Proving the Aurora Theater Shooting's official story false

[aggle-rithm]

However, I am now going to minimize my participation. The thread is what it is, at this point, I leave it to others.

Good plan. Release the sock puppets!

 

[aggle-rithm]

saying "put up or shut up is a bit of an aggressive tone for someone demanding proof. The burden of proof isn't on me, i've made up my mind so the burden is on you to prove to me that it was real and there was actual real people and guns and death involved.

So very, very wrong.

Considering this was just another psy op I find it insulting to my intelligence that you would insinuate this was a disaster to any family members involved, the only disaster is that all you skeptics keep sucking up their fairy tale propaganda nonsense as if it was fact and consequently spreading misinformation.

You post something like this and then claim to have intelligence to be insulted?

Evidence, evidence, evidence.

 

[Ladewig]

To be fair, the video seems quite well-made from a technical standpoint. But spending 20 minutes telling me that my birth certificate is really a financial instrument that "they" buy and sell on the open market is not going to help me understand a shooting in a movie theater.

I have to agree with you and the other posters. It is an exceptionally well-made video from a technical standpoint. As for pacing and organization, not so much. I can follow the straight-text posts more easily.

 

[Ladewig]

And, you gave it a nice shot. There is a very predictable stretched rebuttal you can make to all this, or you can simply concede and not waste any of my time having to re-rebut you, since you could simply draw from the vast resources of a cover-up that has had a year to process and eventually "feel" correct. However, I am now going to minimize my participation. The thread is what it is, at this point, I leave it to others.

I am not trying to be snarky when I ask: what exactly did you expect the thread to be when you came here? All the way back on page 1 it was pretty clear that neither side would consider the other side reasonable and open-minded. The entire thread can be summed up as follows: some folks believe that when people witness a dangerous crime in a confusing environment, those people's initial statements should be considered infallibly and inviolately accurate and that if any evidence contradicts those statements, then that evidence is either being accidentally or willfully misinterpreted (often for the purpose of advancing a far-reaching agenda); and, some folks don't believe that.

I'd rather you not minimize your participation too much because I want to know the answer to the questions I asked in post 397. I thought they were reasonable questions.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

saying "put up or shut up is a bit of an aggressive tone for someone demanding proof. The burden of proof isn't on me, i've made up my mind so the burden is on you to prove to me that it was real and there was actual real people and guns and death involved. Considering this was just another psy op I find it insulting to my intelligence that you would insinuate this was a disaster to any family members involved, the only disaster is that all you skeptics keep sucking up their fairy tale propaganda nonsense as if it was fact and consequently spreading misinformation.

Predictably enough, you resort to holier-than-thou insults and evasion instead of actually providing proof.

If you don't want to participate, don't participate. Don't just pop in with a couple goings going "your all wrong trololol!" for then to leave again and expect us to somehow consider that a valuable contribution to the thread.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Let's not build straw men here... Let's not suffer from having an agenda. She said "they set gas bombs as they were leaving".

Are we talking about an agenda like "I'm going to prove the Aurora shooting official story wrong"? That kind of agenda?

Let's actually take the time to listen to those interviews, ok? This is more exemplary of an earlier problem you tried to bring up. He said he heard a "boom". And yes, he later described thinking it was a firecracker.

After the Oslo bombing and Utøya shooting on July 22nd, witnesses reported the bomb and gunshots sounding like all kinds of things. Somebody said the bomb sounded like thunder, others said it sounded like a truck's loading ramp slamming hard into the ground. Some people said the gunshots sounded like thunder, others said they sounded like nails being hammered into a tree. Several of the youths on the island thought someone was playing with firecrackers when they first heard shots.

As a matter of fact, I live some distance from a shooting club, and gunshots can sound completely different depending on where you are and what the conditions are like. I imagine that in a chaotic situation like a shooting at a theatre, witnesses will report all sorts of things -- and as we've already pointed out to you repeatedly while you were busy proclaiming your opinions and layman assumptions as sacred facts, eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable anyway.

So the flash is from bullet ricochet? "All 11 of us saw a "boom and a flash"". Bouncing bullets... That's one of those things, I will let you settle on, because it makes your argument look silly. Valid, but horribly weak. Breaking light bulb would have been noticed, don't you think? Kinda stretching it there... Maybe you should start doing some soul searching.

Do you have sources for these statements, or are you just proclaiming assumptions as facts again?
Oh, and "kinda stretching it" -- kinda stretching it like taking random things you perceive as inconsistencies and declaring them as evidence the shooting was... whatever you believe it was?

Well there are actually others who reported the explosives, and in fact, if you would watch the interviews, you'd see the news reporter actually say the following: "I spoke with another man who said some kind of firecrackers went off, and that was the source of the smoke" Milano replies, "We had plenty of people telling us someone was throwing pepper bombs"

As I pointed out above, witnesses have been known to say gunshosts sound like f.i.r.e.c.r.a.c.k.e.r.s.. Could this be because, oh, they do?

However, I am now going to minimize my participation. The thread is what it is, at this point, I leave it to others.

Bye-bye. You're welcome back here any time you feel like actually backing up your statements as promised in the thread title.

 

[triforcharity]

You might, at some point notice that I tend to focus on what's not there instead of what is. This is how crimes are solved, when obstructions or distractions prevent seeing enough evidence to form a conclusion.

This is stupendously funny! You do realize that people who investigate crimes, look at the available evidence, and sometimes spend DAYS gathering it, right? BTW, thanks for the stundie!!

 

[Scott Sommers]

To be fair, the video seems quite well-made from a technical standpoint. But spending 20 minutes telling me that my birth certificate is really a financial instrument that "they" buy and sell on the open market is not going to help me understand a shooting in a movie theater.

You also see this with a lot of We Are Change videos. Apparently some number of them work as software writers. A JREF member pointed out to me that in the USA there has been an initiative to retrain and employ low-level workers in the computer industry. But in terms of literacy skills, like reading and basic sentence-level fluency, they don't always have 100%.

 

[OneTime]

There are too many discrepancies to ignore. And it follows similar lines and patterns that are frequent in other obvious psy ops. There is no motive for a human being to go and wield bullets at random people like that, the story doesn't make sense.

(picture taken from cluesforum)

 

[beachnut]

There are too many discrepancies to ignore. And it follows similar lines and patterns that are frequent in other obvious psy ops. There is no motive for a human being to go and wield bullets at random people like that, the story doesn't make sense.

http://i44.tinypic.com/33epp3b.jpg

(picture taken from cluesforum)

Ask McVeigh. Oops, too late. How is the poe business lately.

 

[BStrong]

There are too many discrepancies to ignore. And it follows similar lines and patterns that are frequent in other obvious psy ops. There is no motive for a human being to go and wield bullets at random people like that, the story doesn't make sense.

[qimg]http://i44.tinypic.com/33epp3b.jpg[/qimg]

(picture taken from cluesforum)

You could quite correctly state that there may be no motive for you to commit such an act, but you do not speak for the whole of the human race.

Locally we've had incidents of individuals doing almost exactly the same thing, just in a different venues.

101 California shooting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101_California_Street_shooting

Oikos University shootings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos_University_shooting

I was involved as an outside evaluator of the SFPD response in the 101 California incident for application of their SOP for our agency's SWAT unit. I examined officer's written reports and interviewed several officers for their personal recollections related to the effectiveness of their prior training on their individual performance in this incident.

There are individuals on the loose that absolutely will commit these types of acts. That you don't believe it is immaterial to reality.

 

[OneTime]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

There are too many discrepancies to ignore.

There are always "disrepancies" in large-scale tragedies. Heck, there are weird coincidences and things that "don't add up" even in "minor" events such as car crashes and bank robberies.

Don't expect everything that goes down in this world to be calm and orderly.

And it follows similar lines and patterns that are frequent in other obvious psy ops shooting tragedies.

Imagine that, a killing spree that's like a killing sprees. Next you'll tell me you've heard about a car crash that reminds you of other car crashes, or read a college papers with the same style as other college papers, or seen a shampoo commercials that had a similar line and pattern as other shampoo commercials.

There is no motive for a human being to go and wield bullets at random people like that, the story doesn't make sense.

Of course. Makes far more sense that "they" not only decide to make up, but also actually pull off a staged catastrophe of this magnitude with no one blowing the whistle -- not a single one of the local residents, theater employees, first responders, hospital staff, priests, psychiatrists, school staff, hospital staff, hospital patients, journalists, editors, "crisis actors", theatre employees or the masterminds behind the plot.

Suppose the whole town must be in on it, eh?

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(picture taken from cluesforum)

Please explain. You have posted a still shot from YouTube with a caption. What's your point?

 

[332nd]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

Do you think mass murders are a recent phenomenon?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

I suppose my friends and family who lost loved ones on July 22nd, including my classmate who had to drop out from her studies in part because she couldn't cope with losing 10 friends on Utøya, are all just paid actors for the NWO.

Tell me, "OneTime", where do you draw the line? If I was to draw you a scale of evils in the world, from truly innocent things to the world's worst disasters, do you have a point at which you say, "there. That's where I draw the line. Nothing more horrible than this can happen in reality"?

Is bullying real? Physical abuse? Rape? Single incidents of murder? Massacres? Genocides? Warfare? Did the Tiananmen Square massacre of the students in China happen? The Dresden firebombing? Did all of World War II? The Colonial era and its global slave trade? The Holocaust?

What about accidents and natural disasters? Do children really get kicked to death by horses? Do cars crash? Do houses burn down? Do cities get hit by earthquakes? Was the Black Death just made up, or the 2005 tsunami, or the volcanic eruption that buried Pompeii? What about things like the flooding of New Orleans, did they just bring in bulldozers and flood the city, and then just bribe or blackmail the entire population and their loved ones, the tourists, the media, the first responders and the reporters from all over the world? Were the 2000 refugees arriving at my Houston high school all crisis actors?

Where do you draw the line, OneTime? What tragedies in this world are too horrible to happen?

 

[BStrong]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

Again, argument from incredulity is not proof.

I just posted this link in another thread here, but interestingly it is applicable to this discussion as well:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Santa-Clara-Gun-Club-Shooter-Wanted-to-Kill-Self-2920923.php

What the bad actor in the above linked example planned to do was go to a local indoor firing range that rented firearms, rent a 9mm Colt AR15 rifle, use it to kill every individual at the range, take as many spare magazines and ammo as he could carry, and then go to a local nightclub that hadn't hired him to be a bouncer and kill as many people there as he could before committing suicide.

He had a hand written manifesto in his vehicle that was discovered by LE when they searched the vehicle - the plan was derailed by a range employee who shot and wounded the BA when the shooter was getting ready to execute the range employees.

I know it's an AR in 9mm instead of 5.56, and it was a nightclub, not a movie theater, but it's real.

 

[Travis]

There are too many discrepancies to ignore. And it follows similar lines and patterns that are frequent in other obvious psy ops. There is no motive for a human being to go and wield bullets at random people like that, the story doesn't make sense.

http://i44.tinypic.com/33epp3b.jpg

(picture taken from cluesforum)

That picture is supposed to prove what? That cluesforum still has no idea what reality is like?

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

And your evidence for this is????

I mean you really have nothing but a naive sense of idealism. People do random crazy things. When I was a kid a man in my neighborhood went up on his roof and started spraying the town with bullets. Why did he do it? "Demons" he said after his capture.

 

[OneTime]

gatekeeper says he know people who were affected because they knew people who were shot in Norway. Sounds like gibberish, I say prove it.

And you can't deny the pictures that the press put out are laughable. They don't resemble the same bloke, yet that is what it is supposed to represent.

 

[LSSBB]

I'm not doubting for a second that acts of violence with weapons used are committed locally, but we are talking about a completely different kettle of fish here. No matter how much acid or shrooms or whatever pharma drugs they hand out to kids these days, is consumed, a person is not gonna go into a cinema of random people and try to kill them all. This just does not happen in reality. Only in the horror fantasy world that the media portrays does this occur.

Your inability to understand why something happened is not proof that it did not happen. It just as well could be proof that you do not have enough facts or understanding.

 

[Neveos]

OneTime is likely a smear campaign disinformant troll. Ignore it.