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The behaviour of UK police officers.

Andy_Ross said:
Imagine being a person of colour, reporting a crime to the police. You then end up being punched in the head by the officer who arrives

PC Marsh said he did not regret any of his actions, including when he told Mr Attanayake to 'get on the ******* floor' and to 'do as you're ******* told.'

'I don't regret doing it,' he added.

Video in link

https://twitter.com/mikecmorgan/status/1736824632672452770?t=xsHXomyzxdi1iJMUSaLJgA&s=19
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A nasty racist thug, perfect for the met. The trial continues next year.
 
catsmate said:
A nasty racist thug, perfect for the met. The trial continues next year.
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I do wonder, especially in light of the book/movie 'A Clockwork Orange' which predicted deliberately hiring thugs to be the fascist bully-boys for a totalitarian regime, leading to the famous line:

"They don't call me Dim no more, now they call me Officer!"
 
National Crime Agency director sacked for security breach

One of the UK's most senior law enforcement chiefs has been sacked for security breaches.

Nikki Holland was responsible for specialist investigations at the National Crime Agency (NCA), tackling people smuggling and child abuse.

The NCA confirmed on Friday she had been struck off after appearing in front of a misconduct panel.

The agency confirmed in a statement that "former director of investigations Nikki Holland has been found to have committed gross misconduct".

As a result of the panel's findings she has been dismissed from her position with immediate effect," it added.

While the panel did not find any malign intent in the breaches, the NCA expects the highest standards of conduct from all of our officers. Where those standards are not met appropriate action will be taken.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67808245.amp
 
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catsmate said:
Met police officer charged with assault over Croydon fare evasion arrest.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...with-assault-over-croydon-fare-evasion-arrest
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The arrest is available to see on video. If that was an assault, then every arrest by a police officer is an assault. She is constantly pulling away from him and refusing to cooperate.

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/ne...urt-over-croydon-fare-evasion-arrest-incident

"PC Perry Lathwood, aged 49, attached to the Road Traffic Policing Command, will appear at the Westminster Magistrates' Court on 14 February 2024 to face one charge of assault by beating in relation to bruising injuries caused to the woman’s arm during the incident..."

Any bruising is her fault and if anything she is resisting arrest.
 
Nessie said:
The arrest is available to see on video. If that was an assault, then every arrest by a police officer is an assault. She is constantly pulling away from him and refusing to cooperate.

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/ne...urt-over-croydon-fare-evasion-arrest-incident

"PC Perry Lathwood, aged 49, attached to the Road Traffic Policing Command, will appear at the Westminster Magistrates' Court on 14 February 2024 to face one charge of assault by beating in relation to bruising injuries caused to the woman’s arm during the incident..."

Any bruising is her fault and if anything she is resisting arrest.
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:rolleyes:
 
Nessie said:
The arrest is available to see on video. If that was an assault, then every arrest by a police officer is an assault. She is constantly pulling away from him and refusing to cooperate.

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/ne...urt-over-croydon-fare-evasion-arrest-incident

"PC Perry Lathwood, aged 49, attached to the Road Traffic Policing Command, will appear at the Westminster Magistrates' Court on 14 February 2024 to face one charge of assault by beating in relation to bruising injuries caused to the woman’s arm during the incident..."

Any bruising is her fault and if anything she is resisting arrest.
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Did you by chance miss adding "/s" to your comment?
 
Blue Mountain said:
Did you by chance miss adding "/s" to your comment?
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What are you referring to?

This charge comes not long after the clearing of a cop who crashed on his way to a stabbing;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...secution-pc-crash-way-terror-attack-appalling

I get that the public want greater scrutiny of the police, but charging them with a crime when they are clearly doing their jobs, is an intensity of scrutiny that will just drive people away from working in the police.
 
Nessie said:
What are you referring to?

This charge comes not long after the clearing of a cop who crashed on his way to a stabbing;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...secution-pc-crash-way-terror-attack-appalling

I get that the public want greater scrutiny of the police, but charging them with a crime when they are clearly doing their jobs, is an intensity of scrutiny that will just drive people away from working in the police.
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If they were doing their jobs then perhaps they could have taken a bit of time to find out if she should have been arrested in the first place before going hands on.

"The woman was later de-arrested when it was confirmed she had paid the fare."

With regard to the stabbing incident, Amman was dead within a minute or so of the stabbings. There was no need for the dangerous driving.

"He was shot dead little over a minute later after charging at two undercover police officers who were following him." (my italics)
 
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bluesjnr said:
If they were doing their jobs then perhaps they could have taken a bit of time to find out if she should have been arrested in the first place before going hands on.

"The woman was later de-arrested when it was confirmed she had paid the fare."
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A woman gets off a bus with a child. She is asked to show her ticket by a transport inspector. She refuses and walks away. The cop with the inspector has the power of arrest, which applies because she is refusing to show a ticket and is walking away. The cop takes hold of her arm to stop her from walking away and she pulls back and tries to free her arm. She eventually sees sense and produces her ticket and is released. The arrest is lawful because it is necessary to establish if a crime had been committed or not. It was proportionate, because it stopped her from escaping and the injuries are caused by her resisting and pulling away from the police officers hold on her arm.

If the police are told that is a crime, then fare evasion will go through the roof as people know the inspectors and the police have no power to stop them from just walking away. That will also affect the police's willingness to arrest in other circumstances and they will just have to let possible offenders walk away.
 
bluesjnr said:
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With regard to the stabbing incident, Amman was dead within a minute or so of the stabbings. There was no need for the dangerous driving.

"He was shot dead little over a minute later after charging at two undercover police officers who were following him." (my italics)
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The chronology is not clear from that article. This article has him responding whilst the stabbing incident was still in progress.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67726758

"PC Fisher reached speeds of more than 80mph (129km/h) while responding to a stabbing spree in Streatham by Sudesh Amman in February 2020."

If he was driving like that after he knew the incident was over, you are right, but that seems unlikely, as he was cleared by a jury and from the subsequent misconduct hearing.
 
And a case from the era of 'Dixon of Dock Green' that shows the police will fight a rearguard action for decades even after they know the police officer in question was a racist and a thief:
Half-century convictions linked to racist officer quashed
Ridgewell's framing of the two men was not referred back to judges to be reconsidered until now - and was only uncovered thanks to work on another of the officer's victims by the official miscarriages review body....
...In 2021, BTP said they had completed a search for any other potential wrongful convictions linked to Ridgewell - but did not submit the 1977 case to the Criminal Cases Review Commission, the body that investigates potential miscarriages of justice...
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Nessie said:
The cop who whistle blew ion his colleagues, is the only one now not in the job.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67958136
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As the article states "In August, he was told he was not physically or mentally "fitted" to be a police constable and dismissed." I would say that is probably very true given what we know about the toxic culture in many police forces. He should wear that assesment as a badge of pride, it means he is a decent human being.
 
Darat said:
As the article states "In August, he was told he was not physically or mentally "fitted" to be a police constable and dismissed." I would say that is probably very true given what we know about the toxic culture in many police forces. He should wear that assesment as a badge of pride, it means he is a decent human being.
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That was very telling of the culture within the police and how normalised it is for so many police officers. Ironically, police officers get annoyed when criminals refuse to grass each other up!
 
Carrot Flower King said:
And the good old Met continues to be pish at investigating sexual abuse of children - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-children-making-sexual-abuse-claims-report

Too much detail to give a tl;dr other than H Maj's Inspectorate of Constabulary looked at 244 cases and found that only 43 rated "good" in terms of quality of investigation and all the rest were "inadequate" or "in need of improvement".
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One has to think - what would a review of all types of cases find? I suspect it is not only going to be child abuse that they are mishandling.

And it's not as if grooming and rape of childrern hasn't been highlighted by several reports that condemned the police forces investigated for the behaviour the Met has shown. It really should not have needed another review.

I do strongly believe that the Met needs to be "disbanded" over a few years and replaced and a new police force created from the ground up. It's never been "fit for purpose".
 
Darat said:
One has to think - what would a review of all types of cases find? I suspect it is not only going to be child abuse that they are mishandling.

And it's not as if grooming and rape of childrern hasn't been highlighted by several reports that condemned the police forces investigated for the behaviour the Met has shown. It really should not have needed another review.

I do strongly believe that the Met needs to be "disbanded" over a few years and replaced and a new police force created from the ground up. It's never been "fit for purpose".
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Exactly.

We have a model in the RUC getting replaced by the PSNI

I isn't just the Met, though. But it is the biggest problem.
 
jimbob said:
Exactly.

We have a model in the RUC getting replaced by the PSNI

I isn't just the Met, though. But it is the biggest problem.
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PSNI was more a renaming. The best example of a new police force is Police Scotland, which is significantly different from the legacy forces it replaced.

With the same staff and cultures, Police Scotland has not significantly improved its investigatory ability or trustworthiness from before, especially when it faced major financial cutbacks.

Replace the Met with police officers from the Met, with no significant changes in culture, which could be done with the Met in place, would just be a pretence at improvement.

Meet the new police, same as the old police.
 
Nessie said:
PSNI was more a renaming. The best example of a new police force is Police Scotland, which is significantly different from the legacy forces it replaced.

With the same staff and cultures, Police Scotland has not significantly improved its investigatory ability or trustworthiness from before, especially when it faced major financial cutbacks.

Replace the Met with police officers from the Met, with no significant changes in culture, which could be done with the Met in place, would just be a pretence at improvement.

Meet the new police, same as the old police.
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You are certainly more knowledgeable than me about this but I was under the impression that it had worked pretty well in Northern Ireland.
 
jimbob said:
Exactly.

We have a model in the RUC getting replaced by the PSNI

I isn't just the Met, though. But it is the biggest problem.
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Just make sure that the old guard don't get let back in through the rear entrance.

The PSNI is increasingly regressing towards being the loyalist sump the old RUC was. Non-protestants are being actively discouraged from joining, loyalist criminals are being either ignored or actively protected and the force is becoming increasingly sectarian in nature and activities.

Frankly, what the GFA should have done was to hand over policing to AGS.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Just make sure that the old guard don't get let back in through the rear entrance.

The PSNI is increasingly regressing towards being the loyalist sump the old RUC was. Non-protestants are being actively discouraged from joining, loyalist criminals are being either ignored or actively protected and the force is becoming increasingly sectarian in nature and activities.

Frankly, what the GFA should have done was to hand over policing to AGS.
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Who are the GFA and the AGS?
 
Nessie said:
PSNI was more a renaming. The best example of a new police force is Police Scotland, which is significantly different from the legacy forces it replaced.

With the same staff and cultures, Police Scotland has not significantly improved its investigatory ability or trustworthiness from before, especially when it faced major financial cutbacks.

Replace the Met with police officers from the Met, with no significant changes in culture, which could be done with the Met in place, would just be a pretence at improvement.

Meet the new police, same as the old police.
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Indeed, the last people you want as police are the ones who want to be police...
 
catsmate said:
Police officers accused of subjecting seven women to abuse including rapes, beatings, and psychological torment were allegedly protected by their force, with two appointed to roles protecting women from assault and harm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ected-officers-accused-of-abusing-seven-women
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Two of the seven women are serving or ex police officers. That they are taking a class action against D&C means this has real clout. I think this could be the biggest payout in police history.
 
One more single, lone, isolated bad apple in the barrel.

Apart from the horror of his crimes this should also be horrifying:

...The Met said Mitchell had previously been subject to a rape investigation in 2017, which had resulted in no further action.

Following his latest arrest, the case was reinvestigated which resulted in Mitchell being charged with an additional three counts of rape of a child under 13 and three counts of rape...

Everyone involved in that first investigation needs to be investigated to find out why they failed to substantiate the accusations. I suspect they will also be found to be one more single, lone, isolated bad apple.
 
jimbob said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68285168

The former Strathclyde police didn't cover themselves in glory, especially the senior officer who prevented the Packer from being interviewed under caution
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One of the DCs in the enquiry states;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68285168

"When Det Con David Barr, taking the statement, asked senior officers if he could detain Packer, he was also told no.
"I'm told… when you get Iain Packer and bring him in, it doesn't matter what he tells you - he won't ever be an accused in this case," he recalled."

The reason why that was;

"Retired Det Sgt Willie Mason claims senior officers did not want to lose face.
"If they were to turn round and say 'we have made a mistake here, we've spent all this public money,' their careers would've been finished - and they knew that. So they bluffed it out," he said."
 
I knew that the police Counter Corruption Unit in Scotland had to be disbanded after it was found to be spending most of its time investigating journalists and how they were getting information on police enquiries, but I did not know about the link between that and the Emma Caldwell case.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/whistleblower-briefed-nicola-sturgeon-police-32237432

"Calum Steele (ex head of the Police federation) said he raised serious concerns with Sturgeon in 2015 about Police Scotland’s counter corruption unit snooping on journalists who had exposed failings in the case."
 
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