Continued: (Ed) Atheism Plus/Free Thought Blogs (FTB)

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I was adopted as a child by two black transgender lesbians. They were abusive throughout my entire childhood. Since being an adult I've tried not being abusive towards people of a different race, gender, gender identity and sexuality to myself, but I find myself panicking if I, for example, see a black person and don't shout the n-word at them. The nights I go out gay-bashing are therapy for me. I can't function unless I do it at least once a week, preferably twice.

I wonder how many A+ers would accept that logic?
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They would, probably blaming it on one or more non-disabled white males, probably old. Insidious patriarchy!
 
qwints said:
What logic? I can certainly imagine a human who 'needs' to harm other humans, and there are a depressingly large number of example of people who have intentionally and repeatedly inflicted suffering on others. I don't think that person's psychological need/desire to inflict harm justifies doing so. On the other hand, I think there are a lot of human needs/desires that justify killing and eating animals.
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So it's not the logic itself, it's just the degree to which you apply it.
 
I'm still at a loss for what logic we're talking about. All I see is the moral proposition that human need/desire sometimes justify otherwise objectionable actions. See animal testing or self-defense for other examples.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Oh no....PZ's new found animal rights stance is leading him to attack the religion of brown people.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng...freethoughtblogs/pharyngula+(FTB:+Pharyngula)
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They're going after the brown people at A+ as well. They're trying to at least, if they can ever figure out what to call the thread. It seems there's a problem with the word homosexual, which gives rise to the question as to why they toss around the word homophobia so much if the prefix homo is such a "problem". It looks like they settled on the term non-heterosexual ( big problem because around here heterosexual is a dog whistle for heterophobia;) ) when the term gay/lesbian sex would have served them just fine.

That FtB thread made me thing of this song for some reason....Cows With Guns.

 
qwints said:
I'm still at a loss for what logic we're talking about. All I see is the moral proposition that human need/desire sometimes justify otherwise objectionable actions. See animal testing or self-defense for other examples.
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I dunno, maybe it is a silly argument. I've had 5 hours sleep since Friday morning, so I'm happy to admit I might not be firing on all cylinders.
 
Stout said:
That comes from the idea that most Muslims are brown people and to criticize Islam is to criticize brown people and is, therefore, RACIST !!
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True, anyone who dares to criticize Islam will quickly be hit over the head with the racism club.
 
When did PZ become crazy? Is there any chance of him returning to skepticism/science, or is he a lost case?
 
Humes fork said:
When did PZ become crazy? Is there any chance of him returning to skepticism/science, or is he a lost case?
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He's a biology professor - pretty sure he never left science. Given his poston the subject, I doubt he'll identify with skepticism again anytime soon.

ETA: On the other hand, you might label this recent post as skepticism.
 
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He's a biology professor - pretty sure he never left science. Given his poston the subject, I doubt he'll identify with skepticism again anytime soon.

ETA: On the other hand, you might label this recent post as skepticism.
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He might upset some of his readership with that particular contribution.
It's clearly from someone with some very troubling issues, but I'm sure there'll be a few on there who identify with it.
 
Dissolution said:
He [PZ] might upset some of his readership with that particular contribution.
It's clearly from someone with some very troubling issues, but I'm sure there'll be a few on there who identify with it.
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PZ's tickling the third rail. His readership might now be privately discussing "what to do about the PZ problem."

All intercourse is rape? That's what she said.

PZ risks falling on the wrong side of the "you are either with us, or against us" dichotomy: the misogynist's side. By indicating there are some insane positions from the feminist side, he risks being dumped entirely from their cult. Think of the reaction if Dawkins, Lindsay, or Shermer had written it, and how feminists avoid it like a third rail.
 
qwints said:
He's a biology professor - pretty sure he never left science. Given his poston the subject, I doubt he'll identify with skepticism again anytime soon.
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Heh. I liked that talk by Jamy Smith. Well, it got slightly angry and repetitive near the end, but overall I liked it. It's not surprising PZ hates hearing the definition of "skepticism" emphasized so emphatically, given how he feels about the definition of "atheism" being pointed out. It seems he is frustrated that the terms skepticism and atheism are too inclusive.


Mr. Scott said:
PZ's tickling the third rail. His readership might now be privately discussing "what to do about the PZ problem."

All intercourse is rape? That's what she said.

PZ risks falling on the wrong side of the "you are either with us, or against us" dichotomy: the misogynist's side. By indicating there are some insane positions from the feminist side, he risks being dumped entirely from their cult. Think of the reaction if Dawkins, Lindsay, or Shermer had written it, and how feminists avoid it like a third rail.
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I don't think I've seen any radfems among the pharyngula/A+ crowd. I've only seen the two groups in conflict and that was over the issue of transgendereds/transexuals who radfems hate. A radfem of the man-hating, trans-hating variety (yes they do actually exist and openly admit to these hatreds--not a charicature) would never be a PZ fan in the first place.

Then again, it does sound like PZ is violating the SJWfem "listen to the women" rule (not that they've ever applied it fairly or consistently).
 
Stout said:
That comes from the idea that most Muslims are brown people and to criticize Islam is to criticize brown people and is, therefore, RACIST !!
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I'm going to have to eat that statement as it looks like winds of change are blowing through A+

Poster Exi5estentialist, the guy who used to have a Muslim banner in his sig line, has mounted a "welcome Muslims to A+" campaign and is getting soundly spanked for his efforts. Seems they don't want to entertain theistic arguments even if they do come from the religion of brown people.

Weird

What happened ?

See their threads

Welcoming Muslims to Atheism Plus
University Challenges
Gay American Imam
Islamophobia and Homophobia: Connections
 
I was about to comment on that. Some of the threads are basically three people arguing. A lot of activity, but I didn't see the old guard weighing in with the Official A+ answer.
 
Oh hey, I figured you guys would be eating popcorn.

I think this conversation would be going very differently if ceepolk were still around.

Do note, since a lot of you have been pretty categorical in your contempt for all A-plussers, that I am not the only one trying to be reasonable.
 
Amadanb said:
Oh hey, I figured you guys would be eating popcorn.

I think this conversation would be going very differently if ceepolk were still around.

Do note, since a lot of you have been pretty categorical in your contempt for all A-plussers, that I am not the only one trying to be reasonable.
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I was just waiting for a second mod to show up on one of the threads before commenting because ( no doubt ) the issue is being discussed in the mod area in order to determine the direction the mod team will go on this. I don't doubt that were ceepolk holding the reigns the outcome would have been quite different, a lot of "heavy lifting" would have been done.

The contempt hasn't usually been directed at all Aplussers, it's mostly been directed at the moderating style that allowed the high degree of crazy to dictate what was considered acceptable thought.

The voice(s) of reason were quickly shut down, not just by ceepolk but by the entire mod team which created a forum culture that was the antithesis of skeptical thinking/critical thought. The reasonable Aplussers didn't stand a chance in that environment.
 
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