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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 3

Now sexual alligations against the Sec. of Defense .
Did they bother to do any veting at all?
 
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dudalb said:
Now sexual alligations against the Sec. of Defense .
Did they bother to do any veting at all?
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Some of his tattoos are raising eyebrows as well. Those crosses: are they showing his allegiance to the country of Georgia, a foreign power? Or are they the white supremacy/Christian nationalist symbol they usually are when not in the context of that nation? Either one seems inappropriate for a US defence secretary.
 
Johnny, it's not "DEI" if it is a white person getting a job they are unqualified for because of... reasons.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I am citing that we have left leaning states that have been implementing policies that direct personnel to help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent. It is additionally celebrated by the ACLU for it being enforced by state law. Washington State is another example where laws are on the books that allow shelters to notify the Department of Children and Families, in lieu of the parents and allow when they're presented, "to stay at host homes — private, volunteer homes that temporarily house young people without parental permission. Policies like this, and alterations to insurance offerings to make them covered as essential services rather than as cosmetic-only only provide incentives to make it easier to push minors rather than letting them possibly grow out of it, rather than having them make irreversible changes to their bodies before they have a full understanding of that.


If you don't ask people questions or don't care to do so, you'll just get ignored. That rhetoric of yours shows a lack of interest in researching issues that the party could improve on. It's extremely naive thinking to believe you'll get people to hear you out if you insult them hard enough. It's similar to Harris's problem of refusing to answer questions to explain her policy goals and how she would run things differently from Biden. Nothing but hot air and lip service.


You can snip his comments and make them fit the criteria to make him sound like Hitler, or you can look back at his actions when he was already POTUS to find out if that hyperbolic comparison is accurate.

Case in point.... you've been comparing him to a mass murderer that conducted constitutional decrees allowing him to snub out all political opposition, stamp out individual freedoms without parliamentary oversight, terrorized and interrupted opposing political gatherings, and ran a genocide campaign that killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps with much of his decrees happening within two years of him officially gaining control.

The worst Trump is guilty of is contesting the 2020 elections and indirectly motivating people to storm the capital, and being combative with journalists and members of congress. All of which I agree played a hand in tarnishing my opinion of him to one extent or another. Despite that, your comparing him to someone that was so much farther beyond the pale that your analogue can't grasp relevance. Journalists have not been "disappeared", News stations have not been taken off the air for heckling him with combative questions, and when he had his best chance to deny the transition of power to Biden/Harris after contesting the 2020 election, he was still obligated to allow the transfer of power to happen. He is not up for re-election in four years. But I guess if you want to cite political violence or anything you could tell me if you think Antifa was trying to promote Trumps' supposed dictator agenda by rioting in DC after the 2017 inauguration.

But I digress, if you want to compare him to something to support that he's unfit for office, at least put some effort into making it relevant. There is discussion to be had if people weren't going bonkers with forcing this Nazi narrative. You're citing immigration and economic concerns as signals for fascism and nazi'sm, when it was established by exit polling that immigration and inflation are the same issues that minority voters and the working class voters were most concerned with when they were asked. The same voters you're calling stupid and sexist. This circles back to the second piece of your reply I quoted. When you blindly insult voters without asking for their concerns, they will have no incentive to respond to your concerns.
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Take your hate to the appropriate thread, lad.
 
LiteBright said:
I don't think every republican is evil but you have to admit, there are precious few among the current crop that are worthy of any respect.

There are a few that will express some concern while stepping out of the way to let Trump run roughshod. There's fewer still that will act to stop it. Let's hope there are enough.
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As the last eight years have shown, the only time a republican will come out against T****y is when he start's thrashing them and calling them America's enemy. And even when that happens it's a rare occurrence, cf Brave Sir RonDa and Ted Cruz.
 
Tero said:
If they go and cut ACA and soc sec, a good number of them will be voted out 2026. Trump is a lame duck now.
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Who's to say they'll be given a choice in the mid-terms?

I'm fully expecting two outcomes, a) T****y's regime will collapse from the faction fighting inside six months or b) a one party dictatorship is established inside 18.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
As the last eight years have shown, the only time a republican will come out against T****y is when he start's thrashing them and calling them America's enemy. And even when that happens it's a rare occurrence, cf Brave Sir RonDa and Ted Cruz.
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IIRC, among the political leaders of the Republican Party, the people who have come out against Trump, after he became the nominee in 2016, are almost only the ones who have already announced their retirement. We're likely to be headed right back into the era of anonymous Republican leaders expressing their discontent in the news again, though.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I am citing that we have left leaning states that have been implementing policies that direct personnel to help transgender and gender nonconforming students plan out their "preferred pronouns, names and bathrooms", and bars staff from informing parents of those plans without a student's consent.
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So... Counselling services with the oath of confidentiality? What's new about any of that? Faculty is required to tell parents if they suspect a student is in danger (like if they're in an abusive relationship or home) or is a danger to themselves or others, not if they receive help and counselling from the school to plan out their future.

You also know perfectly well why faculty shouldn't 'out' LGBTQ students to potentially abusive parents. Stop the pearl clutching and try arguing in good faith.

Grizzly Bear said:
Case in point.... you've been comparing him to a mass murderer that conducted constitutional decrees allowing him to snub out all political opposition, stamp out individual freedoms without parliamentary oversight, terrorized and interrupted opposing political gatherings, and ran a genocide campaign that killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps with much of his decrees happening within two years of him officially gaining control.
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Nice strawman. No one's compared Drumpf's actual presidency to Hitler's regime. Try again.

Except, by the way... Dump has totally done the highlighted part, as you well know.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
So... Counselling services with the oath of confidentiality? What's new about any of that? Faculty is required to tell parents if they suspect a student is in danger (like if they're in an abusive relationship or home) or is a danger to themselves or others, not if they receive help and counselling from the school to plan out their future.

You also know perfectly well why faculty shouldn't 'out' LGBTQ students to potentially abusive parents. Stop the pearl clutching and try arguing in good faith.


Nice strawman. No one's compared Drumpf's actual presidency to Hitler's regime. Try again.

Except, by the way... Dump has totally done the highlighted part, as you well know.
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And though I am willing to agree with the above, and beware of comparisons that, through easy refutation, throw the valid points out with the bad ones, we should not entirely forget that, along with Jews and political dissidents, our fearless leader's bedside table companion also targeted other groups, including those deemed sexually deviant, and while things haven't gotten as bad as fast, trends in that direction are not encouraging.
 
dudalb said:
What is shocking is that he is pissing off traditoinal Republican COnstiuticies with some of these choiches.
I really think he has gone over the edge.
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That's not shocking at all. There have been plenty of Repubs who have and continue to detest him (including his VP), but they love the opportunity for power more than that and/or are too cowardly to speak out. The business selects for those who want power more than anything else. It is a good sign that some are still willing to speak up, but we'll see how long that lasts or whether it leads to anything substantive.
 
Aridas said:
IIRC, among the political leaders of the Republican Party, the people who have come out against Trump, after he became the nominee in 2016, are almost only the ones who have already announced their retirement. We're likely to be headed right back into the era of anonymous Republican leaders expressing their discontent in the news again, though.
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And then doing absolutely nothing to stop him. Just like what a lot of leaders on the right did in Italy and Germany when Mussolini and Hitler took over. They grumbled a little bit to fsvoured journalists, then took their big pensions and retired to their estates.
 
bruto said:
And though I am willing to agree with the above, and beware of comparisons that, through easy refutation, throw the valid points out with the bad ones, we should not entirely forget that, along with Jews and political dissidents, our fearless leader's bedside table companion also targeted other groups, including those deemed sexually deviant, and while things haven't gotten as bad as fast, trends in that direction are not encouraging.
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The first victims of the holocaust were the LGBT people, and of those Trans people were the very first victims.

And there were groups who later found themselves on special trains to Auschwitz or Treblinka who cheered on the disappearences of the LGBT groups.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
The first victims of the holocaust were the LGBT people, and of those Trans people were the very first victims.

And there were groups who later found themselves on special trains to Auschwitz or Treblinka who cheered on the disappearences of the LGBT groups.
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George Takei made that point
 
dudalb said:
But there are plenty of Never Trumpers who are attakcing Trump to this day.
Sorry, I am not buying into the line that all Republcians are evil.
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Not all of them. More like 90%. Just look up the Jan 6 impeachment votes for some insight. Democrats and Republicans were almost entirely united on how bad that was... until it was time to do something consequential about it.
 
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