9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Belz...]

I would agree with that the PNAC crowd desired that war and hence made an invasion happen (by organizing 9/11)

Well, it's not that your screen name here didn't herald that, but I'm not surprised that your "effective debunker" talents are also used for another conspiracy theory.

 

[Trojan]

In 1942 Jews from Belgium, Netherlands and France arrived by train in Lvov (Lviv), Ukraine, according to testimony of the eyewitness I.

Wait, so now you trust a Russian eyewitness? A single witness?

Who is the witness, what are his exact words, how was his statement extracted? Was it under oath, subject to cross examination? I think you need to explain these questions before basing a claim on a SINGLE eyewitness.

 

[9/11-investigator]

More from the same article about deportations:

In addition, some surviving German wartime documents also refer to the deportation of western European Jews to the occupied Soviet territories. On August 28, 1942, an SS conference on "the Jewish question" was held in Berlin, at which specific problems arising from the deportations were discussed. The official record of the conference included the following on deportations of stateless Jews from France:[note 30]

During the course of the discussion, SS Lt. Colonel [Obersturmbannführer] Eichmann made known that the current evacuation problem (deportation of the stateless Jews) should be concluded by the end of this calendar year. The end of June 1943 is anticipated as a deadline for the deportation of the remaining foreign Jews ... Eichmann requested the immediate purchase of the barracks that had been ordered by the Commander of the Security Police in the Hague [Netherlands]. That camp is to be built in Russia. The transport of the barracks can be arranged so that three to five barracks can be taken along with each transport train.

That's 8 months after Wannsee.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Wait, so now you trust a Russian eyewitness? A single witness?

Who is the witness, what are his exact words, how was his statement extracted? Was it under oath, subject to cross examination? I think you need to explain these questions before basing a claim on a SINGLE eyewitness.

Mr I. Hertz, no doubt Jewish himself. I gave you the source. Why would he lie? At the moment he probably had not taken notice of the 'truth' as established by the victorious allies in Nuremberg.

 

[Belz...]

So why would the Germans change their minds in 1941/1942 while they were still in the winning mood and had new vast territories at their disposal to catapult the Jews into rather than Madagaskar or Palestine?

It may have had something to do with the fact that after December 1941 everybody knew things were not going to end well for the Reich.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It may have had something to do with the fact that after December 1941 everybody knew things were not going to end well for the Reich.

Not true. Leningrad was still sieged in early 1944.
Generally Stalingrad is seen as the turning point of the war.

Feb 1943.

01:40 in Amsterdam.
Early up tomorrow.
Goodnight.

 

[Trojan]

Possibly, I don't know. Why not take this Draper character who did the beasting by his word? Or Hoess himself who confides that 'he couldn't take it anymore'.

When did Draper admit to the beasting of Hoess? And your souce has best be better than a story written by FAURISSON.

 

[Trojan]

Mr I. Hertz, no doubt Jewish himself. I gave you the source. Why would he lie? At the moment he probably had not taken notice of the 'truth' as established by the victorious allies in Nuremberg.

That is a hearsay statement, it is not the statement of the witness, is second hand paraphrasing. I want to see the statement and know how it was obtained. No cutting corners now, you were on a roll ...

 

[Nonpareil]

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-4_Graf.html

Interesting article. There is more than just the 8,000 Parisian Jews mentioned earlier:

In 1942 Jews from Belgium, Netherlands and France arrived by train in Lvov (Lviv), Ukraine, according to testimony of the eyewitness I. Hertz provided in 1946 by the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee of the USSR.[note 28]

28. The Jewish Black Book Comm., The Black Book: The Nazi Crime Against the Jewish People (New York: 1946), pp. 198, 531 (n. 228). Cited in: E. Aynat, Estudios sobre el "Holocausto" (cited above), p. 58.

The IHR is not a legitimate source. Why do you persist in using it as such?

Possibly, I don't know. Why not take this Draper character who did the beasting by his word? Or Hoess himself who confides that 'he couldn't take it anymore'.

Neither said that.

 

[Belz...]

Take a good look at this picture:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,973131,00.jpg

Hoess (middle/front with cigaret).

Study the eyes and facial expression of this man, use your intuition and instinctively know.

Auschwitz SS-officers. They look very relaxed. Completely incompatible with the deads they allegedly were doing.

Is that how you investigate this subject ? Instinct ? You look at pictures and "feel" the answer ?

I do believe you're an exception to rule 12. Perhaps _some_ arguers should be "attacked", rather than their arguments.

 

[Belz...]

And Auf Wiedersehen to you to Godless Socialist.
Ignore.

Amazing. You just keep making things up as you go.

You live in a world all your own, methinks.

 

[Belz...]

Not true. Leningrad was still sieged in early 1944.

Yes, but some short-sighted bloke in Japan had awakened a giant by then.

 

[Arkyrion]

How many times must we reassert to you that the IHR is, in fact, not a credible source?

And I find it positively hysterical that you put Pure Argent on ignore without responding to even a quarter of the points he brought up.

 

[Nonpareil]

Amazing. You just keep making things up as you go.

You live in a world all your own, methinks.

I'm pretty sure that you're not the only one methinking so.

 

[Belz...]

Conclusion: everything points towards deportation as an official policy.

Except that there's no evidence of it actually happening.

 

[Belz...]

No, they just know when to shut up:.

Are you seriously implying that every historian and related specialist is being bullied ? By WHOM ? A million-strong secret cabal of enforcers ?

No, just uninterested, lazy, cowardly, dumb, wanting a comfortable life as accepted part of the crowd.

So, in other words, they aren't you ?

 

[Arkyrion]

Fascinating. A self-styled ubermensch who refuses to believe that anyone beside himself could possibly be right about anything and insults them viciously when they dare to disagree.

Never seen that before.

And for the last time, back up your assertions with a source that holds water or go home.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

During the course of the discussion, SS Lt. Colonel [Obersturmbannführer] Eichmann made known that the current evacuation problem (deportation of the stateless Jews) should be concluded by the end of this calendar year. The end of June 1943 is anticipated as a deadline for the deportation of the remaining foreign Jews ... Eichmann requested the immediate purchase of the barracks that had been ordered by the Commander of the Security Police in the Hague [Netherlands]. That camp is to be built in Russia. The transport of the barracks can be arranged so that three to five barracks can be taken along with each transport train.[/I]

That's 8 months after Wannsee.

You are telling fibs again. The speech you quoted was only concerning jews from France. You edited that bit out.

Facsimile in: J.-M. Boisdefeu, La Controverse sur L'extermination des juifs par les Allemands (cited above), Tome II, pp. 78-80. This report is Nuremberg document NG-1965 (RF-1228), and document XXVI-59 of the Centre de Documentation juive contemporaine (Paris)

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I am saying they tortured him to extract a confession from him about 3,000,000 people killed. I repeat: 3,000,000, a ridiculous number.

The article confirms that Wolzek does not exist but that he 'proably meant' Sobibor. Why is that so? Is that a nick name?

No, he gave the camp location in

"Testimony of Rudolf Hoess Taken at Nurnberg Germany on 1 April 1946.
There were three camps: first Treblinka, Belzak (sic) near Lemberg
[Lvov] and the third one was 40 kilometers in the direction of Kulm
[Chelm]. It was past Kulm in an easterly direction." A couple km east of Chelm, a track branches off to the north-northeast. Approximately 40km from Chelm along that branch is a village slightly to the east of the track.
Its name? Sobibor.

 

[Amazer]

So far it is mainly me producing the original documents. Like this one:

http://i40.tinypic.com/xfzfc.jpg
Volume 13 of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal (NMT) publications, document NG-2586-J, a memo by Martin Luther on August 21, 1942 about the Jewish policy of the Reich mentions nothing about extermination; point number 8:

"On the occasion of a reception by the Reich Foreign Minister on 26 November 1941 the Bulgarian Foreign Minister Popoff touched on the problem of according like treatment to the Jews of European nationalities and pointed out the difficulties that the Bulgarians had in the application of their Jewish laws to Jews of foreign nationality."
"The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much."

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Franz Rademacher, Head of AA Referat D III (Jewish Affairs), to Harold Bielfeld, Head of AA Pol. X (Africa and Colonial Affairs), February 10, 1942

In August 1940 I gave you for your files the plan for the final solution of the Jewish Problem, drafted by my office, for which purpose the Madagascar Island was to be demanded from France in the Peace Treaty, while the Reich Security Main Office was to be charged with the actual execution of the task.

In accordance with the plan, Gruppenführer Heydrich has been ordered by the Führer to carry out the solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe. In the meantime the war against the Soviet Union has offered the possibility of putting other territories at our disposal for the final solution.

The Führer accordingly has decided that the Jews shall not be deported to Madagascar but to the East. Therefore it is no longer necessary that Madagascar be taken into consideration for the final solution.

Source:
Akten zur Deutschen Auswärtigen Politik 1918-1945, Series E, vol. I, p. 403. Herbert A. Strauss, General Editor, "Jewish Immigrants of the Nazi Period in the USA" Vol. 4 - Jewish Emigration from Germany 1933-1942: A Documentary History

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Conclusion: everything points towards deportation as an official policy.

Okay, I will provisionally accept that resettlement in the east was the Official Policy of the Third Reich IF:

You provide evidence that Jews were resettled in the East in significant numbers. A list of names and places that they were resettled in will do for a start.

Don't post non-evidence like you did before about some Jews being temporarily deposited in ghettos in Poland.

Should be a breeze for you...