mikeb768
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So basically you still have nothing to support your position, nor any rational counter arguments to what has been put forward.
How much time do we really have?
So basically you still have nothing to support your position, nor any rational counter arguments to what has been put forward.
All I have is the accumulated knowledge of Science and History, which demonstrates conclusively that God stories are made up by people.
What do you have? An old book written by superstitious medieval Tribesmen from the Middle East. You apparently think those guys knew more about the world than modern science does.
OK, you can think that 7th century mystics had all the answers, in spite of them not knowing anything outside their cultural traditions, but don't expect sensible people to agree with you.
I don't have to link to any sources to know that the 7th century was not the most enlightened time on Earth. If you think it was, you have much to learn.
Please free yourself from the slavery you sold yourself into. In this day and age, kow-towing to sky Kings is very silly.
tsig
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Why did god use a messenger and not communicate directly with each of us what we should know and do?
tsig
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Did all the people before Muhammad go to hell?
mikeb768
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Hell will be presented before all of mankind on the Day of Judgement. And how would God punish anyone without prior warning, that would be unjust. [Prophets in Islam]
Why do you pretend to know things that you don't know?
Doesn't it bother you to lie to people like this?
It is not possible to know these things, so anyone who says they do know them is lying.
Pretty obvious really. Just because they do it from a position of power is no reason to believe them.
Why do you believe the liars who tell you these things?
Ooh, I know! The one telling you what God wants you to do, it's that guy. Because he is exploiting your vulnerability with his lies about heavenly communication.
What kind of a **** would you have to be, to do that to people?
devnull
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The same kind of person who would sleep with a 9 year old?
pakeha
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I'm just checking in after a longish absence from the thread and see this fallacy is still knocking around.
Why is mikeb still convinced this connection between Hemen-hotep and Haman is anything but at best, a mistake or at worst, a fraud?
Donn
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I didn't specify, but the two most discussed here, Hemen-hotep and the Iram thing, both show after the fact origins.
Meh.
Clarke wrote as he thought and lived, so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#Sri_Lanka
And Asimov,
http://mentalfloss.com/article/54343/12-predictions-isaac-asimov-made-about-2014-1964
(I didn't try very hard.)
Donn
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Because he has a Quran in the way.
Donn
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No.
mikeb768
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I didn't specify, but the two most discussed here, Hemen-hotep and the Iram thing, both show after the fact origins.
Meh.
Clarke wrote as he thought and lived, so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#Sri_Lanka
And Asimov,
http://mentalfloss.com/article/54343/12-predictions-isaac-asimov-made-about-2014-1964
(I didn't try very hard.)
No you didn't try very hard. I'm not even sure that you bothered to read what it is that you were posting, before posting it.
In 1974 (about 30 years after the first computer) Arthur C. Clarke predicted that we would one day have online banking, and online shopping. OK, maybe you are unaware of the fact that the development of the Internet can be traced back to 1958. This is an example of Post-hoc analysis/prediction, where someone looks at how things are developing and then makes an educated guess as to how they will turn out. Quite unimpressive, unless you are an atheist.
And are you truly impressed by the statements which were made by Sci-fi author Isaac Asimov in 1964? Where he managed for 3/12 of his guesses about the future to be correct.
1. The human race would be incurably bored?
2. Gadgets would be powered by "long-lived batteries running on isotopes."
3. Fission-power plants that would energize most of the world
4. "power stations in space, collecting sunlight by means of huge parabolic focusing devices and radiating the energy thus collected to earth."
5. "Jets of compressed air will also lift land vehicles off the highways, which, among other things, will minimize paving problems...cars will be capable of crossing water on their jets, though local ordinances will discourage the practice."
6. There would be robots
7. "compressed air tubes will carry goods and materials over local stretches, and the switching devices that will place specific shipments in specific destinations will be one of the city's marvels."
8. Humans would have colonized the moon
9. "cities in the deep sea with bathyscaphe liners."
10. The area from Boston to Washington, D.C. would become one big city
11. Life expectancy would hit 85 years old in some parts of the world
12. "the world of A.D. 2014 will have few routine jobs that cannot be done better by some machine than by any human being. Mankind will therefore have become largely a race of machine tenders."
Then by the criteria which you have just established the following predictions which were made by Muhammad (saw) would also be considered quite spectacular (if not miraculous
), considering the length of time before their actual occurrence, and the fact that many are much more specific.
[Islamic Eschatology Timeline] & [Minor Signs]
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BStrong
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I see one major difference.
Asimov was a real person, he lived, he died and he never claimed he was working for the god-man to straighten out the behavior of the masses.
All the god/allah/jive is just that, jive.
Asimov was a real person, he lived, he died and he never claimed he was working for the god-man to straighten out the behavior of the masses.
All the god/allah/jive is just that, jive.
Donn
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Now you're getting it.
I have asked you multiple times, in this thread, for a list ALL the predictions made in the Koran. Until you provide that, you are in no position to make claims, derogatory or otherwise, about other people's percentage of "hits" as compared to "misses" in their predictions.
Any chance of that list? It's about 10 weeks since I first asked.
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I think the list which I have compiled is pretty accurate, but if you believe that there is a better one, then by all means bring it forth (let us compare). If you disregard all of the red blocks (hadiths), and only take into consideration the green and orange blocks (Quran) you will have my version of the list.
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Where? Link please......
I'm not talking about the list you already gave us, selected only by the criteria of what suits your claims. I am talking about a list of ALL the predictions in the book. Oh, and it isn't up to me to provide this list: the onus is entirely with you as you are the one making the claims. I make no claims about the koran, the bible, or any other work of fiction.
I'm not talking about the list you already gave us, selected only by the criteria of what suits your claims. I am talking about a list of ALL the predictions in the book. Oh, and it isn't up to me to provide this list: the onus is entirely with you as you are the one making the claims. I make no claims about the koran, the bible, or any other work of fiction.
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