Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

[Myriad]

She didn't conceal the fact that she was controlling for the force. She explicitly stated so. She didn't disregard momentum transfer. Rather, she set the value of momentum transfer equal to zero in order to investigate the timing alone.

Ah, so you agree she knowingly makes an entirely invalid argument.

If a financial officer of a corporation said, "We didn't disregard losses, we set the value of cost of operations to zero in order to investigate the profit alone," and had actually done so, he or she would go to prison.

There's nothing criminal about perpetrating the exact same kind of deception in a casual scientific argument, but it's every bit as fraudulent, and (because a lot of barely scientifically literate people are not aware that momentum transfer is never zero in any real-world collision) rather more deceptive.

Fortunately, no one in a position to actually alter the historical narrative of 9/11 will fall for the deception, so no harm is done.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[George 152]

There is nothing to consider...you are wrong...just admit it and move on...

Another conspiracists character "flaw"...they have great difficulity admitting error.

If that ever happens she'll leave for a more gullible audience.
One can but hope

 

[MarkCorrigan]

She didn't conceal the fact that she was controlling for the force. She explicitly stated so. She didn't disregard momentum transfer. Rather, she set the value of momentum transfer equal to zero in order to investigate the timing alone.

So what you're saying is that Judy Wood is so monumentally stupid/insane that she decides she can just delete parts of equations that she doesn't like and assume that the equation will still work as normal?

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Do you have any rational reasons why I kept smelling the WTC stench 8+ years later in the immediate vicinity of the Deustche Bank? It's not the smell of burning cardboard, btw.

Where did your dog crap?

I worked within FEET of the Deutche Bank (W Hotel) for several months in 2009 and in 10 during construction and opening. I was there very early in the morning and left very late in the evening. Never did I smell anything out of the ordinary.

 

[fess]

Do you have any rational reasons why I kept smelling the WTC stench 8+ years later in the immediate vicinity of the Deustche Bank? It's not the smell of burning cardboard, btw.

Are you sure that the stench you smelled was actually from the WTC? Could it have been from another source?

How many showers did you take during that time period?

 

[Dash80]

Is it just me or is anyone else reading the thread title as:

Nobody's Paying Attention to me, ME , ME!

 

[MIKILLINI]

Is it just me or is anyone else reading the thread title as:

Nobody's Paying Attention to me, ME , ME!

You've caught on Dash, Tracy loves the attention...I realized this early on with her, but yet I keep feeding her need. My hope is that maybe, just maybe, if I keep showing the error of her arguments, she may be "naturally" enlightened. It seems that she doesn't care or want to learn what real evidence is; Virtually every time she is shown real evidence, it becomes "Well that isn't what I think"
because that isn't what Judy Wood thinks.

Real evidence proves Judy as disingenuous in her hypothesis: She argues for these wild, exotic, directed energy weapons that couldn't exist with even today's technology. That ridiculous cartoon of Tracys' is a prime example of how she worships Judy and makes light of Judy's hypothesis.
I'm beginning to lose patience with Tracy being obtuse and unwilling to learn anything, because she craves the attention. It's sad that such a pretty lady has to resort to this in order to get noticed.

 

[leftysergeant]

Do you have any rational reasons why I kept smelling the WTC stench 8+ years later in the immediate vicinity of the Deustche Bank? It's not the smell of burning cardboard, btw.

Is there any smell of Stachybotris in what you smell? That stuff grows madly if it gets a foothold. That was a basic reason that in the laws God gave to Moses, a mildewed house that couldn't be cleaned had to be torn down and none of the materials could be recycled for construction purposes. It can cause brain damage if you are exposed to enough of it.

 

[Craig4]

Is it just me or is anyone else reading the thread title as:

Nobody's Paying Attention to me, ME , ME!

Pretty much.

 

[A W Smith]

Is there any smell of Stachybotris in what you smell? That stuff grows madly if it gets a foothold. That was a basic reason that in the laws God gave to Moses, a mildewed house that couldn't be cleaned had to be torn down and none of the materials could be recycled for construction purposes. It can cause brain damage if you are exposed to enough of it.

what does she smell? Probably not Stachybotris, Shes showing symptoms of huffing Naegleria fowleri.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Hmm...

E = mc²
Set c = 0 and...

E = 0

Wow. That makes things so much easier. I wonder why real scientists don't do this sort of thing more often.

 

[alienentity]

She can't make the connection because there isn't one. She can look at a few pictures of tornado/hurricane damage and claim it looks "strange" or "similar"

I can do that, it's easy. Post a picture of a piece of wood embedded in something from a tornado aftermath and a plane part embedded in WTC facade (the picture you no-planers avoid like plague), and claim it's related.

Judy Wood isn't even on the same planet as the guys at Mythbusters, in terms of verifying ideas. Instead of taking an argument from incredulity or a bare assertion at face value, as Dr Wood frequently does, the Mythbuster guys have tested the idea of tornados propelling various objects like straw and impaling trees. That's one example they tested
According to them, while the straw failed to penetrate right thru the wood, it did manage to embed itself about two inches.
There are a number of private companies which test and manufacture tornado-resistant structures and materials, and some of these tests involve firing 2x4 wood studs at high speeds. It is completely factual that many common building types can be penetrated by these studs even when they're fired at only 50mph.

According to a number of these manufacturers FEMA has a test standard for above-ground storm shelters.
'FEMA 320 guidelines for above ground residential storm shelters. These door assemblies are designed to withstand tornado force winds and to resist missile penetration by flying debris in order to protect occupants from injury.

FEMA 320 Test Criteria:
The tornado test criterion uses a 15-lb., 2x4 inch wood board traveling horizontally at 100-mph, which corresponds to a 250-mph wind. Shelter doors are impacted by three missiles in different and vulnerable locations. In addition, the static portion of the test requires door assemblies to withstand a static pressure of 1.37-psi for a 5 second period. FEMA 320 door assemblies are mounted as an in-swing orientation and are impacted away from the door stops.'

Never have I heard Judy Wood discuss any of these standards and tests in her interviews. I haven't bothered to purchase her latest book in order to find out whether she's actually researched the subject, but I'm highly doubtful that she has, based on her ridiculous statements on it. She seems to labour under the notion that such penetrations are not caused by high winds (proven in lab tests) but instead by some kind of molecular dissociation caused by electromagnetic interference of an unspecified nature.

 

[calebprime]

I think some, like 1234TruthSeeker (Ace Baker) are quite bright, but operate in some kind of strange bubble. I think that his bubble consists of living in an artificial environment and being something of a child prodigy, and having a (separate) powerful reason to resent the world. Quite lucid in some ways. Quite resistent to reality in others.

I think the desire to be a bright contrarian can be the main factor for some.

Think: Lynn Margulis. Kary Mullis. Peter Duesberg. John Nash.

Really, really wrong about a lot of things, right about some things.

Two corrections:

I'm pretty sure Ace Baker's handle was TruthSeeker1234, not what I posted.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that my list of contrarian scientists -- to which I'd also add John Lilly -- was a list of Truthers.

It was intended to be a list of bright scientists who did some important work, but took up contrarian positions that were wrong -- in fact, positions that were almost perverse in retrospect.

And my point was not about the specifics of their lives. It was that the desire to be a contrarian seems to be a powerful motivation, and that it leads some bright people to dig in their heels about issues where they are wrong.

Nash was a weak example because of his mental illness, but I gather that he was always something of a contrarian before he became really delusional.

Beyond the specifics of my post, though, is the simple point that anyone, no matter how bright, can be wrong. The people I listed were the interesting cases. Independence of mind has its strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Dash80]

Judy Wood isn't even on the same planet as the guys at Mythbusters, in terms of verifying ideas. Instead of taking an argument from incredulity or a bare assertion at face value, as Dr Wood frequently does, the Mythbuster guys have tested the idea of tornados propelling various objects like straw and impaling trees. That's one example they tested
According to them, while the straw failed to penetrate right thru the wood, it did manage to embed itself about two inches.
There are a number of private companies which test and manufacture tornado-resistant structures and materials, and some of these tests involve firing 2x4 wood studs at high speeds. It is completely factual that many common building types can be penetrated by these studs even when they're fired at only 50mph.

According to a number of these manufacturers FEMA has a test standard for above-ground storm shelters.
'FEMA 320 guidelines for above ground residential storm shelters. These door assemblies are designed to withstand tornado force winds and to resist missile penetration by flying debris in order to protect occupants from injury.

FEMA 320 Test Criteria:
The tornado test criterion uses a 15-lb., 2x4 inch wood board traveling horizontally at 100-mph, which corresponds to a 250-mph wind. Shelter doors are impacted by three missiles in different and vulnerable locations. In addition, the static portion of the test requires door assemblies to withstand a static pressure of 1.37-psi for a 5 second period. FEMA 320 door assemblies are mounted as an in-swing orientation and are impacted away from the door stops.'

Never have I heard Judy Wood discuss any of these standards and tests in her interviews. I haven't bothered to purchase her latest book in order to find out whether she's actually researched the subject, but I'm highly doubtful that she has, based on her ridiculous statements on it. She seems to labour under the notion that such penetrations are not caused by high winds (proven in lab tests) but instead by some kind of molecular dissociation caused by electromagnetic interference of an unspecified nature.

Nope, she just looks at some pictures and calls them strange.

Wonder what she thinks caused this:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/176028.jpg

Edited by LashL: 

Changed hotlink to regular link. Please see Rule 5.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Here is a picture of the repaired Deutsche Bank, before they decided to deconstruct it.

An error or a lie, Dusty. Which one? The article on the 2007 fire clearly states that the building was being deconstructed from the top down and they'd already proceeded quite a way. It was decided years before to deconstruct.

This is an error or a lie. Which one? You tell us.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Here's a picture of the strange fire of 2007. There was nothing inside these buildings, by the way. It was almost empty floors, a steel framework, and a mesh covering with outside scaffolding at the time of the fire. Nothing TO catch fire inside, certainly not this serious and fatal fire.

No, there was lots in the building. Once again,... being deconstructed from the top down. They used the floors immediately below the floors they were deconstructing as a staging area for the work going on above. Per several articles there was a whole lot of combustible material on those floors.

Your attention-seeking is getting desperate. As fast as you post your nonsense, someone refutes it and then someone else refutes it a second time. Everyone (except MM) can see how wrong you are.

Again,... Is this an error or a lie? You can tell us.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Nope, she just looks at some pictures and calls them strange.

Wonder what she thinks caused this:

[qimg]http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/176028.jpg[/qimg]

Last year a truther tried to imply this photograph was a staged scene. Can't remember who it was, but they were shown to be foolish when it was pointed out this picture came from the tornado damage in Joplin, Missouri.

 

[WTC Dust]

I think some, like 1234TruthSeeker (Ace Baker) are quite bright, but operate in some kind of strange bubble. I think that his bubble consists of living in an artificial environment and being something of a child prodigy, and having a (separate) powerful reason to resent the world. Quite lucid in some ways. Quite resistent to reality in others.

I think the desire to be a bright contrarian can be the main factor for some.

Think: Lynn Margulis. Kary Mullis. Peter Duesberg. John Nash.

Really, really wrong about a lot of things, right about some things.

Thank you for the response. I'd like to know what these sane individuals were right about, in your opinion.

 

[WTC Dust]

You didn't show me any particular kindness or respect, so it will be interesting to see what happens now that you say that you've lost patience.
You become a beachnut?

You've caught on Dash, Tracy loves the attention...I realized this early on with her, but yet I keep feeding her need. My hope is that maybe, just maybe, if I keep showing the error of her arguments, she may be "naturally" enlightened. It seems that she doesn't care or want to learn what real evidence is; Virtually every time she is shown real evidence, it becomes "Well that isn't what I think"
because that isn't what Judy Wood thinks.

Real evidence proves Judy as disingenuous in her hypothesis: She argues for these wild, exotic, directed energy weapons that couldn't exist with even today's technology. That ridiculous cartoon of Tracys' is a prime example of how she worships Judy and makes light of Judy's hypothesis.
I'm beginning to lose patience with Tracy being obtuse and unwilling to learn anything, because she craves the attention. It's sad that such a pretty lady has to resort to this in order to get noticed.

 

[WTC Dust]

An error or a lie, Dusty. Which one? The article on the 2007 fire clearly states that the building was being deconstructed from the top down and they'd already proceeded quite a way. It was decided years before to deconstruct.

This is an error or a lie. Which one? You tell us.

What isn't in doubt is that they REPAIRED the building and THEN decided to deconstruct it. That is strange. That is also compatible with a "non-self quenching" mechanism. That is also compatible with me smelling the stench as late as 2009.