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The behaviour of UK police officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ever-have-employed-wayne-couzens-report-finds

An official report has revealed new and damning failures by police who missed Wayne Couzens’ prolific sexual offending, leaving him armed with police powers which he used to kidnap and murder Sarah Everard.

The failures laid out in the report by Dame Elish Angiolini are worse than previously thought, and she concludes Couzens should never have been a police officer. She highlighted a series of chances to spot his danger to women and his unsuitability be an officer that were missed by repeated bungling in three forces.
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Angiolini: "Good police officers work alongside those who abuse their powers, behave inappropriately with their colleagues and do a disservice to the profession of policing,.."

How can they be considered "good police officers"? Their entire justification is to prevent such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers.
 
Darat said:
Angiolini: "Good police officers work alongside those who abuse their powers, behave inappropriately with their colleagues and do a disservice to the profession of policing,.."

How can they be considered "good police officers"? Their entire justification is to prevent such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers.
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
 
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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Yeah. My brother was a Police Custody Officer in Scotland. He was in a dead end carer job and a cop persuaded him to take the job as they needed good guys in the force. Later he saw that same cop joining others shoving around a confused kid with obvious autistic issues and we had a long talk about peer pressure and other issues.
 
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I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.

Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
 
bluesjnr said:
I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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I have noticed that a lot of the YT videos are of a solo cop abusing their authority.
 
Nessie said:
I was one of those good cops, who worked with bad cops. In retirement, I have talked with my cops friends, who were also good cops as to why we did not see those bad cop behaviours and the reason was that the bad cops behaved themselves when they were in the company of a majority of good cops. We all experienced situations where we knew we were being excluded from what was going on, which will have been the bad cops doing bad things. I remember being suddenly sent out of the office to go on patrol and I knew something was up, but I was happy to go as I did not want to be involved.
Whatsapp etc only came in at the end of my career, but I was never invited to join any private group.

I was told on numerous occasions by female cops how much they enjoyed working with me. I just thought they were being nice, I now know it was because I never hassled any of them. I was also told later in my career, when I bumped into a cop I had been a training college with, that at the time, I was singled out by the female cops as the only trustworthy male.

That is how good cops work alongside bad cops.
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From what you admit to above - I am sorry to say you were not what I would consider a "good" cop, and your behaviour is why the bad cops are still in police forces. You did not engage in criminal acts like your fellow officers but you knew they were, and you choose to turn a blind eye to it. As I said a good cop would be one who would be concerned about preventing such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers. You are unfortunately an example of how the "one" bad apple spoils the barrel. (I am not saying you were the bad apple.)
 
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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I don't expect anyone to be an angel and policing is a high stress job, a job that unfortunately has you encountering day-in-day-out the worse our society offers, of course people will occasionally snap, even lash out, slip up, and of course people will take short cuts and so on, what is wrong is when those are allowed to become the norm. And as we have learned from the many horrifying reports about our police forces over the last few decades, they are the norm not the exceptions. Police officers have to be able to police themselves - and I don't mean with a department that looks into police complaints, corruption - I mean the day to day stuff. And that is always very hard to do, and sadly it appears that it is beyond the capability of the police because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
 
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I don't expect anyone to be an angel and policing is a high stress job, a job that unfortunately has you encountering day-in-day-out the worse our society offers, of course people will occasionally snap, even lash out, slip up, and of course people will take short cuts and so on, what is wrong is when those are allowed to become the norm. And as we have learned from the many horrifying reports about our police forces over the last few decades, they are the norm not the exceptions. Police officers have to be able to police themselves - and I don't mean with a department that looks into police complaints, corruption - I mean the day to day stuff. And that is always very hard to do, and sadly it appears that it is beyond the capability of the police because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
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It's not that it's beyond the capability it's because it's actively encouraged. They are a gang of ego driven tyrants who have completely lost the trust of the public. As I've said before there is no situation, and I mean none whatsoever, that I would reach out to the police for assistance with.

Look out for those wearing the, "thin blue Line", badge. This item has been banned by Commissioner Mark Rowley yet officers proudly flout this ruling.

Sir Mark said that in the US, the equivalent badge to the thin blue line one "has ended up being both a policing symbol and is being used by some hard-right groups".
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A gang.
 
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I find it a bit of stretch that any cop with a career lasting more than a year or two never saw any occasion where a colleague wasn't acting outside their authority, misusing laws (S43 of TACT 2000 is a classic, as is S5 amongst others), being a bit handy when effecting an arrest or placing an individual into a custody suite. I'm talking about the low level stuff here, another example being the needless escalation I see on just about every YT video where their is an interaction with a police officer.

My own incredulity needn't be addressed here.
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The worst I saw, was angry cops who had been assaulted dishing out some summary justice by being very rough with prisoners, some very awkward "banter" with female cops and staff and false arrests that were often more from the cop's lack of understanding of the law, than any malice.
 
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From what you admit to above - I am sorry to say you were not what I would consider a "good" cop, and your behaviour is why the bad cops are still in police forces. You did not engage in criminal acts like your fellow officers but you knew they were, and you choose to turn a blind eye to it. As I said a good cop would be one who would be concerned about preventing such behaviour - in everyone - not just non-police officers. You are unfortunately an example of how the "one" bad apple spoils the barrel. (I am not saying you were the bad apple.)
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I am not turning a blind eye, when all I had was that I suspected others were up to no good. In a number of those situations, I know that cops more senior to me did take action, the worst being a cop suspected of robberies and housebreakings and another who was stalking a female cop. I had zero knowledge of what those cops, who I had worked with, were up to till it was being dealt with. I had been totally excluded.

I stopped a cop from fitting up another cop who he had fallen out with. I stopped a group of cops, off duty, from fitting up a local criminal who we saw in the pub. I would side with female cops when the banter was OTT. I stopped various charges and arrests because of a lack of evidence, which was very difficult, because senior management were constantly pressuring us to meet targets.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
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...because even those that don't misbehave themselves allow others to do so.
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I was lucky to have never been on a rogue shift, or department, where the bad cops ruled the roost. Any good cop who finds themselves in that situation, where they are being manipulated and pressured to join in, knows that to act, is career ending. Indeed, they may face being setup and driven out the job, ruining their entire future. Their least worst option is often to get out, either a transfer or leave the job entirely. To what extent are they allowing anything?

The cops who really do allow the bad cops, are those in management and Professional Standards. They do have the power to act and they are the worst at turning a blind eye. They are the ones who think coverups are justified to protect the reputation of the job. They recommend or authorise NDAs to hide misconduct. They transfer, rather than act to dismiss bad cops.

Save your contempt for them, rather than the cops who face ruin if they try to act.
 
A Met Sgt gets into bother because he advises someone "openly Jewish" that they cannot walk into and against a pro-Palestinian parade.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-poli...icing-minister-over-antisemitism-row-13120702

The majority of marches I worked at had a potential for conflict between Roman Catholics and Protestants. If anyone, not just someone who was openly from the other side, tried to enter and walk against the march, they would be at minimum removed and even arrested.
 
Nessie said:
A Met Sgt gets into bother because he advises someone "openly Jewish" that they cannot walk into and against a pro-Palestinian parade.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-poli...icing-minister-over-antisemitism-row-13120702

The majority of marches I worked at had a potential for conflict between Roman Catholics and Protestants. If anyone, not just someone who was openly from the other side, tried to enter and walk against the march, they would be at minimum removed and even arrested.
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Further to your point, there's more to it than the above, which strengthens your view.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news...tism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104

As the officer says, Falter was being disingenuous. He seems to have wanted to walk through the middle of the match as part of his counter demonstration.



And from the thread where I got that link:


https://scrutable.science/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4197&start=25#p159150

The man in the video is Gideon Falter. He is chairman of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, a group whose tactics have attracted criticism even from fellow campaigners against antisemitism such as Margaret Hodge and the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism. I don't know enough to comment on the rights and wrongs of this particular incident, or of the CAA in general, but given the CAA's active engagement in issues related to these marches it seems unlikely that Falter accidentally ran into one of them while performing his normal Saturday errands.
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jimbob said:
Further to your point, there's more to it than the above, which strengthens your view.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news...tism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104

As the officer says, Falter was being disingenuous. He seems to have wanted to walk through the middle of the match as part of his counter demonstration.



And from the thread where I got that link:


https://scrutable.science/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4197&start=25#p159150
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"Saturday errands"? Should he be running errands on Shabbat?
 
Darat said:
Yeah this was a clumsy worded intervention but I don’t think it showed any antisemitism.
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It is as clumsy an intervention as it would be to tell someone in a Celtic top that is why they cannot walk through an Orange Lodge walk. When people are being suspect disingenuous at best, the bleeding obvious should be pointed out to them.
 
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It is as clumsy an intervention as it would be to tell someone in a Celtic top that is why they cannot walk through an Orange Lodge walk. When people are being suspect disingenuous at best, the bleeding obvious should be pointed out to them.
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Also, as I saw pointed out on X/Twitter, Sky News had the full footage of the encounter with the police officer from their own cameraman from the beginning, but had only chosen to broadcast selective, misleading, highlights, which could have placed police officers in danger by inflaming activists.
 
People in NI and less so in the West of Scotland, where there are regular marches by religious/political organisations, are used to the etiquette of such. They know that they will attract the ire of the march and the attention of the police, by turning up in anything identifying them as being from the opposite side and walking across and against the march. Joining a march should be done from the end of the march.

Londoners are having to get used to what others in the UK have had for decades.
 
zooterkin said:
Also, as I saw pointed out on X/Twitter, Sky News had the full footage of the encounter with the police officer from their own cameraman from the beginning, but had only chosen to broadcast selective, misleading, highlights, which could have placed police officers in danger by inflaming activists.
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There is hardly a police officer in NI or the West of Scotland, who has not been put in a similar position as that Met Sgt, or used terms somewhat stronger than he did!
 
Nessie said:
A Met Sgt gets into bother because he advises someone "openly Jewish" that they cannot walk into and against a pro-Palestinian parade.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-poli...icing-minister-over-antisemitism-row-13120702

The majority of marches I worked at had a potential for conflict between Roman Catholics and Protestants. If anyone, not just someone who was openly from the other side, tried to enter and walk against the march, they would be at minimum removed and even arrested.
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It's obvious that Falter and the CAA were deliberately causing trouble and breaking the law so that they could engineer a situation where they could cry wolf. If there was an actual problem with the engagement with police they wouldn't have released a heavily edited video cropping out Falter's initiation of the confrontation and subsequent commission of an assault.
 
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It's obvious that Falter and the CAA were deliberately causing trouble and breaking the law so that they could engineer a situation where they could cry wolf. If there was an actual problem with the engagement with police they wouldn't have released a heavily edited video cropping out Falter's initiation of the confrontation and subsequent commission of an assault.
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This is a bit of a 'well duh'. Falter and his little group are well known provocateurs.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
It's obvious that Falter and the CAA were deliberately causing trouble and breaking the law so that they could engineer a situation where they could cry wolf. If there was an actual problem with the engagement with police they wouldn't have released a heavily edited video cropping out Falter's initiation of the confrontation and subsequent commission of an assault.
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Cried wolf? He set out to prove their were violent anti Semites on this peace march and very much proved that to be the case
 
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Hadn't heard of him before honestly.
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I have. He does this regularly, the classic right-wing provocateur tactic, hence the heavies he's accompanied by.
He and his "campaign" are funded by the JNF; he's sought for months to have pro-Palestine marches banned on a range of spurious grounds.
 
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I have. He does this regularly, the classic right-wing provocateur tactic, hence the heavies he's accompanied by.
He and his "campaign" are funded by the JNF; he's sought for months to have pro-Palestine marches banned on a range of spurious grounds.
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He seems to change whether he wears the Kippah depending on context. Speaking in public or on TV - not always necessary."Going about his lawful business" trying to walk through pro Gaza demonstrations, vital.
 
Thanks to "Fishnut" on scrutable for these, from a couple of threads, one devoted to the Met and one to the rest of the country.


The first one is particularly shocking, as he was committing violent child rapes in 2023 by which time the Met should have realised their vetting was inadequate

Met Police officer AirDropped explicit messages to passengers on c2c train




Ex-PC stalker who tracked wife and lover avoids jail


Ex-police officer to face court accused of forming relationships with victims

Former Nottinghamshire Police officer jailed for speeding with sirens on without proper reason


Former police officer jailed after suspended sentence appealed



Bolton police officer who abused his position to share confidential
information jailed
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Police officer stole dead man's phones and iPad


Ex-police officer who shared photo of dead body he took while on duty jailed
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The steady flow of cops being convicted for crimes, is evidence the police are ridding themselves of the bad apples, and making the job toxic for them.
 
The Met cop who arrested a black woman who ignored a request to show she had paid her fare, has been found guilty of assaulting her. The Judge ruled that keeping hold of her and cuffing her, as she tried to walk away with her child, was excessive force. The Met has already stopped supporting London Transport fare evasion prevention operations.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...arrest-bus-fare-evasion-croydon-b1158540.html
 
Nessie said:
The Met cop who arrested a black woman who ignored a request to show she had paid her fare, has been found guilty of assaulting her. The Judge ruled that keeping hold of her and cuffing her, as she tried to walk away with her child, was excessive force. The Met has already stopped supporting London Transport fare evasion prevention operations.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...arrest-bus-fare-evasion-croydon-b1158540.html
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Lathwood handcuffed and grabbed Agyemang by the arm, leaving it bruised, insulted her, and then detained her after wrongly suspecting her of fare evasion when she left a bus in Croydon, south London, in July last year.

Lathwood was convicted of assault at Westminster magistrates court and on Friday was fined £1,500. He will also have to pay £200 compensation, costs of £650 and a victim surcharge of £600. The total of £2,950 must be paid within 56 days.

Lathwood at one point called her a “daft cow” and when it was established she had paid, she was released from handcuffs and let go.

Agyemang said in her statement to the court: “PC Lathwood manhandled me in circumstances where it was not warranted, but it was the look of contempt in his eyes as he did so that I find hard to move past.

“His comment that I was a ‘daft cow’ was particularly degrading and I believe he intended it to be degrading. I have lost all confidence in the police service.”

She said the incident had left her son “scared” and robbed him of trust in the police.

The Guardian understands that the Independent Office for Police Conduct believes Lathwood, 50, from East Sussex, should face a gross misconduct hearing that could lead to him being sacked. One discipline charge relates to an allegation of sexism, for calling Agyemang a “daft cow”, and another to excessive force.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ce-officer-says-attack-has-devastated-her-son
 
In a 'what were the thinking' move:

Police say 'decision was made to stop cow using a car'
Surrey Police said it will refer itself to the police complaints watchdog following an incident in which a cow was deliberately struck twice by a response vehicle.

The force said in a statement that after attempts to safely capture the cow “over a period of a number of hours” failed, “the decision was made to stop it using a police car”.
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Just as well it wasn't some drunk staggering along the road and refusing to co-operate...
 
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