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Are the Democrats out of touch with the average American?

The Dems are perfectly in touch with voters. They just don't give a ◊◊◊◊ about them. People like Sen Sanders and Rep Ocasio-Cortez are few and far between and will not weild a ton of influence because they are not power players, and kind of can't be, definitionally.
Nonsense. Voters don't care about them. They only care about themselves. Me, me, me - that's all they ever care about.

Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez don't have a lot of influence because their message doesn't appeal to the deplorables selfish ones. Trump does because he's one of them. He's the great American dream!
 
We have to acknowledge everyone is going to advocate for their own self interest. There is nothing wrong with thay.
Which would be fine, except a large number of people voted for Trump against their own self interest because they weren't willing to understand how his tax and tariffs policies would actually affect them.
 
Which would be fine, except a large number of people voted for Trump against their own self interest because they weren't willing to understand how his tax and tariffs policies would actually affect them.
This is just your interpretation of priorities. Ignore the urge to prescribe malice to their intentions and you could view it as tradeoffs of different importance and time horizons. Sure, mix in the unintelligent but even the smallish iq spread difference between Republicans and democrats don't amount to an explanation.
 
Which would be fine, except a large number of people voted for Trump against their own self interest because they weren't willing to understand how his tax and tariffs policies would actually affect them.
Not so much "weren't willing to understand" as "deliberately refused to even consider". They were defiantly ignoring facts, a trait they equate with "bravery" and "patriotism".
 
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We had some success with Biden and unions. But unions are not MAGA.
I was not happy in 2023 when Biden decided to run. But at the same time it was a strange race, in that Harris was largely unknown. Who do we run? A governor? Of those 60% that turned up to vote maybe half had some idea who she was and could even quote something they liked or hated. The rest had a label: typical democrat.

Anyway, Biden would not have won if he stayed in, even if that disasterous debate never had happened.

Lesson: do not run any candidates that cannot run two terms. And we need one that is not a lawyer. That goes for local races too. We have state senators that are lawyers, but they only win in cities. A Democrat farmer here is a possibility, we have one of two.
There has been a more specific problem with Democratic party campaigns since at least 1996 (in 1992 Clinton ran far to the left of how he governed in 1993), and that is by depending too much on a hopey changey formula without providing any plan to make change happen, very rarely pushing for such plans when in power, mostly only paying lipservice to them when pushing them and being so silent as to disavow the vanishingly small few that do get through.

Case in point for the Harri campaign, she didn't discuss the good economic work the Biden administration did, nor any plans reversing the erosion of sexual and reproductive rights. She spent far more time bigging up the Cheneys and chasing the unwinnable far right repug voters the Cheneys represent than she did pushing her on plans for office.

The mainstream left has lost all the courage of its convictions, and the mainstream "centre" has dropped all pretence that it's not another cheek of the far right.
 
"....any plans reversing the erosion of sexual and reproductive rights. "

She did address that. An entire rally in Huston with Beyonce. A whole feminist rally. You missed it? So did 100% of MAGA.
Lesson: MAGA do not care about abortion. It is the woman's job to have babies or die doing it.
 
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"....any plans reversing the erosion of sexual and reproductive rights. "

She did address that. An entire rally in Huston with Beyonce. A whole feminist rally. You missed it? So did 100% of MAGA.
Lesson: MAGA do not care about abortion. It is the woman's job to have babies or die doing it.
In fact it seems a lot of women who appeared to be outraged over this either voted trump or sat at home.
 
This is just your interpretation of priorities. Ignore the urge to prescribe malice to their intentions and you could view it as tradeoffs of different importance and time horizons. Sure, mix in the unintelligent but even the smallish iq spread difference between Republicans and democrats don't amount to an explanation.
I'm not prepared to be that generous to Trump voters.
 
I'm not prepared to be that generous to Trump voters.
Seems pretty apt for the thread. Easy way to be out of touch is to assume everyone that doesn't agree with your voting preference is evil, stupid or both.
 
Seems pretty apt for the thread. Easy way to be out of touch is to assume everyone that doesn't agree with your voting preference is evil, stupid or both.
I'm not sure if I know what word to use, especially when the Drumpf movement seems to have gone from just mere infatuation of a charismatic strongman to an outright cult. I do maintain, though, that between the horrific things he's said and done (and promises to do in the future), and the utter catastrophe his former term was, you have to be either a horrible person or horribly uninformed to support him. I know some of his voters are merely desperate --struggling to find jobs, put food on the table, pay for utilities, and make rent, but even then, if they believe Dump is going to change anything for the better they still fall under the horribly uninformed category. There's honestly a limit to how much understanding I can muster for someone who votes for outright fascism.

Someone posted a cartoon of a kid licking a frozen pole and getting his tongue stuck. Sort of understandable. But then the second frame showed the same person doing it again as an adult, even though they knew what would happen. That's way, way less understandable.

The image in my head is of some kid shocking himself by putting a fork into an electric outlet. Then he goes to do it again, and when you try to point out to him that he got electrocuted and was in horrible pain last time, he claims he doesn't understand what you're talking about, and insists he had a great time and that he has never been less electrocuted in his life.
 
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I'm not prepared to be that generous to Trump voters.

Seems pretty apt for the thread. Easy way to be out of touch is to assume everyone that doesn't agree with your voting preference is evil, stupid or both.
Yep. The Democratic voters in the thread consistently demonstrate that the answer to the titular question is "yes."
 
Given the results of the last presidential election if your view is the Democrats are out of touch with the "average" American you have to also hold the view the Republicans are also out of touch with the "average" American.
 
Yep. The Democratic voters in the thread consistently demonstrate that the answer to the titular question is "yes."
Plenty of non-Democrats also would answer "Yes, the Democrats are out of touch with average Americans." The problem, as described above, is that "average Americans" equals MAGA these days. So it's hardly surprising. Is it.
 
Yeah, this all depends on some distorted view of an "average American." Newspapers like to go to the cafe in rural communities. That's not average. If I remember right, more than half of Americans live in cities of more than 25 000 people (I think 25 is the cutoff line). It's not the farmers or the people in Oskaloosa, IA.
 
Yeah, this all depends on some distorted view of an "average American." Newspapers like to go to the cafe in rural communities. That's not average. If I remember right, more than half of Americans live in cities of more than 25 000 people (I think 25 is the cutoff line). It's not the farmers or the people in Oskaloosa, IA.
And yet almost 50% of those who turned out to vote, voted for Trump. As has been pointed out upthread, the average American is currently MAGA.
 
And yet almost 50% of those who turned out to vote, voted for Trump. As has been pointed out upthread, the average American is currently MAGA.
And almost 50% of those turned out to vote voted for Harris.

But either way, they live in cities, not in rural communities.
 
Given the results of the last presidential election if your view is the Democrats are out of touch with the "average" American you have to also hold the view the Republicans are also out of touch with the "average" American.
The repugs aren't interested in being in touch with the average American. They know that they are a minority party; and probably a small minority at that, despite declared results.
 
And yet almost 50% of those who turned out to vote, voted for Trump. As has been pointed out upthread, the average American is currently MAGA.
You could just as well argue that the average American is non-MAGA, at a two to one ratio. MAGAs vote. A third of voters don't bother. Why assume half are in the cult, but don't vote? I assume we have a large minority taking control, but they are not the average American
 
Yep. The Democratic voters in the thread consistently demonstrate that the answer to the titular question is "yes."
Sorry but I would point out that given the people that Trump has lined up for his cabinet and the expressed views of his supporters I would think stupid and/or evil are valid hypotheses until proven otherwise. I would however concede ignorant might be more apt than stupid for many voters who backed, or perhaps just suckers who fell for the con?
 
Those low IQ Maga folk are scared. Of change. Their world can never change. Except for conspiracy theories. Those can be new or modified, like vaccines with covid.
 
Plenty of non-Democrats also would answer "Yes, the Democrats are out of touch with average Americans."
No ◊◊◊◊. That's why Trump won.
The problem, as described above, is that "average Americans" equals MAGA these days. So it's hardly surprising. Is it.
Nothing out of touch or condescending about that statement at all. Keep up the good work, Democrats!
 
No ◊◊◊◊. That's why Trump won.

Nothing out of touch or condescending about that statement at all. Keep up the good work, Democrats!
But it's disheartening that Trump would be more in touch. He should have only resonated to the voter farther out in left field. I voted Democrat not out of pure love of their positions, but as a "Jesus christ, Trump is so much worse" decision
 
You could just as well argue that the average American is non-MAGA, at a two to one ratio. MAGAs vote. A third of voters don't bother. Why assume half are in the cult, but don't vote? I assume we have a large minority taking control, but they are not the average American
Inside the average American are two wolves. Democrats seem to be out of touch with this truth. Trump seems to be aware, at least, that one of those wolves has been underfed lately.

Maybe the other wolf will come back to bite him in the ass one day. But the Democrats' campaign to try to exorcize half of the nation's soul doesn't seem to be working.
 
Inside the average American are two wolves. Democrats seem to be out of touch with this truth. Trump seems to be aware, at least, that one of those wolves has been underfed lately.

Maybe the other wolf will come back to bite him in the ass one day. But the Democrats' campaign to try to exorcize half of the nation's soul doesn't seem to be working.
I have to agree here. The Democrats, undeniably, are underestimating just how potent Trump's message is, and how it strikes a chord in many voters.
 
I'll give you a clue: It's not in my posts. So you don't have to look very far.
Not to give away the plot, but this is how you appear on mobile. It is at least another click on today's secret letter (N) in order for the mystery to unfold.

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This is just your interpretation of priorities. Ignore the urge to prescribe malice to their intentions and you could view it as tradeoffs of different importance and time horizons.
You ask too much. People have to ascribe malice to their opponents, else how can they form a stable identity based on political affiliation?
 
I'm going to ruin the mystery. Norman, like me, is an Australian and therefore cannot be a member of the American Democratic Party. And all you have to do to work that out is click on his Location.
 
I'm going to ruin the mystery. Norman, like me, is an Australian and therefore cannot be a member of the American Democratic Party. And all you have to do to work that out is click on his Location.
I'm pretty sure we all got that already.
 
But it's disheartening that Trump would be more in touch. He should have only resonated to the voter farther out in left field. I voted Democrat not out of pure love of their positions, but as a "Jesus christ, Trump is so much worse" decision
He's just telling people what they want to hear, he doesn't have solutions.

The Democrats are doing the equivalent of telling overweight people that if they want to lose weight, they need to move more and/or eat less.

Trump is telling them that they can do what they want and still lose weight if they "do this one simple thing".

Trump has said that he will reduce prices and make people better off and only "others" will have to pay the price. It's utter garbage but people would rather cling to the fantasy than to face up to reality.
 
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