Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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CptColumbo said:
I decided not to visit this part of the forum for a while (for Lent). I needed the break.

So, is there anything new?
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Not a single thing. The same arguments were going on two years ago as the ones today. Just some different faces doing the arguing.
 
Steven Jones and friends wrote a new garbage paper about their magical super duper nano therm*te. As it turns out, they are still frauds. But twoofer morons are really excited about it.
 
its a good idea to clean your lent screen once in awhile

Just some thread topics repeating like heartburn from last nights pepperoni pizza. Oh and Jonesie discovered that there was red paint with gray primer in the dust/debris from the wtc. Dr Greening agrees.
 
Dr. Jones has now admitted, in an email to Dr. Greening, that these years of tracking down thermite, may end up in the chemical being used ONLY as explosive FUSES...

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Dr. Jones has now admitted, in an email to Dr. Greening, that these years of tracking down thermite, may end up in the chemical being used ONLY as explosive FUSES...

TAM:)
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So he's now thinking he finally found the det cord, which was so inefficient that you can find scraps of it unexploded all throughout the WTC dust.
 
metamars said:
What gave you that idea? I think he's strongly leaning towards just the opposite conclusion.
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He says this in that thread:

"Now here lies the rub: Jone's red chips do not contain zinc, although some WTC iron-rich particles do indeed contain significant amounts of zinc. Nevertheless, zinc is essentially absent from Jones' red chips, thus it looks like these mystery particles are definitely not paint chips.

So it's back to the drawing board for those JREF debunkers....."
 
Sorry, but one of the spectra for a chip (not a spherule) shows Zinc. Many of the other Spectra show Spectra with spikes of alleged Sodium (Na) which is Extremely close to Zn on the Spectra Scale, and could infact be Zinc Spikes.

If you read most of Greening's posts, I would say he is not certain, but certainly has not given up on the paint possibility.

He has also gotten Jones to admit that all these years of thermite BS has whittled down now to a possibility that the thermite may only be present for the purpose of FUSES for conventional explosives.

TAM:)
 
not only that, but a fuse (det cord etc...) that uses a chemical that does not ignite until 415C, and is much harder to get then simple traditional fuses.

It is becoming a farce, really.

TAM:)
 
Still no inkling of a germ of an idea of how to even start to begin to figure out exactly how they could organize a new investigation has been presented or even formulated.

So nothing new, no.
 
Here are interesting articles on WTC dust analysis...

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2003/5930/5930.html
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http://nyumedicalcenter.org/environmental/research/wtc/ehp.pdf

from the abstract of the second article (the full article is in the pdf)

The content and distribution of material was indicative of a complex mixture of building debris and combustion products in the resulting plume. These three samples were composed primarily of construction materials, soot, paint (leaded and unleaded), and glass fibers (mineral wool and fiberglass). Levels of hydrocarbons indicated unburned or partially burned jet fuel, plastic, cellulose, and other materials that were ignited by the fire.
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Interestingly paint in all three samples, and a major constituent. Yet no mention of thermite, and likewise, oddly, no mention of paint product in the Jones samples in his recent paper...

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Anyone living in Missouri?

Check out some real 9/11 research/news

http://www.therolladailynews.com/ne...-World-Trade-Center-attacks-to-lecture-at-S-T

TAM:)
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MU Rolla is a good engineering school. Have several grads from there working at my company.

Missouri is the Show-Me state. That means we don't just accept what you say, you have to prove it to us. Maybe that's why I haven't ever run across a single truther in this great state. Or even in Kansas, for that matter!
 
Well JBA, if you decide to go to Curley's talk, give us a synopsis upon your return...or perhaps a video of it.


TAM:)
 
Pardalis said:
The "evidence" for explosives just keeps getting smaller and smaller doesn't it?
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parky76 said:
nano-size.

=)
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:big:

Pardalis said:
Next they'll be looking for quantum-thermite.
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:D Poe's law. Don't give them ideas!

RedIbis said:
He says this in that thread:

"Now here lies the rub: Jone's red chips do not contain zinc, although some WTC iron-rich particles do indeed contain significant amounts of zinc. Nevertheless, zinc is essentially absent from Jones' red chips, thus it looks like these mystery particles are definitely not paint chips.

So it's back to the drawing board for those JREF debunkers....."
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Figure 14 of the paper shows zinc in the chips, Dr Greening.
 
T.A.M. said:
Well JBA, if you decide to go to Curley's talk, give us a synopsis upon your return...or perhaps a video of it.


TAM:)
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I would love to, however it's all the way on the other side of the state, and down in the bootheel. Since I'm going to be travelling to Modesto, CA then also tends to lower the probability.

But this still makes it 1000 times more likely that I will attend than the likelyhood of the sanest conspiracy theory being true.

Not that I don't believe them...
 
T.A.M. said:
Red is quoting old quotes from Greening.

Greening has since realized the Zinc, and has sent an email to S. Jones stating as much, and commenting on the errors/poor science of the paper.

From the latest posting of Greening here,

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150-45.html

you can see he is far from declaring it wasn't paint...

TAM:)
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Yes he is. He also hasn't read the paper or commented in the new thread to discuss the paper. Fig 14 clearly shows the presence of Zinc as well as Chromium (ooh zinc yellow!). The big problem truthers and a few others have is they think that all of the samples are the same - I've proven that they are not.

Sample in the MEK test is paint that is not of the same composition as the paint in samples a,b,c,d or the odd sample shown in Fig 31.

There are so many things wrong with the paper from combusting the material in an air environment in the DSC when an inert atmosphere should have been used because the thermite reaction does not use air for it's source of Oxygen (that's what the Fe2O3 is for) to the unknown paint sample tested with MEK. It's a dog's breakfast of a paper and even Jones now starts to back track and talk about fuses. You couldn't make it up.

I think truthers are so embarrassed by the paper they just won't comment. Some of them just google related words and then say, "could it be this!" or they just attack people who have thousands of hours more experience than them. It's dying a death.
 
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