Syria and UN Security Council Decision

[trustbutverify]

Looks like a bunch of pure, unadulterated idiocy to me.

It's Childlike Empress quoting Sibel Edmonds. What else could it have been?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Interesting developments in the run-up to "Geneva". Shortly after Kerry finally got the puppet exile opposition SNC to agree to attend, out of the blue Yankee Moon invited Iran to take part! This got Kerry foaming at the mouth with the Israel lobby breathing up his neck, and the SNC setting an ultimatum for the UN to retract the invitation. That ended an hour ago apparently without UN action. While Iran has of course much more influence on the issue than the clowns in their hotels in Paris so their participation is a must for serious negotiations, it will look odd if the western-approved "opposition" won't be represented at all.

This while the Syrian Kurds have fired up several Twitter storms and real life demonstrations demanding a seat at the table, apparently without reactions from both the US and Russia. Word is that they are going to declare self-rule this night. I hope that's just a rumour because while I support their struggle, my feeling is that the timing couldn't be worse.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Nice try to get rid of your nickname, Yankee.

Washington Post: U.N. backs down in standoff over Iran, opening way to Syria talks

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Assad interview with AFP (for the blame-the-messenger idiots, that's Agence France Press), first question:

Mr. President, what do you expect from the Geneva conference?

President Assad: The most basic element, which we continuously refer to, is that the Geneva Conference should produce clear results with regard to the fight against terrorism in Syria. In particular, it needs to put pressure on countries that are exporting terrorism, - by sending terrorists, money and weapons to terrorist organisations, - especially Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and of course the Western countries that provide political cover for these terrorist organisations. This is the most important decision or result that the Geneva Conference could produce. Any political solution that is reached without fighting terrorism has no value. There can be no political action when there is terrorism everywhere, not only in Syria but in neighbouring countries as well. From the political side, it is possible for Geneva to contribute to a process of dialogue between Syrians. There has to be a Syrian process within Syria and whilst Geneva could support this, it cannot be a substitute for it.

[...]

 

[Eddie Dane]

This while the Syrian Kurds have fired up several Twitter storms and real life demonstrations demanding a seat at the table, apparently without reactions from both the US and Russia. Word is that they are going to declare self-rule this night. I hope that's just a rumour because while I support their struggle, my feeling is that the timing couldn't be worse.

Why?

You take control of situations when they are in flux.

I would also support a Kurdish state and I think they'll do better than either Assad's fascist torture state or the Islamist hellholes.
Plus, if the Islamist militias decide to screw with the Kurds, they will probably get a replay of the ass-kicking they received from Hezbollah.
And a Kurdish state would have a good chance of becoming an actual democracy.

Theoretically, that could a be faction we (the West) could actually back with money and weapons without running the risk of supporting the Muslim version of Pol Pot.

Of course we won't because Erdogan would raise hell.

 

[The Don]

Those who are pro-Assad will probably write all of this off as Western propaganda but.....

There is clear evidence that Syria has systematically tortured and executed about 11,000 detainees since the start of the uprising, a report by three former war crimes prosecutors says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25822571

Of course the Islamist members of the opposition would probably do worse if they got into power.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Those who are pro-Assad will probably write all of this off as Western propaganda but.....



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25822571

Of course the Islamist members of the opposition would probably do worse if they got into power.

Video to go with that message. (CNN showing photographs + analysis)
gruesome and NSFW, obviously.

 

[Puppycow]

Zionist lies I'm sure. Just like the UN finding from a couple years ago that the Assad regime was torturing children.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Zionist lies I'm sure. Just like the UN finding from a couple years ago that the Assad regime was torturing children.

Take your anti-semitism elsewhere.

DER SPIEGEL has an interesting prediction in its report about the report:

Syriens Regierung hat sich bislang nicht zu den Vorwürfen geäußert. Die Reaktion ist jedoch vorhersehbar: Das Regime wird den Bericht als ausländische Verschwörung zurückweisen, die von Katar gesteuert wird. "Caesar" hatte sich mit seinem Material an eine syrische Oppositionsgruppe gewandt, die von dem Golfstaat unterstützt wird. Anschließend beauftragte Katar eine Londoner Anwaltskanzlei damit, die Glaubwürdigkeit des Informanten und seiner Bilder zu prüfen.

They predict that "Assad" will reject the report as part of a foreign conspiracy coordinated by Qatar. Why? Because "Caesar"'s material came through "an opposition group supported by Qatar" and Qatar was it who payed a "London law firm" to check the credibility of the informant and his material. Are they running for the million or is this a message to the reader?

Anyway, we as Skeptics know of course that this is crazy talk and the fine humanitarians in Doha are just acting selflessly to help the poor people of Syria. And HRW never ran with faulty "intelligence" to demonize enemies of Empire. Or if they did, we can't remember, can we?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Why?

You take control of situations when they are in flux.

I would also support a Kurdish state and I think they'll do better than either Assad's fascist torture state or the Islamist hellholes.
Plus, if the Islamist militias decide to screw with the Kurds, they will probably get a replay of the ass-kicking they received from Hezbollah.
And a Kurdish state would have a good chance of becoming an actual democracy.

Theoretically, that could a be faction we (the West) could actually back with money and weapons without running the risk of supporting the Muslim version of Pol Pot.

Of course we won't because Erdogan would raise hell.

Mainly because of the very dangerous situation in Turkey atm. If "Erdogan raises hell" more than he already does, the already difficult peace process with the Kurds in Turkey could fail and then the whole region including Turkey might face even more chaos. And the Syrian Kurds have already de-facto self-rule since Summer 2012, just not officially declared with the intent to break from the Syrian state. They shouldn't endanger this by bold moves they cannot defend.

You should know btw that the Islamist militias are already screwing with the Kurds, for many months, because I reported about that and how the Erdogan regime helps them. The latest bold episode just happened on the weekend, check this out.

[...] After explosives-detecting dogs gave appropriate signals, the prosecutor allowed steel containers in the trucks to be opened. In six metal crates, concealed among medical supplies, were mortar shells, rockets and various other ammunition. While the trucks were being moved to nearby Seyhan Town Gendarmerie Command for a detailed search, the trucks were blocked by MIT personnel from their Adana regional office. At that point, the governor, Adana Huseyin Avni Cos, the provincial police chief and the MIT regional director arrived at the scene accompanied by 200 policemen. Cos tried for one hour to persuade the prosecutor not to go ahead with the search but couldn’t. Then Cos wrote to the Ceyhan district governor and the Adana Provincial Gendarmerie Command, warning that the MIT was attached directly to the prime minister and searching MIT vehicles without the permission of the prime minister’s office would be an offense. The vehicles then were released under the governor’s instructions and continued on their way toward Syria. [...]

 

[Childlike Empress]

It seems the Syrian Kurds divided their territory into three "cantons" and the one in the very north-eastern part of Syria is called Cizîre and indeed declared "democratic autonomy" last night. Didn't find a map showing that canton (just the city which seems to belong to Turkey) but here is the pronounced government including the president-elect Ekrem Heso.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Sibel Edmonds has written a very pointed and read-worthy piece about Erdogan's fall from grace. He seems to be toast but is a fox and always good for a surprise. Maybe he'll apologize to Assad and kick NATO out? Who knows. He's still responsible for countless dead Syrians and will be a minor figure standing in the coming new Nürnberg trials.

Here's a very watch-worthy just published elaboration on this article.

 

[Virus]

Take your anti-semitism elsewhere.

DER SPIEGEL has an interesting prediction in its report about the report:




They predict that "Assad" will reject the report as part of a foreign conspiracy coordinated by Qatar. Why? Because "Caesar"'s material came through "an opposition group supported by Qatar" and Qatar was it who payed a "London law firm" to check the credibility of the informant and his material. Are they running for the million or is this a message to the reader?

Anyway, we as Skeptics know of course that this is crazy talk and the fine humanitarians in Doha are just acting selflessly to help the poor people of Syria. And HRW never ran with faulty "intelligence" to demonize enemies of Empire. Or if they did, we can't remember, can we?

Are you denying that Assad tortures people? Because that would be like denying Al-Qaeda was behind 9/11.

 

[The Don]

They predict that "Assad" will reject the report as part of a foreign conspiracy coordinated by Qatar. Why? Because "Caesar"'s material came through "an opposition group supported by Qatar" and Qatar was it who payed a "London law firm" to check the credibility of the informant and his material. Are they running for the million or is this a message to the reader?

Anyway, we as Skeptics know of course that this is crazy talk and the fine humanitarians in Doha are just acting selflessly to help the poor people of Syria. And HRW never ran with faulty "intelligence" to demonize enemies of Empire. Or if they did, we can't remember, can we?

Is it your assertion that the Assad regime doesn't torture dissidents and that the evidence is fabricated ?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Is it your assertion that the Assad regime doesn't torture dissidents and that the evidence is fabricated ?

No, and not unlikely. Is it your assertion that this "report" should be taken at face value given the circumstances?

 

[The Don]

No, and not unlikely. Is it your assertion that this "report" should be taken at face value given the circumstances?

I'm confused, maybe something got lost in the translation. Your response indicated that it it not your assertion that the Assad regime does not torture dissidents (i.e. you believe that it does) - I thought you held the opposing view, that it does not.

I think that the report (why the scare quotes ?) should stand on its own merits. If the way in which the raw information was paid for has resulted in inaccurate or indeed false information being provided then that would make the report false. On the other hand, proposing to disregard it because information was sourced by opponents of the regime would make if virtually impossible for such information to come to light - after all anyone who is providing such information is by definition an opponent of the regime (should we disregard Edward Snowden's evidence because he is an opponent of the US security services' information gathering programme).

 

[Childlike Empress]

I'm confused, maybe something got lost in the translation. Your response indicated that it it not your assertion that the Assad regime does not torture dissidents (i.e. you believe that it does) - I thought you held the opposing view, that it does not.

Black and white views are not helpful. I'm not "pro-Assad" and I'm certainly not pro-the Syrian police state. I'm pro-Syria and very strongly anti-Propaganda.

Here are links to Muallem's and Jarba's speeches at the conference, will watch later (edit: should there be a translation available. Geez, UN).

 

[The Don]

Still confused.....

So is your position that the Assad regime tortures dissidents but the evidence in the report referred to is likely to be fabricated ?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Still confused.....

So is your position that the Assad regime tortures dissidents but the evidence in the report referred to is likely to be fabricated ?

There's a vast difference between what this report alleges (it's Hitler all over, see Eddie's "syrische_holocaust.html" link) and what the Syrian police state is known for - not least because of their service in the "war on terror" -, which is pretty much on par with the conventions in the region.

 

[The Don]

There's a vast difference between what this report alleges (it's Hitler all over, see Eddie's "syrische_holocaust.html" link)

I admit that I haven't read the full report, i would not even know how to access it, merely press coverage of its findings.

Does the report itself refer to a Syrian Holocaust or is that a term coined by the website Eddie Dane linked to which carries the CNN link ?

and what the Syrian police state is known for - not least because of their service in the "war on terror" -, which is pretty much on par with the conventions in the region.

Presumably that was the Syrian police state before they had to contend with an insurrection/civil war.