9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

Could you elaborate on this? Are you saying that people have been digging there as early as 1947? Link?

You have a lot to read

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You have a lot to read

He hasn't read the Krege "Report" either! He didn't know the conclusions!

 

[Think_Tank]

Mr I. Hertz, no doubt Jewish himself. I gave you the source. Why would he lie?

I apologies for the delay in posting this. My irony meter exploded with such force that I was hospitalised for a couple of days.

 

[Trojan]

Waaait a minute, I just found Krege's site ('report') back I had seen many years ago:

http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Krege62-64.html

This is what I meant all along.

Photo of Krege doing a lecture: http://judicial-inc.biz/Trebli6.jpg

Is there an English version? Why did Krege not publish in English?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Excellent, wonderful news! More attention for holocaust revisionism, now that a bishop no less, is prosecuted for his views on the holocaust tale:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...illiamson-trial-Germany-Holocaust-denial.html

British bishop Richard Williamson to go on trial in Germany for Holocaust denial

British Holocaust-denying bishop Richard Williamson faces trial in Germany for an outspoken TV interview in which he denied that the wartime extermination of the Jews took place.

He is to appeal, paving the way for a full hearing which could prove highly embarrassing for the church once more - even though Williamson can absent himself from proceedings to be represented just by his lawyer.

In the controversial interview, Williamson alleged that Nazi gas chambers had never existed and 'only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews' had been killed by the Nazis.

He went on to claim that historical evidence was 'hugely against six million having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler... I believe there were no gas chambers.'


Correction, dear bishop, 200,000-300,000 died in the camps, where not murdered.

As a consequence ever more people will want to read about the event and find out what causes all this fuzz. That's the way it started with me.

Maybe the bishop wants to be a martyrer and turns himself in to go to jail. What a prospect.

There is something in the air
Oh, there is something in the air
There is something in the air
Oh yeah

Deep within your mind you have been blind
Look around and find
There's something in the air

 

[Nonpareil]

Oh, look. 9/11-investigator is pretending that nothing has happened now that his argument has been completely destroyed. Never seen that before.

 

[TSR]

...yet another attempt at derail snipped...

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For the record, I am against Holocaust denial laws.

Of course, I am *for* laws which would prevent deniers like 9/11 from running away from their lies

We're still waiting for you to detail Krege's expertise in the use of and interpretation of the results from a GPR survey, and how this can be reconciled to the bomb craters and agriculture known to be on site, but which Krege was completely unable to locate...
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[Nonpareil]

Guys, I think it may be time to let this thread die. 9/11-investigator has no desire to participate in an actual debate. He's running in circles, bringing up the same topics over and over after they've been debunked repeatedly before. He refuses to admit that the very basis of his argument is faulty. He constantly attempts to derail the thread when he is pressed. In short, nothing new is coming from this thread, and there is no chance that we will get through to him.
I propose that we all abandon ship. We can meet up at Smoothie King in a hour. I'll buy.

 

[Thunder]

this thread is itself, a crime against humanity.

 

[9/11-investigator]

this thread is itself, a crime against humanity.

Freely discussing a topic with arguments pro and con is a quintessential element of the greatness of European civilization.

A crime against humanity would be to advocate violence against a group. But that is not the case. We try to find out what really happened between 1940-45, without having to rely on war propaganda. Certainly not war propaganda by the largest criminals ever living on the face of this earth: the Soviets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

 

[Thunder]

Certainly not war propaganda by the largest criminals ever living on the face of this earth: the Soviets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

I say again, this entire thread is a crime against humanity.

 

[Nonpareil]

Okay, yes, this thread officially now consists of nothing but derails, with no relevant information whatsoever.

I'm outta here. See you guys later. Remember, the smoothie offer is still open.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You are a very strange person. The conclusions of the Krege report conclude.....

"Ergebnis

GEFUNDEN:

Der Boden besteht zum größten Teil aus unberührter Erde, Sand und Steinen. Die Bäume sind älter als 50 Jahre.

NICHT GEFUNDEN:

Massengräber, Einzelgräber, Knochenreste, Menschenasche, Holzasche, Bodenunebenheiten, Bauelemente oder Baumüll, Baumüberreste oder Baumstümpfe, Höhlen oder Hohlräume, Goldzähne.

Which means in English means "Conclusions.... NOT FOUND: Skeletal remains, human ashes, wood ashes, ground disturbance, components or building dust, tree stumps from firewood, grave holes, gold teeth.

Are you saying Krege was not looking for the things he made a specific conclusion about? Have you actually read the Krege Report? It's obvious you haven't.

Is it so difficult to understand that he went to Treblinka to scan the soil and next to analyze his findings at home? He obviously wanted to research the holocaust aspects of the camp and the presence of huge mass graves (870,000 people). At home he looks at the images and draws the conclusion: there are no signs of mass graves. In the first place you want to establish the easiest verifiable matter: was there a grave at all? And if you find that the soil was largely undisturbed than you have already drawn your most important conclusions being there was no mass grave.

 

[Trojan]

Is it so difficult to understand that he went to Treblinka to scan the soil and next to analyze his findings at home? He obviously wanted to research the holocaust aspects of the camp and the presence of huge mass graves (870,000 people). At home he looks at the images and draws the conclusion: there are no signs of mass graves. In the first place you want to establish the easiest verifiable matter: was there a grave at all? And if you find that the soil was largely undisturbed than you have already drawn your most important conclusions being there was no mass grave.

Is this report available in English? Krege's Australian.

I think you analysis has been spot off so far -- you thought Krege packed along a GPR, I showed how it was rented and who financed it. You think the soil is undisturbed when we know it was disturbed -- it certainly was farmed.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Is it so difficult to understand that he went to Treblinka to scan the soil and next to analyze his findings at home? He obviously wanted to research the holocaust aspects of the camp and the presence of huge mass graves (870,000 people). At home he looks at the images and draws the conclusion: there are no signs of mass graves. In the first place you want to establish the easiest verifiable matter: was there a grave at all? And if you find that the soil was largely undisturbed than you have already drawn your most important conclusions being there was no mass grave.

I now realise that you are not actually reading anything we post or your own evidence.

You said Krege was not looking for human ash or teeth.
I have shown you Krege's specific conclusions about human ash and teeth.

You say Krege found no evidence the ground was disturbed
We have posted the previous investigations where craters 5 meteres deep
were used but Krege didn't notice these craters! If Krege did not know the amplitude variances between ash, sand or soil then how did he reach his conclusion there was no human ash?

 

[Ignorantbystander]

I wanted to say; could someone turn of the lights please, since I thought the embarrasment for 9/11investigator would be too much for him to continue the thread.

yet, somehow I knew he would return. with an irrelevant issue of course...
the guy really has no shame (or dignity)

Pure Argent is right, this is futile...
Or should we wait for some other CT-ers who claim that investigator must be a shill to make revisionism look stupid, and have some more fun.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I am not submitting a scientific report to you am I? If I was I would also need to include citations, an abstract, the university to which I submitted my paper and the peer review it has withstood. That's how I did things at Anthropological Prehistory at Sydney university for digs.

Aha, a Boasian. No surprises here.

 

[Thunder]

I now realise that you are not actually reading anything we post or your own evidence.

pretty much. is there a way we can PM everyone who participates in this thread and ask them that we let this die?

the longer this thread goes without a new post, the farther it will go down the list, until it fades into memory.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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No, Germar got fired for unauthorized use of his employer's name to publish his crap, implying that it had their approval.
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You know very well that that was just a pretext:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/persecute/outlawed.html

Rudolf had neglected to ask his doctoral supervisor for permission to enter the Institute. The following day he was asked to accept termination of his employment contract without notice. The justification for this was primarily that Rudolf had sent letters on stationary with the Max-Planck-Institute letterhead while working on the Report. Rudolf had privately engaged the Fresenius Institute to analyze the wall samples from Auschwitz for traces of cyanide. But when the Fresenius Institute was already working on his samples in Rudolf’s presence, he handed in a letter typed on a letter head of his employer with a detailed specification of the work to be conducted by the Fresenius Institute and a detailed description of the samples. Though the unauthorized use of official letterheads for private purposes was widespread at the Max-Planck-Institute at the time, in Rudolf’s case it became a no-no. It was this use of Institute letterhead, about which the management of the Institute first became aware through news reports,[16] that established the connection of the Institute with the Rudolf Report.

Apparently because of the failure of the MPG to respond to the intercession of I. Bubis (see above), on June 22, 1993, the Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland (Central Council of Jews in Germany) felt it necessary to notify the President of the MPG that he was expected to take appropriate measures to restrict the activities of Report researcher Germar Rudolf. On July 14, 1993, the President of the MPG informed the Central Council that the MPG had no further responsibility for the activities of Herr Rudolf, since he had been fired.

The subsequent labor court proceeding instituted by Rudolf against the Max-Planck-Institute with respect to his termination without notice turned on the question, whether the generally-practiced and in his case already known infraction "private use of official letterhead" could be used as grounds for dismissal without notice when the Auschwitz issue was mixed in. Labor court judge Stolz made it clear that an employer could dismiss an employee anytime who held such views as the plaintiff Germar Rudolf. This amounts to the principle that Rudolf and others who think like him are outlaws with respect to the labor law. For reasons of social concern, the Max-Planck-Institute offered to make an agreement with the plaintiff out of court, by which the termination without notice would be revoked and at the same time replaced by a mutual agreement that the employment contract would be terminated, barring further recourse.

 

[9/11-investigator]

He hasn't read the Krege "Report" either! He didn't know the conclusions!

It was probably me who brought up Krege in this thread in the first place but I had not a clue what his conclusions were.

I believe it had something to do with production methods of ice cream on a sticky.