10 story hole in WTC 7

[LashL]

FEMA Chapter 5 pg 15

"...the 20,000 gallons that were recovered..."

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

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It's probably best to wait for the final NIST report on WTC7 but since you're using the FEMA report re: 20K gals of fuel being recovered, it seems fair to ask this:

So, what do you suppose happened to the balance of the 43,000 gallons of fuel that were on site at the time?

 

[Gravy]

Why is this damage to 30 West Broadway only to the top of the building and not at the bottom? Where exactly is this damaged building in relation to WTC 7?

The floors on 30 West Broadway look burnt.

Damage to only the top of a building.....I wonder.

Your ineptitude is thrilling. Look at the aerial photo above. The building at left is 30 W. Broadway.

 

[Christopher7]

Pot, Kettle, etc. I did notice that you didn't respond to all of my post.

I don't have time to respond to every statement of every post, so i skip the insults and the rhetorical or off topic questions.

True.

Thank you

It is NOT evidence of a CD.

That is subject to interpretation.

There are many explanations for a 'clap of thunder' sound, which is quite ambiguous, and I'm not sure how you got 'bomb' from 'clap of thunder'.

We have two possible explanations so far, can you think of another?

I said 'explosion', not 'bomb'.

 

[Christopher7]

It's probably best to wait for the final NIST report on WTC7 but since you're using the FEMA report re: 20K gals of fuel being recovered, it seems fair to ask this:

So, what do you suppose happened to the balance of the 43,000 gallons of fuel that were on site at the time?

The FEMA and NIST reports contain a great deal of basic information about WTC 7.

All the tanks, pipes and generators were in the west end of the building,

except for the 4 SSB generators in the north east section.

The supply line to these generators was the only possible source of a fuel oil fire in the east end of WTC 7.

 

[LashL]

The FEMA and NIST reports contain a great deal of basic information about WTC 7.

etc. etc.

So, since you didn't answer the question, I'll ask it again:

It's probably best to wait for the final NIST report on WTC7 but since you're using the FEMA report re: 20K gals of fuel being recovered, it seems fair to ask this:

So, what do you suppose happened to the balance of the 43,000 gallons of fuel that were on site at the time?

 

[Dog Town]

So, since you didn't answer the question, I'll ask it again:

It's probably best to wait for the final NIST report on WTC7 but since you're using the FEMA report re: 20K gals of fuel being recovered, it seems fair to ask this:

So, what do you suppose happened to the balance of the 43,000 gallons of fuel that were on site at the time?

I wonder why 20k+ gallons, might have caused fires? Hell... half it, just 10!
Twoofers are idiots! Next!

 

[Christopher7]

Who claims that diesel engines were running at 12:10 to 12:15?

FEMA pg 15:

It is believed that they came on at 9:59.

 

[Coritani]

I don't have time to respond to every statement of every post, so i skip the insults and the rhetorical or off topic questions.

I decided to intervene on the Darryl statement because I had refuted it before, but you never replied.

As for skipping part of my post, you skipped two parts: the part about the noise of the core failing (you said it'd be a rumble) and the source of the 'explosions' you claimed existed. I don't see these as rhetorical, off topic or insulting.

Thank you

That is subject to interpretation.

How is hearing a 'clap of thunder' evidence of a CD? Especially since noone else has reported a 'clap of thunder' being heard seconds before collapse. It's not audible on any video either.

We have two possible explanations so far, can you think of another?

Off the top of my head:

• electrical systems shorting
• transformers blowing
• generators failing
• steam pipes bursting
• debris and steel beams falling down elevator shafts

There is also the 'steel failing' explanation as well.

I said 'explosion', not 'bomb'.

Sorry, I thought you were parroting one of the CF's favourite equations: Explosion = bomb. If you aren't saying that these explosions are bombs (or demolition charges, or whatever) then you don't really have a point.

Either way, the 'clap of thunder' does not necessarily mean an explosion - there are other explanations (listed above). And, even if there was an explosion of some sort, there are explanations to where that came from as well.

 

[Gravy]

FEMA pg 15:

It is believed that they came on at 9:59.

I asked who claimed the diesel generators were running at 12:10 to 12:15. You directed me to the FEMA report. It does not make such a claim. It presents a hypothetical case, and in fact states that it is believed that some of the generators stopped running due to air intake contamination.

Your claims are not advanced by strawman arguments.

 

[Christopher7]

I wonder why 20k+ gallons, might have caused fires? Hell... half it, just 10!
Twoofers are idiots! Next!

All the tanks*, pipes and generators were in the west section of WTC 7.

* 6,000 gal. tank in center between 2nd and 3rd fl.

except for the 4 SSB generators in the north east section

[They were supplied by a pipe running across the building]

see FEMA pg 14

 

[Pardalis]

Chris, why don't you wait for the final report?

 

[Gravy]

Chris, why don't you wait for the final report?

That question occurs to rational people, but Chris is not rational. He made up his mind about this stuff before reading any reports, and the reports he's read since haven't changed his uninformed, kooky opinions. He's only interested in reports for the "anomalies" he can fixate on and fetishize. He's a true woo believer.

 

[Christopher7]

I asked who claimed the diesel generators were running at 12:10 to 12:15. You directed me to the FEMA report. It does not make such a claim. It presents a hypothetical case, and in fact states that it is believed that some of the generators stopped running due to air intake contamination.

Your claims are not advanced by strawman arguments.

My point was; no one is 'claiming' they came on or stayed on.

If the generators came on, the pumps would be pumping fuel oil to the north east section of WTC 7.

If they did not come on or shut down, then there would be NO fuel oil to burn in the east section of WTC 7.

 

[LashL]

So, since you still haven't answered the question, ChristopherX, I'll ask for the third time,

It's probably best to wait for the final NIST report on WTC7 but since you're using the FEMA report re: 20K gals of fuel being recovered, it seems fair to ask this:

So, what do you suppose happened to the balance of the 43,000 gallons of fuel that were on site at the time?

It's a simple, straightforward question, Chris. Surely, you can provide a simple, straightforward answer to it instead of avoiding it repeatedly.

 

[Christopher7]

That question occurs to rational people, but Chris is not rational. He made up his mind about this stuff before reading any reports, and the reports he's read since haven't changed his uninformed, kooky opinions. He's only interested in reports for the "anomalies" he can fixate on and fetishize. He's a true woo believer.

What?

You want to ignore the information [that isn't going to change] contained in these documents.

Gravy, just last September, when NIST Apx. L was 2 1/4 years old, you insisted that i read it.

You said it was evidence that WTC 7 collapsed due to debris damage/fire.

Now it's 2 3/4 years old and you want me to fagidabodit.

I keep re-reading these documents and finding things that i had missed like:


The only fuel oil in the eastern part of WTC 7 was a pipe running across the building.

Also, the only generators on the east side of WTC 7 were in the north east section of WTC 7.

These basic facts about the location of the fuel tanks, pipes and generators, is not going to change in the final report.

 

[Christopher7]

So, since you still haven't answered the question, ChristopherX, I'll ask for the third time,
It's a simple, straightforward question, Chris. Surely, you can provide a simple, straightforward answer to it instead of avoiding it repeatedly.

Terribly sorry to keep you waiting.

I don't know.

 

[Arus808]

then last time, WAIT FOR THE FINAL REPORT. All this posturing is not doing a thing anyway. You are taking the claims of preliminary report and acting as if its the "above all/say all/concrete" findings.

IT ISN'T

So why dont you WAIT Till the final report is released, forget this thread and start a new one when the WTC 7 report is done and for you to read.

 

[rwguinn]

Terribly sorry to keep you waiting.

I don't know.

Gee-
Someone who conclusively correlates "a thunderclap" sound to correlation can't figure out where 23000 gallons of kerosene might have gone during a fire...

 

[Christopher7]

Either way, the 'clap of thunder' does not necessarily mean an explosion - there are other explanations (listed above). And, even if there was an explosion of some sort, there are explanations to where that came from as well.

True, what Daryl heard could have been steel breaking, a transformer blowing up, or a bunch of denolitions charges going off.

 

[Christopher7]

then last time, WAIT FOR THE FINAL REPORT. All this posturing is not doing a thing anyway. You are taking the claims of preliminary report and acting as if its the "above all/say all/concrete" findings.

IT ISN'T

Actually, i was quoting facts, not claims.
The data about where the fuel oil tanks were located, will not change in the final report, unless you are assuming FEMA didn't get anything right.

The fact that there were only 4 generators [floor 5] and NO fuel oil tanks in the east part of WTC 7 is very important.

If the generators [and the pump feeding fuel oil to them] were running, the louver vents would be open.

If there was a fire in this room, the smoke would be pouring out thru the vents.

This the only area near the initial collapse zone where there could have been a fuel oil fed fire.

It is not on fire.

So why dont you WAIT Till the final report is released, forget this thread and start a new one when the WTC 7 report is done and for you to read.

We don't need to wait for the final report to look at the data [not the cliams] that is contained in the many official government reports that have been released.