The prophecies of Ama

[wollery]

You are asking me why I post here knowing that you will not accept them as prophecies. I will tell you why. Because we have to know the other side of a story.



I told you that I have been to Filipino forums and usually, I do not get any feedback. I do not know if what I post is correct or not. At least here at JREF, which is composed of intelligent people, there is feedback, though usually in the negative. It makes me think whether what I believe is true or not.

No it doesn't. If it did you would have given up on the idea of Ama being a spirit of any sort a long time ago.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

No it doesn't. If it did you would have given up on the idea of Ama being a spirit of any sort a long time ago. #2021

I will not give up “on the idea of Ama being a spirit of any sort.” Please read http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”. I have associated with Ka Apaz for a long time and I know that she is not faking the spirit of Ama. You have to attend His session to know if there is any trickery involved.

You are an atheist, aren’t you? As such, do you believe in spirits? I believe that a man is composed of his physical body, spirit, and soul. The spirit is the breath of life that God breathed into the nostrils of the man He formed (Genesis 2:7). The soul makes the man to know the difference between good and evil. So it is man himself who does evil or good deeds.

I have decided to believe that I have the spirit and the soul. So my existence is not finite, that when I die, my soul will live forever either in Heaven or in Hell.

 

[LaurelHS]

2/19 - The world will witness a number of unnatural and unbelievable occurrences, which are nevertheless true. For one, certain infants will be born with fully-grown hair and a complete set of adult teeth. Scared by this phenomenon, mothers of these infants will be driven to getting rid of such offspring.

Why did you leave out the part about the kittens from a previous prophecy? I like kittens.

You still remember the three-eyed baby. It will not be a fluke of nature for it will happen several times. Then there will be human being given birth to kitten and cat giving birth to human being.

This is one Providential notice of displeasure over mankind 's waning regard for the Kingdom of God

Do you realize how offensive this is? Birth defects aren't a curse from the Almighty, and it's sick to say that they are. There was a 60 Minutes story awhile back about the Mercy Ships charity (a Christian charity that sends a hospital ship to the African coast to provide free surgery for people who don't have access to medical care/can't afford it). They treat many people with cleft palates and other facial deformities; according to the story, such people are often shunned by others who see them as spiritually cursed. That's the kind of attitude you're showing with this post.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, this isn't about money. You apparently missed the point of Fromdownunder's post; that is, if one is knowledgeable about a subject it is possible to make accurate predictions without being a god.


"We" have already considered your side of the story, PC. It's utter nonsense, devoid of any footing in reality, and a tragic waste of Internet bandwidth. (Please, won't someone think of the TCP/IP packets?)

What will it take before you accept that your wild fairytale is wrong? Do we have to produce a tape recording of Alvaran and her family joking about how they deceived and defrauded you and Marcel and all the other unfortunates in the Ama Fan Club? How about a newspaper article detailing the arrest of Alvaran and her kin for fraud? Would that convince you, or would you just wave it away as "persecution"?


Then why have you repeatedly insisted that your various calculations and assertions are correct? Either you were lying then, or you are lying now. Which is it? #2014

Astreja, I said to fromdownunder that he can make money if his predictions is 100% accurate because he can just bet in the betting company and surely, he will win.

You say that my side of the story is “utter nonsense, devoid of any footing in reality, and a tragic waste of Internet bandwidth.” How sure are you that what you believe is correct? I just share to you what I heard and learned. It is up to you if you will accept what the spirit of Ama says.

Remember that JREF is a group mostly of like-minded individuals. So you say “we”. Again, my question is how sure is this group correct in its beliefs? What will change your outlook?

I believe that the nuclear World War III will happen, as said in the 1986-06-13 session. It will start at Spratly Islands in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. When this happens, will you change your beliefs? By the way, next week, on Wednesday, 2014-04-02, will be the start of the middle of the week, based on quarters this year. If by end of Wednesday, 2014-09-24, and the world war does not start, then may be, it may happen next year, 2015, and so forth. I believe it will happen in His time, in God’s time. Remember that the prophecy was made long, long time ago, in 1986.

 

[Akhenaten]

Astreja, I said to fromdownunder that he can make money if his predictions is 100% accurate because he can just bet in the betting company and surely, he will win.

Whereas yourself and the crone Alvaran wouldn't have made a cracker over the 35 years you've been making up the nonsense that you refer to as prophecy.

That is the point.

You say that my side of the story is “utter nonsense, devoid of any footing in reality, and a tragic waste of Internet bandwidth.” How sure are you that what you believe is correct?

The whole 'agreement with observable reality' is a big giveaway.

I just share to you what I heard and learned. It is up to you if you will accept what the spirit of Ama says.

How many times do you need to be told that nobody but you believes that the thing you call 'Ama' even exists. All you are doing is spamming.

Remember that JREF is a group mostly of like-minded individuals.

No, it is not.

So you say “we”. Again, my question is how sure is this group correct in its beliefs? What will change your outlook?

Evidence. That thing that you've never been able to produce.

I believe that the nuclear World War III will happen, as said in the 1986-06-13 session. It will start at Spratly Islands in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. When this happens, will you change your beliefs? By the way, next week, on Wednesday, 2014-04-02, will be the start of the middle of the week, based on quarters this year. If by end of Wednesday, 2014-09-24, and the world war does not start, then may be, it may happen next year, 2015, and so forth. I believe it will happen in His time, in God’s time.

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If the nuclear world war does not occur on Wednesday, 07-25, and the 2012 Olympic Games is held as planned, then I can say that His prophecies are wrong.

Remember that the prophecy was made long, long time ago, in 1986.

What's to be remembered is that your mindless and insistent repetition of it was much more recent, and that your current behaviour means that you were lying when you made both the statement highlighted above and this one:

If the prophecies were wrong, then I would admit that I was wrong and will consider the Holy Spirit that we (plural) talk to is a fraud, an impostor.

 

[AdMan]

PeaceCrusader, here is another thing you said that you seem to have completely forgotten about. Can you please address this, particularly the lie about refraining from discussing prophecies? Highlights added.

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Wednesday, 2012-07-25, has now passed the US. It is Thursday, 07-26, across the US: 7:15am in New York City, 4:15am in Los Angeles, and 1:15am in Honolulu.

The prophecies of the Holy Spirit that the world war which will start from the trouble in the Philippines will occur on a Wednesday and that the 2012 Olympic Games in London will not be held, failed to materialize. Even though the Games will officially open tomorrow, 07-27, I cannot move the goal posts anymore because 07-25 is the last Wednesday for the month of July.

I would like to apologize to all of you. I am deeply sorry. I will refrain from discussing prophecies anymore and be tight-lipped on this. I will reconsider my belief that the Holy Spirit who we are talking to is the true Holy Spirit and so is my belief that Ka Apaz’ physical body is appropriated by this spirit. As I used to say, if we were to believe in a god, we have to be sure that He is the only true God. As God, He must be omniscient. That means, He knows the past, the present, and the future.

I am sure that you can see why people are bothered by these statements, which you've never apologized for or explained. You lied to the members of this forum. Do you think that's all right?


ETA: Apologies for the formatting. Just helping PC notice posts that he apparently has ignored on purpose or inadvertently. And I want newer members and lurkers to know about PeaceCrusader's background.

 

[blue sock monkey]

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I believe that the nuclear World War III will happen, as said in the 1986-06-13 session. It will start at Spratly Islands in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. When this happens, will you change your beliefs? By the way, next week, on Wednesday, 2014-04-02, will be the start of the middle of the week, based on quarters this year. If by end of Wednesday, 2014-09-24, and the world war does not start, then may be, it may happen next year, 2015, and so forth. I believe it will happen in His time, in God’s time. Remember that the prophecy was made long, long time ago, in 1986.

Now is really not the time to be bringing up this epic failure of a prophecy. Or were you secretly hoping that I would repost this:

Ah, the memories! <wipes away tear>

 

[Astreja]

You say that my side of the story is “utter nonsense, devoid of any footing in reality, and a tragic waste of Internet bandwidth.” How sure are you that what you believe is correct?

How sure am I, PC?

I'm so sure that I would literally bet My life on it.

I am not joking. I never, ever joke about such things. A world ruled by your idiot "Ama" and governed by its ghastly prophesies is simply not worth living in.

In the real world, I have life in abundance. I have a family and friends who love Me. I have a home, a car and a job I love. There's money in the bank, money for retirement, and money to give to charity. I spend My spare time fulfilling a lifelong dream, to play in a band.

What would I get from Ama? A blasted, radiation-blighted world, fetid corpses of humans and animals poisoning the air, water and soil, and running battles against men trying to claim Me as one of their "wives" so that they could rape Me.

I would see the world I love devastated, all because some do-nothing unholy spirit couldn't be arsed to prevent a nuclear war.

It is up to you if you will accept what the spirit of Ama says.

I would sooner see "the spirit of Ama" destroyed.

What will change your outlook?

At this point, PC, nothing you can say or do will change My mind. I want nothing less than an in-person physical encounter with your god, in the presence of witnesses -- With the god itself, not with Maria Alvaran whistling or going "Ummph" or speaking in funny voices under a bed sheet.

I believe that the nuclear World War III will happen, as said in the 1986-06-13 session. It will start at Spratly Islands in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. When this happens, will you change your beliefs?

I predict that no nuclear war on this planet shall ever start at the Spratly Islands. As such, I do not anticipate any need to change My beliefs.

Furthermore, PC, I predict that your calendar shall not be accepted by the world, and that no particular calamity shall ensue upon the eventual death of Maria Alvaran.

In fact, 100 years from now, it'll be as if you, Alvaran and Ama never even existed. Your only hope of immortality is if some of us tell our great-grandchildren about the nonsense you posted on JREF -- And, quite frankly, your stories aren't that good.

 

[pakeha]

Spirit of Ama

Has the weather changed and become more violent since 1980? What is this ‘global warming’ or what is called now as ‘climate change’?

People have been predicting this since the late 60's, PC.
I still recall organising "Earth Day" events back in the day, ten years before Maria Liwayway Alvaran had her pronouncements published.

...You mentioned your successes. How about your failures? ...

What about Maria Liwayway Alvaran's crass attempts at being a prophetess.
I haven't forgotten she got you to think your calendar was going to be implemented world-wide by 2000.
Have you forgotten that, PC?

2/19 - The world will witness a number of unnatural and unbelievable occurrences, which are nevertheless true. For one, certain infants will be born with fully-grown hair and a complete set of adult teeth. Scared by this phenomenon, mothers of these infants will be driven to getting rid of such offspring. This is one Providential notice of displeasure over mankind 's waning regard for the Kingdom of God;

This pronouncement points an accusing finger at Maria Liwayway Alvaran's ignorance.
Who is superstitious enough to believe these phenomena have a divine origin?

Now is really not the time to be bringing up this epic failure of a prophecy. Or were you secretly hoping that I would repost this: ...[respectfully snipped so's not to cheapen the brilliance of the image by meaningless repitition]...
Ah, the memories! <wipes away tear>

You're wonderful, bsm, and a case of Dom has been cast into the sea and is floating to you as I write this.

 

[Pixel42]

I will not give up “on the idea of Ama being a spirit of any sort.” Please read http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”. I have associated with Ka Apaz for a long time and I know that she is not faking the spirit of Ama. You have to attend His session to know if there is any trickery involved.

I don't need to attend a particular performance of The Merchant of Venice to know that the actor playing Shylock is not channelling the spirit of the real Shylock. Have you never attended a theatre performance? Can you really not see that what this woman does is no different?

 

[hurdygurdy]

I believe that the nuclear World War III will happen, as said in the 1986-06-13 session. It will start at Spratly Islands in the middle of the year on a Wednesday. When this happens, will you change your beliefs?

Maria Liwayway Alvaran said that the nuclear war would start during the summer of 2012. You promised to declare Ama a fraud and an impostor if it wouldn't happen. The prediction wasn't fulfilled and you broke your promise. And now you have the nerve to ask if we will change our beliefs "when it happens". You shouldn't wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

 

[Big Al]

I thought someone would have to go some to beat christophera of "WTC built with C4-coated rebar" fame, but PC far eclipses even him in mulish single-mindedness.

It's a troll, dudes. PC is having a laugh.

 

[SezMe]

I just share to you what I heard and learned. It is up to you if you will accept what the spirit of Ama says.

That makes it simple. Nobody here is ever going to accept the utter tripe and inanity that you post here. NOBODY. EVER.

Which is good news for you, PC. Now you can go find some other node on the www at which you might have some hope of finding delusional fools who would like to play in your deranged sandbox.

 

[turingtest]

I thought someone would have to go some to beat christophera of "WTC built with C4-coated rebar" fame, but PC far eclipses even him in mulish single-mindedness.

It's a troll, dudes. PC is having a laugh.

I agree with you that the effect- "mulish single-mindedness"- is the same, but (as with christophera*), I don't get the sense that PC is a troll, in the Anders Lindman mode, doing it for the lulz. I think PC is sincere; and he'll never change his mind because of that sincerity. PC can't be reasoned out of a position he didn't use reason to get into; a true troll, like Lindman, OTOH, shouldn't be reasoned with because his only reason is whatever it takes to get a rise out of folks.

*I read that whole "Realistice" thread a year or so ago, and one exchange in particular caught my attention. Christopher had been going on about a TV documentary he had supposedly seen that showed the Towers being built with a concrete core (with the C4-coated rebar); after being repeatedly challenged to produce the documentary, or at least evidence there had been one showing what he claimed it did, he finally (rather plaintively) wailed, "but how else would I know about the concrete core, how else would I know?" The ultimate circle supporting the delusion- having seen the documentary was evidence for knowing about the concrete core, and knowing about the concrete core was evidence for having seen the documentary.

 

[Agatha]

I see Peace Crusader is posting the 'famous' 19 prophecies. Just to save time, I'll repost an old post of mine:

1 VIOLENT WEATHER - More violent manifestations of the weather will occur, causing devastation to both people and crops

More violent than what? There will always be violent weather from time to time, and occasionally people or crops are caught up in it. This is not prophecy, merely a statement of how the world has always been.

2 UNNATURAL AND UNBELIEVABLE OCCURRENCES - The world will witness a number of unnatural and unbelievable occurrences, which are nevertheless true. For one, certain infants will be born with fully-grown hair and a complete set of adult teeth. Scared by this phenomenon, mothers of these infants will be driven to getting rid of such offspring. This is one Providential notice of displeasure over mankind 's waning regard for the Kingdom of God

This is nonsense. It is not unusual, unnatural or unbelievable for babies to be born with hair and/or teeth (though not adult ones, a baby's jaw would not be big enough), and mothers do not kill their children for this reason. Not fulfilled.

3 PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIP - Peoples' relationship with one another will take a bad turn and cause universal unrest

This isn't even trying to be a prophecy. There's nothing unusual about conflict and unrest, the human race has always been arguing over things. Not a prophecy.

4 CONFUSION OF WORSHIP - There will be worldwide confusion of worship caused by a lot of religious distortions by pseudo preachers for self-gain

Again, there has always been many different religions, and preachers who are motivated by money. Nothing new, so not a prophecy.

5 SIGNIFICANT REVELATIONS FROM HEAVEN - Heaven will make certain significant revelations which, however, will escape peoples' notice due to their engrossment in self-centered activities;

What significant revelations have been made from this non-existent place? Not fulfilled.

6 BREAK-UP OF FAMILIES - Breaking of families will come in many instances and places - brother against brother against sister against parents

Just like Jesus commanded? Many families argue. Not a prophecy, merely a statement of the status quo.

7 FIRES AND LIGHTNINGS - Fires will continue to wreck destruction all over the world, and lightning will demand quite a toll of human lives;

Fires and lightning have always happened and will continue to happen. About 44 people die every year in the US from being struck by lightning, but only about 10% of those struck will die from it. Not a prophecy, and not fulfilled.

8 DROUGHT - Worldwide drought will plague mankind, with the obvious consequence of plant-and-crop shortage;

Droughts in some places happen regularly, as do floods. This is a normal pattern. However, a worldwide drought has not happened. Not a prophecy and not fulfilled.

9 POPULATION EXPLOSION - Simultaneously, population will explode all over the globe, causing great turmoil;

As this is dependent on the previous one, this also fails. The population of the world is growing at the expected rate. Not fulfilled.

10 UNPRECEDENTED SORROW - Unprecedented sorrow will rock the whole world in the second or third month of 1980;

Didn't happen. Not fulfilled.

11 ALIENATION FROM GOD - People will become alienated from God due to the fact that their prayers and supplications, which are all self-serving, will not be heeded by Heaven;

Since prayers are not answered in any meaningful way anyway, this is not a prophecy.

12 MIGRATION OF WILD ANIMALS - People will be horribly concerned over the migration of wild animals to towns and urban places - a foreboding sign of an imminent famine in the Philippines

If such a thing happened in the Philippines it didn't make the world news. Undetermined without further information, but not measurable or timed, so more of a guess than a prophecy.

13 INSANITY - Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries

Didn't happen. Not fulfilled.

14 GOTACURAL DISEASE - A disease known as GOTACURAL will occur in epidemic proportions all over the land, and such disease will be incurable even by the known specialists of the medical profession;

We know you think this refers to AIDS, a disease which was known at the time of this prophecy, but as nobody ever refers to AIDS as GOTACURAL the prophecy fails on the first count. As hopes for a cure are high ( this, for example), the second part looks set to fail too. Not fulfilled.

15 WAR - The ambition and motivation for war will be perennial inducements among all races until such inducements are made manifest three years after 1979;

1982 was not a particularly bad or unusual year for war. Not specific or different enough from the status quo to be prophecy.

16 NAMELESS DISEASES - Nameless diseases will spread the cause of which will not be known, and such diseases will exact a heavy toll of human beings and work animals;

Not happened. Not fulfilled.

17 WORM PLAGUE - Worms of all kinds will plague crops and ricefields to destruction; all vegetation will be affected;

Not happened. Not fulfilled.

18 WOMEN'S LAX ON CHASTITY - Young, unmarried women lax on their chastity or virginity, will give rise to birth of illegitimate children, driving these women to commission of widespread infanticide;

More children are being born outside marriage, as many couples don't want to marry. But widespread infanticide has not happened as there is no stigma in most countries to having a baby outside marriage. Not fulfilled.

19 REVOLT OF THE ELEMENTS - The revolt of the elements will take a record high in the years following until the arrival or birth of the so-called 'anti-Christ'.

I have absolutely no idea what you might mean by "revolt of the elements". I need more information to determine whether this is a prophecy, and whether it has been fulfilled.

Peace Crusader, not one of these prophecies have been fulfilled, and most are so vague as to be essentially meaningless.

 

[Akhenaten]

Thanks Agatha. I was sure they'd been posted before.

Hard to see how PeaceCrusader's reposting of them now could be seen as anything other than straight-up spamming.

 

[LaurelHS]

At this point, PC, nothing you can say or do will change My mind. I want nothing less than an in-person physical encounter with your god, in the presence of witnesses -- With the god itself, not with Maria Alvaran whistling or going "Ummph" or speaking in funny voices under a bed sheet.

But Astreja, she falls down and then gets up again! How can you argue with such clear evidence of divinity?

Oh, wait, people fall down and get up again all the time. Never mind.

 

[Astreja]

But Astreja, she falls down and then gets up again! How can you argue with such clear evidence of divinity?

Oh, wait, people fall down and get up again all the time. Never mind.

By that token, there must be a lot of gods in gymnastic classes and judo and jiujutsu dojos. (bows low to Osotogari, god of sweep-kicking people in the back of the leg and dumping them on the tatami)

 

[LaurelHS]

When I saw Bruce Springsteen in concert, he pretended to collapse as part of his schtick and Steve Van Zandt had to "revive" him. And he puts Biblical references in his songs sometimes. I wonder why PeaceCrusader isn't worshiping him.

 

[Mojo]

I see Peace Crusader is posting the 'famous' 19 prophecies. Just to save time, I'll repost an old post of mine:

...

5 SIGNIFICANT REVELATIONS FROM HEAVEN - Heaven will make certain significant revelations which, however, will escape peoples' notice due to their engrossment in self-centered activities;

What significant revelations have been made from this non-existent place? Not fulfilled.

...

But they clearly escaped peoples' notice!