibility for their claims by not accepting detailed evidence that proves them wrong.

I'm not a copy cat of Judy Wood. I'm a fan of the truth, whoever is telling it. In this case, it happens to be her.

 

[WTC Dust]

She didn't conceal the fact that she was controlling for the force. She explicitly stated so. She didn't disregard momentum transfer. Rather, she set the value of momentum transfer equal to zero in order to investigate the timing alone.

Textbooks and teachers of basic physics often present problems and thought experiments involving colliding billiard balls, specifically because the familiar behavior of billiard balls is such a good example of momentum transfer in inelastic collisions, as a result of forces exchanged between the balls when they collide.

Judy Wood chooses to use them in the thought experiment, but disregards the forces they exchange when they collide (and thereby, disregarding conservation of momentum which is a fundamental and inescapable physical phenomenon). I admit that is ingenious -- but only for its potential to deceive, like an ingenious stage magic trick or con game whose cleverness we can appreciate but we must not allow to be used to victimize us.

By referring to her hypothetical falling objects as billiard balls, which are usually invoked to describe instances of momentum transfer, Judy Wood conceals the fact that she is presenting false conclusions by utterly disregarding momentum transfer.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Dash80]

I'm not a copy cat of Judy Wood. I'm a fan of the truth, whoever is telling it. In this case, it happens to be her.

Great, so you CAN answer my questions concerning cyclonic storms and a connection to the WTC?

 

[swright777]

She didn't conceal the fact that she was controlling for the force. She explicitly stated so. She didn't disregard momentum transfer. Rather, she set the value of momentum transfer equal to zero in order to investigate the timing alone.

She didn't disregard it, she set it to zero.

 

[dafydd]

She didn't disregard it, she set it to zero.

Amazing, just amazing. I didn't kill that guy, I only deprived him of his life. And WTCDust wonders why Judy is a laughing stock.

 

[Dash80]

She didn't disregard it, she set it to zero.

Reminds me of this meme: