9/11: How they Faked the Videos

[yankee451]

You are doing a good job of ignoring my question which is directly about the evidence.

Use this for your hypothetical thought experiment.

 

[yankee451]

You do not have prima facie evidence. You have ad hoc speculation based on nothing more than your person interpretation of photographs.

Photographs I'm surprised you don't consider to be photoshopped or otherwise manipulated. Hell, what exactly IS your justification that those photos you use to argue your point are in any way legitimate in the first place, given that you claim video evidence not?

I see. So you think the photographs of all the damage evidence was doctored to make it look like the lateral impact of small projectiles, rather than what they were showing on television. Your logic gives me chills.

 

[beachnut]

Be outraged! It's easier than thinking.

Why would I be outraged about someone making up the dumbest lies lies, and mock the murder of thousands.

Who did your fantasy version of 9/11?

You can't grasp physics.

I was on active duty on 9/11 and find your claims to be false, and an insult to all Americans. You live in a fantasy world based on ignorance and hate of others, and those who died on 9/11.

 

[Robin]

Use this for your hypothetical thought experiment.

You will do anything to avoid answering my question, won't you?

I could do it for real, but I want to find out what you think would happen.

You are saying that unless the aluminium cladding is sliced all the way through, including the parts around the sides, there won't be any damage to the steel square section?

(Edit: I can add a layer of fire retardant between my aluminium and steel if you like, just name the material)

 

[beachnut]

Use this for your hypothetical thought experiment. ...

Here you go a few of the thousands killed on 9/11, and you make up lies about missiles.

Vincent Paul Abate, 40, Brooklyn, N.Y., Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Laurence Christopher Abel, 37, New York City, Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Alona Abraham, 30, Ashdod, Israel, Passenger, United 175, World Trade Center.

William F. Abrahamson, 55, Westchester County, N.Y., Marsh&McLennan Companies, Inc., World Trade Center.

Richard Anthony Aceto, 42, Marsh&McLennan Companies, Inc., World Trade Center.

Heinrich Bernhard Ackermann, 38, Aon Corporation, World Trade Center.

Paul Acquaviva, 29, Glen Rock, N.J., Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Christian Adams, 37, Passenger, United 93, Shanksville, Pa.

Donald LaRoy Adams, 28, Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Lives ended by 19 failed humans who hated American, and you make up lies.


And here some at the end of the alphabet...

Zhe Zeng, 28, Bank of New York, World Trade Center.

Marc Scott Zeplin, 33, Westchester, N.Y., Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Jie Yao Justin Zhao, 27, New York City, CompuCom Systems, Inc., World Trade Center.

Yuguang Zheng, Passenger, American 77, Pentagon.

Ivelin Ziminski, 41, Tarrytown, N.Y., Marsh&McLennan Companies, Inc., World Trade Center.

Michael Joseph Zinzi, 37, Newfoundland, N.J., Marsh&McLennan Companies, Inc., World Trade Center.

Charles Alan Zion, 54, Greenwich, Conn., Cantor Fitzgerald, World Trade Center.

Julie Lynne Zipper, 44, Paramus, N.J., Sandler O'Neill visitor from SunGard Data Systems, Inc., World Trade Center.

Salvatore J. Zisa, 45, Hawthorne, N.J., Marsh&McLennan Companies, Inc., World Trade Center.

Prokopios Paul Zois, 46, Lynbrook, N.Y., Marsh&McLennan consultant from American Express, World Trade Center.

Joseph J. Zuccala, 54, Croton-on-Hudson, N.Y., Fuji Bank, Ltd., World Trade Center.

Andrew Steven Zucker, 27, Riverdale, N.Y., Harris Beach LLP, World Trade Center.

Igor Zukelman, 29, Fiduciary Trust Company International, World Trade Center.


Tell me, have you told all those who knew these people, their parents, family, kids, that you know the truth?

Did you try to confirm those who were killed before spreading the dumbest lie in history? You failed to prove the videos are fake - FAILED

 

[Deadie]

I see. So you think the photographs of all the damage evidence was doctored to make it look like the lateral impact of small projectiles, rather than what they were showing on television. Your logic gives me chills.

What? No, if I was going to expend the time, effort and energy to create fantastically amazing CGI versions of events depicting aircraft striking the towers then I sure as hell would also manipulate, or outright create, still photographic evidence to the same effect.

 

[Deadie]

I ask again:

What exactly is your justification that those photos you use to argue your point are in any way legitimate in the first place, given that you claim video evidence not?

 

[Robin]

Use this for your hypothetical thought experiment.

You think that the wing would exert no force on the steel column unless it has "passed through" any intervening material?

Think again

 

[Robin]

So what you are saying is, that if I take a steel square section and cut and bend a sheet of aluminium to snugly fit the length of steel on three sides and then I swing a big crowbar at the front side then I would not be able to dent the steel without severing the aluminium completely? Yes?

Bumping again one of the questions yankee451 is studiously avoiding.

 

[yankee451]

Bumping again one of the questions yankee451 is studiously avoiding.

The box wasn't square, was it.

 

[curious cat]

I see. So this changes the evidence of the lateral impact of cruise missiles, how? Perhaps thousands of people did report seeing missiles, but why would the media tell us about it when they were selling us planes? Like all my questions you don't need to answer.

I am treating your question as any other assaulting my intelligence.

 

[ProBonoShill]

And yet until a TV was shoved in their faces, most people said they saw small planes, no planes (bombs), and missiles.

Liar

 

[Robin]

The box wasn't square, was it.

So what do you think would happen to the steel square section and aluminium cladding I am talking about? Do you think I could dent the steel square section without completely severing the aluminium?

That is the general case.

Then we can move on to find out why you think that this particular case would be different.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Those people whose existence and memories you spit on to advance your theory. Pilots, flight crew, passengers. All GONE. What happened to them in your theory?

He's gonna say:

1. They didn't exist.
2. They are conspirators and in on the plan in some capacity (crisis actors).
3. They were executed after their flights landed at secret airports shortly after takeoff. However, I do not know if he thinks those specific planes or particular flights ever existed in the first place.
4. Some combination of the above on a person to person basis.

He's actually studiously avoided answering the question ever since I first asked it way back in post 179.

Hey yankee451, If the aircraft N334AA and N612UA did not hit the WTC towers on September 11, 2001, what happened to the airframes and to the people who were aboard the flights? The people and the aircraft existed at 8:30 AM EST that day, but by 9:30 AM they were no more. What happened to them?

 

[Robin]

yankee451,

Maybe use this one

So your contention is that the aluminium wing spar could not exert any force on the steel column until it has "passed through" the aluminium cladding, yes?

 

[BStrong]

I see. So this changes the evidence of the lateral impact of cruise missiles, how? Perhaps thousands of people did report seeing missiles, but why would the media tell us about it when they were selling us planes? Like all my questions delusions you don't need to answer.

If you repeat that phrase three times and click your heels you'll be invisible to
dogs, thereby avoiding being watered.

FIFY

 

[smartcooky]

“Assume thousands of people?”

The population of the five boroughs in 2001 was a touch over eight million. Following the impact of the first airplane, there was time for more than a few of them, even those at work or otherwise not usually looking at the twin towers (plus tourists, students, workers and other non residents either on foot, on ships, or in vehicles) to be hard focused on the spot. Maybe you’ve never been to NYC; I lived there, and the towers were a common visual reference for a remarkable distance, that’s how tall they were.

But let’s be conservative and consider just those within a modest radius of, say, a half mile. I assume more than a million.

Pah! Holograms!

 

[TJM]

Most people reported planes, missiles and bombs. CNN did report a large jet. Knowing that videos can be faked, and witnesses are notoriously unreliable, luckily we can thin out what's fake and what's real by examining the damage evidence.

The last time we had a moderately strong earthquake, witnesses reported bombs, freight trains, lightning, the rapture and Godzilla.

Didn't quite work out that way, did it. Seems like people engage in hyperbole when faced with traumatizing events.

Or are you a no-quaker too?

 

[yankee451]

yankee451,

Maybe use this one
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So your contention is that the aluminium wing spar could not exert any force on the steel column until it has "passed through" the aluminium cladding, yes?

No, that's not my contention, and you know it. Before it could cut the steel, it would cut the aluminum. That's my contention. My conclusion is that it was not struck from the front, as seen in the aluminum cladding that was not cut.

 

[yankee451]

The last time we had a moderately strong earthquake, witnesses reported bombs, freight trains, lightning, the rapture and Godzilla.

Didn't quite work out that way, did it. Seems like people engage in hyperbole when faced with traumatizing events.

Or are you a no-quaker too?

Wow. So this means the steel wasn't bent sharply in a completely different direction than the mostly hollow aluminum wing was traveling.