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Dean Clifford Discussion Thread

Watched that while eating lunch some classic lines in there one where he tells the court officers

..give them to the count of three....

They just ignored him except to make very, very sure he knew he could request bail, get a lawyer or sit in jail - he went for sitting in jail

Brilliant
 
That was quite amusing, but I have a bad feeling that what with confirmation bias and all, other freemen will home in on the part where the judge said, "I already know you're Mr. Clifford since you answer when I ask you and I address you as Mr. Clifford," and declare it to be the reason why Dean failed. It's long been a staple of FOTL lore that the courts throw all kinds of subtle little tricks and traps at you to try and fool you into consenting or contracting with them, and once you fall for one of them, it's all over. Answering to the strawman's name is definitely considered to be one of them.
 
Horatius said:
...so, wait, who is it who is Sovereign here? Does he even know what that word means?
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A word in the dictionary somewhere between sober and sozzled?

Most FOTL types seem to take a Humpty Dumpty approach to definitions.
 
arayder said:
An update on Dean's January 28th hearing from a Dean-friendly alternative media outlet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUHUnbTEKQulVhHvj349WLfw&v=qr5Z3z74AFk
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Man, that video is just the epitome of the Argument By YouTube genre. Hand-held shaky-cam selfie video of some guy rambling for five plus minutes, relaying content that I could have read in about 30 seconds.

I really wish these guys would learn that video is best for recording things that are actually happening. Instead of telling me about the "closed courtroom", and people being "frisked", try actually getting video of that happening! If all you want to do is record your opinion, *********** type it already!

Alas, if I don't record the above in a YouTube video, they'll never hear it...
 
Horatius said:
. . .I really wish these guys would learn that video is best for recording things that are actually happening. Instead of telling me about the "closed courtroom", and people being "frisked". . .
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One has to wonder what's up when, 2 full days after his hearing, Dean nor his simian sibling have piped up with their usual stupid the judges and cops rant.

Or is the "I'll be out of here any day now" line getting old?
 
So he is still in jail waiting for the next hearing. I am ignorant of the canadian court procedures, when will he get sentenced?
 
hgus said:
So he is still in jail waiting for the next hearing. I am ignorant of the canadian court procedures, when will he get sentenced?
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Traditionally those namby-pamby Canadians wait until after the conviction. :)
I don't believe this has happened yet?
 
Given the normal level of freeman shenanigans, who knows. The March 7 hearing isn't being billed as a trial, so we're apparently still at the pretrial stage, Dean must enter a plea (if he refuses to, a plea of "not guilty" will be entered for him), and then any pre trial motions (likely Dean's lack of jurisdiction/you're not the boss of me "argument", and other freeman nonsense) need to be heard. Dean's milking his stay as a guest of Her Majesty until the snow's gone - which being Winterpeg, should be May, maybe late April.
 
Reports on Quatloos are Mr. Clifford is facing narcotics charges, specifically running a grow-op: Controlled Drug and Substances Act, s. 7. If that is correct then his trial proper will be some way off. That is an indictable offence and therefore can only be heard at the higher trial court, the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

That means there will be two major steps in the proceeding. First, there is usually a pre-trial preliminary hearing at the provincial court level, and if the Crown establishes it has a prima facie case then a full trial will be scheduled at the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

I don't know how backlogged the Manitoba courts are but it will certainly be months before that process is complete.

Chaetognath
 
Now Dean's crew is claiming he's a political prisoner!

Nothing could be further from the truth. Far from being the freeman Nelson Mandela, Dean's crimes and misdeeds, uncharged, alleged and fully adjudicated include driving without an auto license and insurance, reckless driving, assaulting a police officer, failing to appear in court, fleeing the court's jurisdiction, growing marihuana, and illegal firearm possession.

He's being treated like the punk criminal he is.

Despite having spouted his lame freeman defense in court Clifford has not been charged in any way with having used these arguments.

Freemen who have been duped into thinking Dean's being punish for using freeman theory should be asking why he's using the same old failed theories in an attempt to cover up his common criminality.
 
Chaetognath said:
Reports on Quatloos are Mr. Clifford is facing narcotics charges, specifically running a grow-op: Controlled Drug and Substances Act, s. 7. If that is correct then his trial proper will be some way off. That is an indictable offence and therefore can only be heard at the higher trial court, the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

That means there will be two major steps in the proceeding. First, there is usually a pre-trial preliminary hearing at the provincial court level, and if the Crown establishes it has a prima facie case then a full trial will be scheduled at the Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench.

I don't know how backlogged the Manitoba courts are but it will certainly be months before that process is complete.

Chaetognath
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Thanks! The justice system is slow grinding everywhere it seems. :)
 
http://deanclifford.info/2014/02/12/update-brandon/

Dean's seems to be losing it. He's going to sue everyone, have them arrested, get all his trucks and guns back and fix it so the authorities never mess with him again. When he gets out he's going to quit the construction business and become a full time freeman lawyer.

Now there's a story.

If things go as badly as they might, when Dean gets out his muttonchops will be out of style, everybody he's ever worked construction with will be retired and former freemen will remember him as the dumb arse who got busted after publicly challenging the cops to do something about his armed grow-op.
 
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