8 out of 8 at Citgo station

[sheeplesnshills]

The collective debunkery has yet to show any of this. If you want, pick up where we got distracted:

Well we can quickly remove all the guys at the cemetery yard from the list of NoC witnesses.

First problem is how they are interviewed.....A group has a natural leader and if a group are not interviewed separately the views and position taken by that leader will by picked up by the group.
Secondly they say they turned and ran as soon as they saw the plane so their knowledge of the flightpath is reduced because they saw even less of a very brief event.
Thirdly they have no frame of reference as to where the plane was relative to the Citgo as it was against a clear sky.

there is no way for them to know if it was in front of, over or behind the Citgo, and since we are only talking about a few hundred feet at most any opinion they have on that is worthless as evidence.

They saw a plane. Thats it.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Perhaps you prefer Middletons account?

His flightline is so different from that of Morin Both can't possible be true.....CIT realized that and placed his evidence to match Morins.

Then we add the same influences and lack of a reference frame as for the rest of the Cemetery guys and again we end up with "he saw a plane."

 

[Childlike Empress]

Perhaps you prefer Middletons account?

I'd prefer if we'd stick to the chronolgical order. Paik, Morin, now it's time for the CITGO witnesses. How does their testimony fit with Paik/Morin and/or the "real/official" flightpath?

Witness testimonies start ~ 16 min in
CITGO witnesses start ~ 21 min in

Middleton ~ 33 min
Cemetary witnesses ~37 min

National Security Alert

 

[DGM]

I'd prefer if we'd stick to the chronolgical order.

That way it's not as obvious they're contradictory.

 

[twinstead]

One would think that CIT would be busy trying to find a witness to evidence planting instead of managing contradicting NoC eye witness accounts.

 

[Childlike Empress]

That way it's not as obvious they're contradictory.

How so?

 

[twinstead]

How so?

I agree. It's obvious they are contradictory even if you stick to chronological order.

 

[DGM]

How so?

Morin and the cemetery witnesses.


Look up one post for even better answer. Thanks twinstead!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I'd prefer if we'd stick to the chronolgical order. Paik, Morin, now it's time for the CITGO witnesses. How does their testimony fit with Paik/Morin and/or the "real/official" flightpath?

Witness testimonies start ~ 16 min in
CITGO witnesses start ~ 21 min in

Middleton ~ 33 min
Cemetary witnesses ~37 min

National Security Alert

We already know Paik was in an office so could see nothing unless the opplane was well SoC and the navy annex cannot be seen from his office so any route from him would be a guess at best.

Morin, say he saw the plane fly down to the Pentagon, impossible unless it was SoC as the annex would block any view.

So farthat one "saw a plane that was SoC" and saw a plane fly SOC and hit the Pentagon and saw no flyover.

To those we can add Deb Anlauf you watched it fly "straight" down to the impact point from the Sheraton and saw no flyover. Since NoC requires a big bank in the flight "straight would be a strange way to describe that.....

And of course we have Zakhem at the VDOT who says it was SoC.........

CIT simply ignore Deb and call Zakhem a shill. and mention neither to the other witnesses.....I wonder why?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

How so?

As I show Middleton and Morins accounts are contradictory. They both cannot be right.

Which do you think is mistaken and why?

 

[The Big Dog]

1) The witnesses are all mistaken in the same bizarre way.
2) They are actors payed by CIT to pose as the real on record witnesses.
3) They are part of a disinfo operation that fooled CIT.
4) They honestly and accurately describe what they have witnessed.
5) CIT has manipulated and misrepresented the witness statements and refused to release the raw videos to clear up the confusion.

It is 5) ain't it CE? You know 5? Which in fact was proven in this very thread?

Yeah, five, CIT are a couple bull ********, and you fell for it.

But do continue to pimp out their pathetic sham, we like it when the Truthers tear each other apart.

 

[DGM]

5) CIT has manipulated and misrepresented the witness statements and refused to release the raw videos to clear up the confusion.

And this should be obvious considering the fact that none of these witnesses have come out in support of CIT's presentations. If I'm not mistaken some have come out claiming the opposite. (I don't have the links handy, or care).

 

[funk de fino]

Paik was in his office therefore CIT NOC is busted.

The majority of the the rest of the witness say it hit the Pentagon.

The liars at CIT have lied about releasing raw footage for years.

 

[carlitos]

CIT?

The liars at CIT ...

Honestly, given that they suck so bad at investigating and that there are so many examples of the non-cohesiveness of this team, I have to question whether these idiots are even citizens.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Honestly, given that they suck so bad at investigating and that there are so many examples of the non-cohesiveness of this team, I have to question whether these idiots are even citizens.

Hey! I'm not a citizen and I resent the implication that Americans cannot be this dumb.

 

[TJM]

Hey! I'm not a citizen and I resent the implication that Americans cannot be this dumb.

 

[carlitos]

Hey! I'm not a citizen and I resent the implication that Americans cannot be this dumb.

Hey, it's their choice of acronym. I'm just asking questions. Has Aldo showed his long form birth certificate yet?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Hey, it's their choice of acronym. I'm just asking questions. Has Aldo showed his long form birth certificate yet?

and what kind of patriotic American name is Ranke or Balsammo????

 

[Andy_Ross]

Wow 30 pages of nothing from the Truthers.

If the aircraft is supposed to have flown over the Pentagon where is it now?
Where did it go?

 

[jaydeehess]

How so?

As I show Middleton and Morins accounts are contradictory. They both cannot be right.

Which do you think is mistaken and why?

Quite right sheepenshills. IF Middleton's description is correct then Morin would have been completely unable to see the aircraft at all as the entire Navy Annex would be between him and the plane.

I have seen an animation from PfT (IIRC) that attempted to put Morin's flightpath to the north of where he was standing but he quite plainly states that he was at the outer edge (the southern-most wall of the annex) when he looked up and saw the a/c which he kept in sight as he ran south. He does not state that he turned to face north nor does he state that he was running backwards in order to get clear of the Annex (both of which one would certainly expect to be part of the description of his actions had that been the case.)

The CiT take on Paik's description also does not fit with what Morin states either. Paik draws the diagram showing the aircraft going over the Annex BUT Paik could not have seen the Annex and would be guessing at best. However the CiT take this as gospel and once again then require the 'adjustment' of Morin's description to fit such a path since that path would, again, require that Morin turn and face north, at the position he says he was standing, in order to see a plane flying the path that the CiT says Paik's description shows.

Did I miss something of has CE always been a CiT no-planer (CiT are in fact no-planers since they claim that the aircraft did not impact the Pentagon and it was destroyed by other means)?

If this is a new development then sorry CE, you drop another notch in my personal assessment of you (I know, I know, you really don't care).