Proving the Aurora Theater Shooting's official story false

[Tomtomkent]

Can somebody please tell me which news channel had the announcer periodically state:
"We now return you to the Mercury Theatre production of 'The Darkest Knight Riseth' already in progress", or as with the Orson Welles War Of The Worlds (the only reason I can see for his Wiki being in any way relevant) diverged into a traditional radio drama giving up the "live" pretense after two thirds of the run time?

 

[fromdownunder]

Honesty or truth, whatever you want to call it, aren't often prevelant characteristic traits that I see in today's 'society'.

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As for me saying he was dressed like batman, that was what I had thought the story went like.

Yes, I see what you say about honesty and truth. You are one of the people you just described in your first sentence. You don't care about either and could not even bother to verify what you "thought" (if that's the word I'm groping for) about either before you made your "Batman" costume up. You "thought" the story went like that, but it did not. Not ever.

How could I possibly ever consider anything you say as being true when you cannot even remember what happened a year or so ago, and simply made stuff up about it?

Norm

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Can somebody please tell me which news channel had the announcer periodically state:
"We now return you to the Mercury Theatre production of 'The Darkest Knight Riseth' already in progress", or as with the Orson Welles War Of The Worlds (the only reason I can see for his Wiki being in any way relevant) diverged into a traditional radio drama giving up the "live" pretense after two thirds of the run time?

Next he'll tell us Four Lions was a docu-drama.

 

[Mudcat]

Honesty or truth, whatever you want to call it, aren't often prevelant characteristic traits that I see in today's 'society'. Friends and family lie to each other for various reasons, some as innocent as lying to someone to protect their feelings. People lie all the time and can justify it whatever way they like. People lie on their cv's to get jobs they other wise wouldn't be able to get, and once they're in the door the deceitful nature of humans and capitalism means that the lies don't stop there. The higher up it goes in the world of big business, the more dog eat dog it gets, and many under hand and dishonest, dis truthful, acts take place. Example, Do you think Richard Branson or Alan Sugar made their billions by being 100% honest creatures, of course you shouldn't, they told many a lie, white-lie, and trampled on weaker competitors to get where they are.

The notion of truth is barely conceivable in the modern world. You wont find truth in the adverts that we're bombarded with, or on sky tv, from what I gather even the low level free masons don't have access to much 'truth'. The internet is a big place, luckily, so at least honesty and truthful people are found all over cyber space. It's a shame some of you guys take the official line stance, because the evidence of fakery in the media goes back a long time. Here's a couple of examples of people who have set the trend for modern day fakery:

My, what a dim view of people you have.

I have a hypothetical situation for you: Let's say that one day that you woke up to hear gun shots. You stick your head outside to see a strange man with a bundle of long arms strapped to his back shooting at your neighbors before ultimately turning his weapon on himself and committing suicide. When all is said is done, thirty people are dead including the shooter. Including your [insert close relative here], who was making breakfast in the kitchen downstairs and was killed when one of the shots penetrated the house and went through their head.

This isn't a very far fetched situation because we have a gun problem in this country and always will as long as the Gunloverstanians have their way, but the question you have to answer is this: What are you going to believe? Are you going to believe that people can act in unpredictable, sometimes horrible ways? Or are you going to believe it's some kind of 'false-flag' or whatever hogwash you conspiracy theorists go on about?

 

[tsig]

I see you're quick off the mark there again Safe-Keeper. The thing is, after all the previous psy ops like 9/11, London 7/7 and so on, they all start looking the same so now I only bother to look at bits of what you call a 'case' because from where i'm sitting it all looks fabricated and surreal.

Does anything real happen in your world?

 

[Biscuit]

So still no proof. Shocking!

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Does anything real happen in your world?

I asked him this precise question earlier, but to everyone's great surprise he seems to have missed that post, so for everyone's , I'll ask again:

OneTime, you say shooting sprees don't happen because "humans don't have a motive for carrying out such acts". Below I've put together a scale of sorts of misdeeds, from the innocouous (spelling?) to the most horrific evils of human history.

Where on this scale do you draw the line?

┌ leaving the toilet seat up
├ trolling message boards
├ stealing roommate's food from refridgerator
├ cheating on an exam
├ lifting candy from a shop every time you go there
├ kicking a cat
├ punching a child
├ cheating on your true love
├ calling in a bomb threat to an elementary school
├ driving drunk
├ bullying a classmate for years
├ savagely beating someone to the point where they require hospitalization
├ subjecting a partner to domestic abuse over a significant time period
├ raping someone
├ shooting and killing an innocent person
├ going on a shooting spree
├ starting a revolution and installing a brutal dictatorship
├ starting a war of imperialism that kills hundreds of thousands
├ taking over a country by force and selling its populace to slavers on different continents
└ attempting genocide (Rwanda, the Holocaust, etc.).

Please tell me where on this scale things start to get too unrealistic for you.
Do bank robberies happen? What about WWII? The European empires? The Holocaust? Mao's Great Leap Forward?

Funny thing is, you seem to have no problem believing in corrupt politicians and businesses and huge conspiracies involving hundreds of thousands to millions of people, but a shooting at a theatre? Nah, too horrible. Only happens in action films.

 

[Denver]

I asked him this precise question earlier, but to everyone's great surprise he seems to have missed that post, so for everyone's , I'll ask again:

OneTime, you say shooting sprees don't happen because "humans don't have a motive for carrying out such acts". Below I've put together a scale of sorts of misdeeds, from the innocouous (spelling?) to the most horrific evils of human history.

Where on this scale do you draw the line?

┌ leaving the toilet seat up
├ trolling message boards
├ stealing roommate's food from refridgerator
├ cheating on an exam
├ lifting candy from a shop every time you go there
├ kicking a cat
├ punching a child
├ cheating on your true love
├ calling in a bomb threat to an elementary school
├ driving drunk
├ bullying a classmate for years
├ savagely beating someone to the point where they require hospitalization
├ subjecting a partner to domestic abuse over a significant time period
├ raping someone
├ shooting and killing an innocent person
├ going on a shooting spree
├ starting a revolution and installing a brutal dictatorship
├ starting a war of imperialism that kills hundreds of thousands
├ taking over a country by force and selling its populace to slavers on different continents
└ attempting genocide (Rwanda, the Holocaust, etc.).

Hey that is a really nice color progression! Did you construct and type that all in yourself, or is there a button someplace to do it?

 

[OneTime]

Part of the agenda seems to be to mess with peoples minds andblur the lines of reality and fiction with their media and social networking fakery. With the millions of fake facebook and twitter accounts, which are created solely to steer public opinion, it's nigh impossible to disprove all the fake witness' and family victims.

Prove that there are any real direct victims or family victims in these psy ops?

 

[DGM]

Part of the agenda seems to be to mess with peoples minds andblur the lines of reality and fiction with their media and social networking fakery. With the millions of fake facebook and twitter accounts, which are created solely to steer public opinion, it's nigh impossible to disprove all the fake witness' and family victims.

Prove that there are any real direct victims or family victims in these psy ops?

You're talking about the conspiracy theorists, right?

Please tell me I'm right.

 

[Craig4]

OneTime is likely a smear campaign disinformant troll. Ignore it.

Evidence?

 

[beachnut]

.. Prove that there are any real direct victims or family victims in these psy ops?

They are all real. Oops, claim failed.

The burden of proof lies with your claim; your claim is nonsense, a lie; unless you have proof. You don't. Finding proof takes work. Will you be doing work?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

[off-topic public service announcement]

Hey that is a really nice color progression! Did you construct and type that all in yourself, or is there a button someplace to do it?

Took the line thingies from Character map and then did the rest of it, typing and colour coding, manually. Sadly, there's no fancy UBB code to quickly make it, you gotta do it the hard way.
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[NoahFence]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

Uh... that incident was committed locally.

Depending on where you live....

 

[NoahFence]

gatekeeper says he know people who were affected because they knew people who were shot in Norway. Sounds like gibberish, I say prove it.

And you can't deny the pictures that the press put out are laughable. They don't resemble the same bloke, yet that is what it is supposed to represent.

its as if every so often the sock drawer opens up and a bunch of these little kiddies fall out.

 

[Neveos]

As I pointed out above, witnesses have been known to say gunshosts sound like f.i.r.e.c.r.a.c.k.e.r.s.. Could this be because, oh, they do?

OK, here we go with the "actually listening to the interview" rebuttal (you're welcome that I transcribed it for you, btw), because I know how you like to do the rhetorical "ha, i made you look bad". Well, it was a ****** job, but anyway:

"We didnt really know what was going on until someone came in from the left and told us not to go out there, because there was a gunman outside"

"I spoke with another man who was in your theater who said that uh, he thought there was some kind of firecrackers or something inside the theater went off and that was the source of the smoke, is that what gels with what you observed?"

"We had plenty of people telling us that someone were throwing uh pepper bombs- I guess it's a firework- it blinds it disorients and it tastes nasty, but uh, yeah, they thought there was pepper bombs, and uh"

"it was some kind of acrid smoke that you smelled?"

"yeah, it was very thick..."

So you are saying that a person shooting continuously over 100 rounds is going to give people the impression that they "don't know what's going on" "3 distinct pops" went off, which was the source of the "lot of" "very thick smoke", caused only shrapnel injuries, had somebody's ear ringing, created a "flash and a boom", had "plenty of people" reporting "firecrackers" and caused Walton's leg to get "really hot"?

Well which one is it? The firecracker effects, also called booms, bangs, flashes, are from the gun in theater 9, (in which case you'd get 100X the report of the sound) or they are from the bullets themselves? Go ahead.

Widdle down your position for me. Are the explosion effects from the bullets or are they from the gun's muzzle? Don't squirm your way into an equivocation either. It's basically one or the other. So which is it?

 

[NoahFence]

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

Is this a "No true scotsman" fallacy, or a different one?

 

[JohnG]

No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all.

No, but some mentally ill people might try to kill a theater full of people if they are off their meds.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

OK, here we go with the "actually listening to the interview" rebuttal (you're welcome that I transcribed it for you, btw), because I know how you like to do the rhetorical "ha, i made you look bad". Well, it was a ****** job, but anyway:

"We didnt really know what was going on until someone came in from the left and told us not to go out there, because there was a gunman outside"

"I spoke with another man who was in your theater who said that uh, he thought there was some kind of firecrackers or something inside the theater went off and that was the source of the smoke, is that what gels with what you observed?"

"We had plenty of people telling us that someone were throwing uh pepper bombs- I guess it's a firework- it blinds it disorients and it tastes nasty, but uh, yeah, they thought there was pepper bombs, and uh"

"it was some kind of acrid smoke that you smelled?"

"yeah, it was very thick..."

So you are saying that a person shooting continuously over 100 rounds is going to give people the impression that they "don't know what's going on" "3 distinct pops" went off, which was the source of the "lot of" "very thick smoke", caused only shrapnel injuries, had somebody's ear ringing, created a "flash and a boom", had "plenty of people" reporting "firecrackers" and caused Walton's leg to get "really hot"?

Well which one is it? The firecracker effects, also called booms, bangs, flashes, are from the gun in theater 9, (in which case you'd get 100X the report of the sound) or they are from the bullets themselves? Go ahead.

Widdle down your position for me. Are the explosion effects from the bullets or are they from the gun's muzzle? Don't squirm your way into an equivocation either. It's basically one or the other. So which is it?

Perhaps you weren't paying attention in class on the day they taught Paying Attention. You are making a claim for conspiracy; you have to prove it.

Proof. As promised way back when the thread began.