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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

Safe-Keeper said:
So according to Reuters, someone decided to sic a hitman on Dump.
Am I a bad person for wishing someone would just shoot him already? Like, not some idiot who misses because he aims for the head, or someone who chooses to lie in wait with the rifle barrel poking out of the bush? Only reason the idiot is still alive is the people who have come after him have been at his level of intelligence. Imagine if it had been someone with average IQ.

I suppose if they do manage to kill him, though, he'll just be superceded by someone far worse, and the GOP will use it for all it's worth. But it's a nice thing to imagine.
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Shooting the Dump would just make him a martyr, and then there's the Vance airhead to deal with.

I have a far more practical solution: drone in a million flea eggs to Mar-a-Lagos, preferably during some sort of function.
 
smartcooky said:
He stated his support for a nationwide ban. Why wouldn't he use his EO power if legislation was stymied by "RINOS" who won't support his plans?

He subverted the Dem led House (which is supposed to exclusively hold the Federal purse strings) when they wouldn't give him the money he wanted for his personal vanity project - the wall that he promised Mexico would pay for. He just used his EO power to divert federal funds from the military. I'll bet you did think h‎e would do that either!
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He stated his support for a national ban, then backtracked on it. As you note, Trump is a lair.
Trump does not give a damn about abortion, Only thing Trump cares about is Trump.
And that is where you go wrong in your opinion on Trump. You give me in one way too much credit. You think he has real ideological convictions. He does not. He only cares about Trump. THe one thing about Trump is does like being popular, and a total abrotion ban wold not be popular with most Americans.
 
The Don said:
Interesting light-hearted look at why Trump won from Matt Green - 3 minute YouTube video.


I found the following bit particularly funny:

Interviewer:
How are Democrats reacting ?

Pundit:
Like a man walking in on his wife having sex with the dog for a second time. A mixture of shock, horror and disbelief and also a creeping suspicion that there must be something wrong with them for this to have happened again.
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My reaction was initially horror, disgust, and the feeling of absolute shame that Americans could put such a piece of filth back in the WH. Depression has now set in to the point where I cannot watch any TV shows that focus on politics or the news. I can't handle seeing that orange turd's smug smirk or listening to his crap. When I wake up in the morning and I remember what has happened, I literally feel a wave of nausea.
 
thaiboxerken said:
JD Vance for POTUS is more scary because he has the same lack of morality that Trump has, the same greed, and the same level of evil. However, JD is young and capable.
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Yep. One evil would only be replaced by another equally or even more evil. Plus, Trump really couldn't care less about abortion rights. That was only an issue he used to get elected with the evangelicals. On the other hand, Vance is a true anti-choice ideologue who would push a GOP controlled Congress to get a national ban.
 
Stacyhs said:
My reaction was initially horror, disgust, and the feeling of absolute shame that Americans could put such a piece of filth back in the WH. Depression has now set in to the point where I cannot watch any TV shows that focus on politics or the news. I can't handle seeing that orange turd's smug smirk or listening to his crap. When I wake up in the morning and I remember what has happened, I literally feel a wave of nausea.
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Yeah, I can relate, and the only good news about that (if you want to call it good news) is that we can now take delight in whoever is a maga weirdo when they go but... but... but... after we blame everything bad that happens in the next four years on trump and what's his name. Of course, they'll try and blame it on Biden and Harris, but we can laugh and call them hypocrites because they laughed at us for the same reason. I admit, it's not much, but it's all we've really got now.

The stupid maga weirdo idiots won't have a single defense in the world to counter any of that, at least not without being laughed at and called hypocrites.


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Stacyhs said:
Yep. One evil would only be replaced by another equally or even more evil. Plus, Trump really couldn't care less about abortion rights. That was only an issue he used to get elected with the evangelicals. On the other hand, Vance is a true anti-choice ideologue who would push a GOP controlled Congress to get a national ban.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I think JD would be a far lesser threat. He's a simple opportunist, still knows that Trump is nuts but plays along. If he were in power sure he might push for horrible policies, but it would be done through the system. Trump wants to abolish the system, especially if it denies him his perceived right to beatification. If the choice is between evil and insane I'll take evil. The end of the world is far more likely to come from the chaos that insanity brings. Live to fight another day.
 
stanfr said:
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think JD would be a far lesser threat. He's a simple opportunist, still knows that Trump is nuts but plays along. If he were in power sure he might push for horrible policies, but it would be done through the system. Trump wants to abolish the system, especially if it denies him his perceived right to beatification. If the choice is between evil and insane I'll take evil. The end of the world is far more likely to come from the chaos that insanity brings. Live to fight another day.
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Depends on the issue.
Vance is of course a grifter for his sugar daddies, but he might also be more open than Trump for starting WW3 over Israel wanting more beachfront property.
 
jt512 said:
Trump would impose an abortion ban by executive order? You have Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Just so you know, that's been updated to the Trump's Damn Stupid syndrome.


ETA: I picked that up from one of the commenters in the MSN forums I patrolled for months fighting the good fight against the maga weirdoes and their cult of stupidity. Believe me, the dems aren't alone, because some of us reasonable republicans had and will continue to have the democrat's back in this war on stupidity.


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Stacyhs said:
My reaction was initially horror, disgust, and the feeling of absolute shame that Americans could put such a piece of filth back in the WH. Depression has now set in to the point where I cannot watch any TV shows that focus on politics or the news. I can't handle seeing that orange turd's smug smirk or listening to his crap. When I wake up in the morning and I remember what has happened, I literally feel a wave of nausea.
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You are not alone in that reaction. I feel a visceral tightening if I see that **** on screen. I will not have any pleasure in toldja's to his supporters, because it will already be far worse for the rest of us.
 
alfaniner said:
You are not alone in that reaction. I feel a visceral tightening if I see that **** on screen. I will not have any pleasure in toldja's to his supporters, because it will already be far worse for the rest of us.
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Yeah, I can see how that could be a problem for some folks, but it won't bother me at all because it will be payback for trying to "own the libs". I'm not a lib, but I can definitely sympathize with them big time, especially right now.

I have a very, very personal reason for not abandoning the republican party, but one thing I will not do is vote for any republican who's an idiot and wants to "own the libs" rather than work together to make government smaller while at the same time protecting or helping as many folks out there who need it, especially children.

I'm not a fan of abortion, but I'm also not some kind of egotistical male who wants to tell women what they can and can't do by passing stupid laws.

I'm also a fan of pot, so legalize the damn stuff and tax the s**** out of it. The prohibition of alcohol didn't work and neither does it work for weed. Other drugs (like heroin. meth, or fentanyl) are a different story all together.

Sexual orientation is personal and none of it should be outlawed by the government, whether local or federal.

Banning books is stupid.

I don't believe in putting the ten commandments or force children to read the bible, especially since the whole beginning of genesis is loaded with a detailed list of incestuous begettings (unless of course, god was able to pull off a secret creation in the next county over), and it's just weird that religious fanatics would consider that a good thing to teach children as part of some kind of lesson in morality. Personally, if you're gonna put up anything, it should be the Golden Rule.

There are many, many things I totally agree with the democrats on, but I will not abandon the republican party just because a bunch of maga weirdoes are trying to ruin it for the rest of us reasonable republicans. My reason why is no one's business but my own.

Sorry for the long rant.

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Pixel42 said:
He's going to get off scot free, isn't he? :(
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As many of us feared as we watched everything get absurdly slow walked. Republicans managed to create a situation where the strength of the US' democracy can now be compared unfavorably to pre-Nazi Germany. At least they managed to lock Hitler up for his bumbled coup attempt.
Trausti said:
He never really cared about abortion.
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Indeed! He never really cared in either way. All the more reason to expect that he likely would sign a national abortion ban, should the situation arise. Even an Executive Order is far from out of the question if someone manipulates him right, which is a sadly likely possibility.
AmyStrange said:
Yeah, I can relate, and the only good news about that (if you want to call it good news) is that we can now take delight in whoever isn't a maga weirdo when they go but... but... but... after we blame everything bad that happens in the next four years on trump and what's his name. Of course, they'll try and blame it on Biden and Harris, but we can laugh and call them hypocrites because they laughed at us for the same reason. I admit, it's not much, but it's all we've really got now.

The stupid maga weirdo idiots won't have a single defense in the world to counter that.
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Cold comfort, that. For those of us that actually cared about facts and reality, we've had plenty of effectively that all along. It's not like they've been actually hiding much with how farcical their BS has been, all along.

With that said... emotionally, I've been a bit more resigned, I think. I've long counted Trump getting re-elected as eminently plausible, after all, and even if he wasn't, barring some miracle by which the Republican Party changed its course and stopped it's many-faceted Party over Country continual sabotage of the US, calamity would remain a hairsbreadth away.

Seriously, Trump's disturbing similarities to earlier Hitler were rather clear all along. That's in personality, methodology, and the forces pushing him into power. They're obviously not the same, but history rhymes for a reason. By the time that it came out that Trump literally stole Nuclear Secrets and made them easily accessible to spies, along with lots of other highly classified information, and he pretty much publicly admitted his crimes, and that did nothing to make the Republican Party's support for him waver, it was plenty clear that the Republican Party of today just doesn't actually care about the wellbeing of the US. Whether one actually holds principles can only be proven when put to the test and the Republican Party has once again failed to uphold the principles that they pretend to quite magnificently.

If one wants a bright side, it's at least plausible that Trump will cause so much damage and suffering, again, that the Republican Party may correct their course afterwards a bit and sabotage the US less. At least for a while. It's unfortunate, but it's only when things get bad enough that enough people force villains to make major course corrections.
 
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Aridas said:
As many of us feared as we watched everything get absurdly slow walked. Republicans managed to create a situation where the strength of the US' democracy can now be compared unfavorably to pre-Nazi Germany. At least they managed to lock Hitler up for his bumbled coup attempt.

Indeed! He never really cared in either way. All the more reason to expect that he likely would sign a national abortion ban, should the situation arise. Even an Executive Order is far from out of the question if someone manipulates him right, which is a sadly likely possibility.

Cold comfort, that. For those of us that actually cared about facts and reality, we've had plenty of effectively that all along. It's not like they've been actually hiding much with how farcical their BS has been, all along.

With that said... emotionally, I've been a bit more resigned, I think. I've long counted Trump getting re-elected as eminently plausible, after all, and even if he wasn't, barring some miracle by which the Republican Party changed its course and stopped it's many-faceted Party over Country continual sabotage of the US, calamity would remain a hairsbreadth away.

Seriously, Trump's disturbing similarities to earlier Hitler were rather clear all along. That's in personality, methodology, and the forces pushing him into power. They're obviously not the same, but history rhymes for a reason. By the time that it came out that Trump literally stole Nuclear Secrets and made them easily accessible to spies, along with lots of other highly classified information, and he pretty much publicly admitted his crimes, and that did nothing to make the Republican Party's support for him waver, it was plenty clear that the Republican Party of today just doesn't actually care about the wellbeing of the US. Whether one actually holds principles can only be proven when put to the test and the Republican Party has once again failed to uphold the principles that they pretend to quite magnificently.

If one wants a bright side, it's at least plausible that Trump will cause so much damage and suffering, again, that the Republican Party may correct their course afterwards a bit and sabotage the US less. At least for a while.
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I agree. History rhymes because people forget their history. We really are the United States of Amnesia.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
So according to Reuters, someone decided to sic a hitman on Dump.
Am I a bad person for wishing someone would just shoot him already? Like, not some idiot who misses because he aims for the head, or someone who chooses to lie in wait with the rifle barrel poking out of the bush? Only reason the idiot is still alive is the people who have come after him have been at his level of intelligence. Imagine if it had been someone with average IQ.

I suppose if they do manage to kill him, though, he'll just be superceded by someone far worse, and the GOP will use it for all it's worth. But it's a nice thing to imagine.
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I think the badness lies not in wishing it, but in wishing someone else would do it for you. If you're going to endorse political assassination, you should embrace it as a personal mandate.

I can respect John Wilkes Booth. I can respect Yigal Amir. I can't really respect the idea that someone else should do for you the political violence you wish, but won't do yourself.

"Won't someone rid me of this politician, but leave my hands clean?" Your hands are dirtied in the asking, and you don't even have a result to show for it.
 
smartcooky said:
He stated his support for a nationwide ban. Why wouldn't he use his EO power if legislation was stymied by "RINOS" who won't support his plans?

He subverted the Dem led House (which is supposed to exclusively hold the Federal purse strings) when they wouldn't give him the money he wanted for his personal vanity project - the wall that he promised Mexico would pay for. He just used his EO power to divert federal funds from the military. I'll bet you did think h‎e would do that either!
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"New Zealand's abortion laws allow for unrestricted access to abortion within the first 20 weeks of pregnancy. After 20 weeks, a qualified health practitioner must assess the physical and mental health of the pregnant person to determine if the abortion is clinically appropriate."

What Trump proposed during his prior term in office was no different than what New Zealand has in place now regarding abortions after 20 weeks. Seems as though you have some work to do in your claimed home Country before worrying about the US. Afterall, Trump didn't propose anything worse than you are currently living with. Though you should note Trump has said on multiple occasions that he will not sign a nationwide ban on abortion in the US.
 
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