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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

A critical lesson for Dems to learn is that Low Turnout no longer favors them.

Of course, after Trump, the rules of the game are going to change again, so maybe there's not much point in trying to learn anything from the last three elections.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Absolutely. There's an understanding in American (and probably other) politics of 'It's the economy stupid' in terms of what voters care about and that indeed seems to be what has given the result to Trump except bizarrely the US Economy is in pretty good shape but people have been convinced it's dreadful.
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To be honest even "it's the economy" isn't quite right, because too many people have been conditioned to think that the only right choice is monetarism/capitalism even in the midst of crises that prove the two allied systems are useless.
 
dudalb said:
I think some of you need to take Harris's speech more seriously.
Despair and resignation help nobody but Trump.That was the point she was maiking.
I understand the anger, and I even understand the angst, but the whole "WE ARE DOOMED AND NOTHING CAN SAVE US" is BS< and helps nobody but Trump.
I am predicting that a lot of the swing voters are boing to have the worst case of Buyer's regreat in history by the end of 2025.'
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Swing voters?
The democrats lost 10 million votes.
Republicans were same as 2020.
Democrats never turned up for their ridiculous candidates.
 
AmyStrange said:
Yup, I have a love, hate relationship with the guy, but I have to give him credit for calling out those idiots who killed Pnut (the squirrel) in NY. That made me so mad that there weren't enough swear words to express my real feelings.


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So you think proper disease control measures are a problem?

This kind of thinking is an exemplar of why the US is where it is, the prference of nonsense to reality.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
So you think proper disease control measures are a problem?

This kind of thinking is an exemplar of why the US is where it is, the prference of nonsense to reality.
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No, I just didn't think what they did was nice, and I don't give a damn about what you think, because you obviously don't give a damn about what happened to someone's pet that he loved.


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Trausti said:
So you think he's not going to renew his 2017 tax cuts?
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You mean the tax cuts for the rich and tax increases and benefit cuts for the poor he enacted in 2017?

Oh yes, he's definitely going to renew them. In fact, he'll probably deepen them.
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Sherkeu said:
Trump is now the President. Right now. At least internationally, effectively.
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You do have a point. Trump's reckless disregard for national security and the national security of what have been the US' allies is definitely influencing their decisions now.

The very fact that he's been re-elected also makes the US a laughingstock and seriously harms the trust and respect of the world that we've relied upon greatly.
 
For reference.

2016
Trump: 62,984,828 Clinton: 65,853,514

2020
Trump: 74,223,975 Biden: 81,283,501

2024
Trump: 74,303,389* Harris: 70,373,209*

*so far
 
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Overall, it seems I have a very condescending view of my state's voters. It is. Not only that, Trump was the con man and they were the mark. The idea of the foreigners invading the USA is easy to convince. Just use the right video clips on Fox News. But beyong that, convincing 60% of my state that cutting taxes for billionaires will produce a good economy. That takes some skill. If the election is just a casual event in their lives, that is just as bad. It should take a little more effort than making your weekly shopping list.
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Ron Obvious said:
Not to be that guy, but I can see why people were suspicious over the number of votes Biden got in 2020.
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Some of the take away i get is that Trump peeled away a bunch of minority demographics from the democrats, despite vehement Harris, Democrat, and media portrayals of Trump and his supporters being racists and mysoginists.... but its also apparent that not only overall turnout was lower, but those of those that did vote, a decent chunk of 2020 Biden voters went Trump this time around...

Not withstanding the irony of commentors now calling the minority voters that went Trump, themselves racist and mysoginistic...

Its also a stunning irony how members of the media are suddenly pulling a 180 on issues like trans-males being in womens' sports, and locker rooms... I could swear just a week ago if I brought that up I'd be skewered as anti-trans.
 
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