The prophecies of Ama

Even more frustrating than the failed prophecy of a nuclear war? #1216


If you believe in God, hurdygurdy, you call on Him especially when you are in trouble. You know that He is present. How about when He does not answer your SOS? It is like calling someone on the telephone. He picks up the phone but do not say anything. Even a ‘Hello’. Will you not be frustrated?

This maybe what Ama meant in the 1979 prophecy 11 (http://aristean.org/prophecyidx.htm ) which states: “People will become alienated from God due to the fact that their prayers and supplications, which are all self-serving, will not be heeded by Heaven.” Remember that this world is a testing ground, a sieve, a strainer. Matthew 24:13 states, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

I believe that Ama is the spirit of Jesus Christ. Watch out for the middle of the year that is a Wednesday. By quarter, it is the second and third quarters of the year from 04-01 to 09-30; by month, it is June and July from 06-01 to 07-31; and by day, it is 07-02 if it is a common or ordinary year, and 07-01 if it is a leap year.
 
Steel yourself to have your query ignored. PC doesn't like such questions.

And what the hell is wrong with "desire of the flesh" anyway? Can PC explain that? I bet not. #1211


What are the consequences of getting syphilis or gonorrhoea, abaddon? The person does not die yet but there are many complications. Still people did not stop the “desire of the flesh”. Then we have herpes. The person who contracts the disease does not die but the disease is very painful when it attacks. Still people did not stop the “desire of the flesh”. Then we have AIDS. A one-night stand may doom a person to his/her death. It is deadly. The spirit of Ama gave it a name—GOTACURAL: got a disease that is characterized by being incurable. This disease made its debut in 1980. Decades have passed and still there is no cure or vaccine despite works by well-known people in the medical profession. I am sorry to say that a cure will never be found.

When will people stop the “desire of the flesh”? Ama said that women are all the same. I believe Him. He/she may come from the same ethnic background, fat/thin, good-looking/ugly, short/tall, older/about same age/younger, black/white/colored skin, educated/not educated, etc. We are given our free will to choose who will be our partner in life.

Ama said that a person does not sin whatever sexual acts he/she may have with his/her spouse.
 
Words like these are too subjective to be called prophecies. Who gets to decide what "virtue" means? It's like when people talk about modest clothing. An outfit might be considered modest here in Canada and indecent in a place like Saudi Arabia. #1209


Virtue is not subjective, LaurelHS. If the commandment is from the one and only true God, then, I believe, it is virtuous. Is killing right? Exodus 20:13 states: “Thou shalt not kill.” Whatever is the justification, a person is prohibited from killing his fellowman.

Is the marriage of same sex couple right? Is abortion right? Is live-in right? Is putting a veil right? Is lying right? Is it right for women to wear trousers or pants?

Study different religions. Pick up what is good for your soul and discard what is evil. Search for the one and only true God. When you find Him, follow Him and submit your life to Him.
 
I believe that Ama is the spirit of Jesus Christ. Watch out for the middle of the year that is a Wednesday. By quarter, it is the second and third quarters of the year from 04-01 to 09-30; by month, it is June and July from 06-01 to 07-31; and by day, it is 07-02 if it is a common or ordinary year, and 07-01 if it is a leap year.


Yeah, you gave us precise dates in 2012 when you predicted the Olympic Games would not take place, and "Ama's" and your prophecies were complete and utter failures.

Why should anyone believe anything you say now?
 
Is lying right?


You tell me, liar.

If the prophecies were wrong, then I would admit that I was wrong and will consider the Holy Spirit that we (plural) talk to is a fraud, an impostor.


If the nuclear world war does not occur on Wednesday, 07-25, and the 2012 Olympic Games is held as planned, then I can say that His prophecies are wrong.


The prophecies of the Holy Spirit that the world war which will start from the trouble in the Philippines will occur on a Wednesday and that the 2012 Olympic Games in London will not be held, failed to materialize. Even though the Games will officially open tomorrow, 07-27, I cannot move the goal posts anymore because 07-25 is the last Wednesday for the month of July.

I would like to apologize to all of you. I am deeply sorry. I will refrain from discussing prophecies anymore and be tight-lipped on this. I will reconsider my belief that the Holy Spirit who we are talking to is the true Holy Spirit and so is my belief that Ka Apaz’ physical body is appropriated by this spirit. As I used to say, if we were to believe in a god, we have to be sure that He is the only true God. As God, He must be omniscient. That means, He knows the past, the present, and the future.
 
If you believe in God, hurdygurdy, you call on Him especially when you are in trouble. You know that He is present. How about when He does not answer your SOS? It is like calling someone on the telephone. He picks up the phone but do not say anything. Even a ‘Hello’. Will you not be frustrated?


As usual, you didn't answer my question. Is that silence even more frustrating for you than the failed prophecy of a nuclear war?

I still feel devastated by the failure of the prophecies of the spirit. Why have they failed?

I have one consolation though. Despite that the OG has already been closed, there is still the possibility that the Spratly Island dispute being claimed by the Philippines could bring a world war. When? I do not know. We just have to be prepared anytime.
 
Study different religions. Pick up what is good for your soul and discard what is evil. Search for the one and only true God. When you find Him, follow Him and submit your life to Him.


Do you think that looking forward to a nuclear war is good for your soul?
 
Virtue is not subjective, LaurelHS. If the commandment is from the one and only true God, then, I believe, it is virtuous. Is killing right? Exodus 20:13 states: “Thou shalt not kill.” Whatever is the justification, a person is prohibited from killing his fellowman.
So every soldier who has killed someone in a just war and every person who has killed in self defence is bound for hell?

What about all the people who (according to the Old Testament) God has killed? God must be burning in hell now, right?

Is the marriage of same sex couple right?
Yes.

Is abortion right?
Yes.

Is live-in right?
Yes.

Is putting a veil right?
Don't know what this means.

Is lying right?
In certain circumstances it's excusable.

Is it right for women to wear trousers or pants?
Of course.

Study different religions. Pick up what is good for your soul and discard what is evil. Search for the one and only true God. When you find Him, follow Him and submit your life to Him.
What if you don't find him?
 
If Maria Liwayway Alvaran or Ka Apaz is no longer the mouthpiece of the spirit of Ama, who is it, pakeha? Ama said that when Ka Apaz dies, we will no longer hear Him anywhere in the world. We may be calling Him, the receiver is lifted, but there is no reply. How frustrating!

PC, why are you ignoring what's been posted here:


OK, that was a waste of 77p, but here you go:

The book is in two languages, English and Filipino. A paragraph or so of English followed by (presumably) the same prose in Filipino.

There are only 28 pages to the book, split into six sections, which are headed respectively 'politics', 'entertainment', 'the murderer known as Z', 'the cult in crisis', 'environment' and 'wild man in the woods'.

Before the sections there is an introduction claiming that in January 2014, the "great spirit of Ama left her avatar upon the earth, abandoning the woman who had been her mouthpiece... who had told lies about Jesus the Messiah and.... Pontius Pilate and his origins". (Sounds familiar?)

The new host of Ama is a man, chosen in February 2014.

Politics:
Willard Romney is suffering from a slow-growing cancer.
Jeb Bush is not the man conservatives think he is, and if elected he will 'rend the Republican party in twain".
Ted Cruise [sic] is an idiot, and if elected the Republican party will cease to exist.
Sarah Palin is infatuated with Putin, and if elected then Alaska will secede from the USA and Palin will gift Alaska to Putin "as a betrothal gift." (Only she won't actually marry Putin).

Entertainment:
Rush Limbaugh has neither cancer nor syphilis, but he does have heart disease, but his addition to painkillers is such that they would be ineffective against the pain of a heart transplant so he will either die or be driven mad by pain.

The murderer known as Z:(it's fairly obvious who this is meant to be)
"He will commit four murders."
The first will be a boy, who will be accused of gang activity by the man's defenders. Z will be famous for this murder but will escape imprisonment. The second murder will not be discovered until after Z's death unless the woman who aided him in the cover-up informs the authorities.
He will commit many smaller sins that will not result in death.
The third murder will be a child, and the fourth will either be the woman if she helps him escape prosecution, or another inmate if he is imprisoned. He will then be killed by other prisoners.

The cult in crisis:
The leaders of an "American pagan cult" are terrified as their founding documents have been shown to be forged. A man who holds the proof of this will die in a fire in his home outside SLC Utah which will be set by cult members but ruled to be accidental. The documents are thought to be destroyed in the fire but are actually held by a loyal church member, who will bequeath them to his son. The son may release them in the future.

Environment:
"Two brothers are cooking the earth. They will die before they see the full effects of their actions. Their descendants will curse their names for generations to come. Their names will endure as icons of evil and wanton destruction for 500 years after the second of them dies. Their souls will never find rest."
That is the entirety of this chapter.

Wildman in the woods:
"A bard. He made his living that way once."
The bard is seeking power to in order to rectify wrongs he's committed, he's seen as a lunatic but he is not. He is not discreet. If he achieves power there will be chaos, but it will be no worse than any of his predecessors. "The bardic madman is a better choice than the fool from the north.".

Aaaaaand.... that's it.

Nothing about the Spratly Islands but perhaps the WWIII stuff was Maria Alvaran going off-script, which is why she's been sacked as Ama's mouthpiece and her soul consigned to hell.

What do you think, PeaceCrusader? Is this new mouthpiece of Ama right, and these six bits of 'prophecy' in his two weeks of channelling Ama are the real deal? Or is Ka Apaz the real mouthpiece of Ama?

Could you exlain what is going on here, PC?
Has Maria Liwayway Alvaran been replaced as Ama's mouthpiece?
When did you learn about it?
Why do you continue to quote the words of Maria Liwayway Alvaran if she's been replaced by the author of that e-book?
 
Virtue is not subjective, LaurelHS. If the commandment is from the one and only true God, then, I believe, it is virtuous. Is killing right? Exodus 20:13 states: “Thou shalt not kill.” Whatever is the justification, a person is prohibited from killing his fellowman.
Actually it says, "Thou shalt not murder," which is a very different thing.
 
What are the consequences of getting syphilis or gonorrhoea, abaddon? The person does not die yet but there are many complications. Still people did not stop the “desire of the flesh”. Then we have herpes. The person who contracts the disease does not die but the disease is very painful when it attacks. Still people did not stop the “desire of the flesh”. Then we have AIDS. A one-night stand may doom a person to his/her death. It is deadly. The spirit of Ama gave it a name—GOTACURAL: got a disease that is characterized by being incurable. This disease made its debut in 1980. Decades have passed and still there is no cure or vaccine despite works by well-known people in the medical profession. I am sorry to say that a cure will never be found.
Oh please. Most of those diseases have been around for hundreds of years. Guess what? The human race is still here. And AIDS? The first documented case was in 1959, so your "debut in 1980 is a flat out lie. As for GOTACURAL Ka Apaz made some gibberish pronouncement which you proceeded to bash about with the hammer of ignorance to fit anything you could make up.

When will people stop the “desire of the flesh”? Ama said that women are all the same. I believe Him. He/she may come from the same ethnic background, fat/thin, good-looking/ugly, short/tall, older/about same age/younger, black/white/colored skin, educated/not educated, etc. We are given our free will to choose who will be our partner in life.

Ama said that a person does not sin whatever sexual acts he/she may have with his/her spouse.
Oh really? What happens after your longed for apocalypse when you have ten partners? Your god says you can only marry one, so I guess it's adultery all the way for you.
 
If you believe in God, hurdygurdy, you call on Him especially when you are in trouble. You know that He is present. How about when He does not answer your SOS? It is like calling someone on the telephone. He picks up the phone but do not say anything. Even a ‘Hello’. Will you not be frustrated?

This maybe what Ama meant in the 1979 prophecy 11 (http://aristean.org/prophecyidx.htm ) which states: “People will become alienated from God due to the fact that their prayers and supplications, which are all self-serving, will not be heeded by Heaven.” Remember that this world is a testing ground, a sieve, a strainer. Matthew 24:13 states, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

I believe that Ama is the spirit of Jesus Christ. Watch out for the middle of the year that is a Wednesday. By quarter, it is the second and third quarters of the year from 04-01 to 09-30; by month, it is June and July from 06-01 to 07-31; and by day, it is 07-02 if it is a common or ordinary year, and 07-01 if it is a leap year.

That's still a failed prophesy.

Your "prophet" has been discredited. Debunked. Proven a fraud, and Ama has chosen a new prophet.

I looked up the book just to post a link, and lo and behold, it's currently FREE!

Ama has abandoned her old speaker, casting her into Hell for telling lies in the name of Ama. Ama has chosen a new speaker, a new prophet through whom she will speak. Read these words and heed them.
 
And AIDS? The first documented case was in 1959, so your "debut in 1980 is a flat out lie. As for GOTACURAL Ka Apaz made some gibberish pronouncement which you proceeded to bash about with the hammer of ignorance to fit anything you could make up.


"Ama" predicted something that had already happened, and still managed to get the date wrong?

Par for the course.
 
"Ama" predicted something that had already happened, and still managed to get the date wrong?

Par for the course.

No, let's clarify, Ka Apaz got the date wrong. We have only the word of Ka Apaz about what Ama did or did not say.

Ama is an unknown, Ka Apaz is an idiot who can't even do remedial research before issuing a proclamation.
 

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