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[Cassidy]

I was packing a case, sorting the cat minder, and I had no time to come online to search posts or reply to any. I called to update you on this newest find, thinking maybe we could think up a protocol on them lines of calibrating.

I will write out the whole of the conversation I had with your daughter, who was trying to be more than helpful.

Phonecall: Hello can I speak with Mr Alderbank please?.
Sorry no one lives here with that name, but it's the name of our - - - - -.

Ok sorry I may have the wrong number
Who are you looking for?

Mr - - - - -Alderbank
Well there's a Mr - - - -/- - - - - - here.

(I did not recognise the name your daughter referred you by)

Is it about work?
Yes, but is ok, I will contact him when I return

Do you want his mobile number?
No thank you, I will contact him after the weekend

Are you sure?
Yes but thank you anyway, bye
Ok bye.
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That was it, a simple call, to which I was excited to make.

I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear any words on the records, his nephew heard some from 6 foot away. The meet was an hour, with 30 minutes of talking, making hot drinks.

As I now know how to calibrate machines, I will test it one final time with a new laptop, and then I will claim the original claim that the spirits wished me to claim in the first place. (bit silly to claim anything untested, but its tested now)

 

[Alderbank]

(Alderbank) I hear you wrote a post out regarding a call I made? I have no idea why you would think anything I said was offensive. I asked for Mr Alderbank, and was told no Alderbank lived here. I said sorry I must have the wrong number. She offered me a mobile number an I refused to take it. I said I will contact him when I get back home. Alderbank, it is not in my nature to offend anyone anywhere. Please ask your daughter if I ws at all offensive, as it was a normal phone call. I wanted to share the news with you, of calibrating Mr Roberts laptop via the web. However, if you wish to inform the police for that phonecall, please do so, I said nothing wrong at all. Your daughter cannot be upset, I said nothing other than "no it's ok, I will get back to him"

Yes, I did make an angry post which I regret. My daughter rang me while I was at work to say she had been frightened by a call from a stranger. She has not told me everything you said but what she has now told me broadly agrees with what you say above, in that you asked for me by my screen name, which she doesn't know, she said you demanded to speak to me and refused my mobile numbers, etc. All that I was aware of when I posted was that you had frightened her. All parents worry about unwanted calls to their children from strangers. If you had been anxious to contact me urgently I hope you understand that you could well have sounded more menacing than you intended.


You did not post anything on the Forum about your Mr Roberts, which would have been the proper way to communicate any relevant news, or even PM me. If you had wanted to communicate outside the forum you should have asked me for a mobile (cell) number since this forum is nothing to do with my family. I'm sorry you scared my child and I'm sorry I reacted angrily to that. I hope we can move on from there to the more useful and valuable postings on this thread.

 

[Cassidy]

Alderbank, I have a polite sounding voice. I did not frighten anybody, my voice is not loud enough to do this. Why would I demand to speak with you and then refuse your mobile number? it just makes no sense. However, I m not here for the intimidations or the accusations. I was polite enough to accept two strange men into my home, the second man I had no idea about. Perhaps you should have passed this with me first, but I did not mind that you not do so.

 

[zooterkin]

So you assumed Alderbank was his real name? Would you expect someone to ring you and ask for Ms Flaccon?

I hope it's not taken the wrong way if I suggest Alderbank might have a chat with his daughter about what information she should give out over the phone. I was taught you should not volunteer your name to someone you don't know (especially if they're asking for someone else), and certainly not offer to give out any other phone numbers.

 

[Biscuit]

Enough of the drama. The phone call issues seems settle as far as anyone other than flaccon and alder bank are concerned and if they want to discuss it further they should PM each other. Sounds like a big case of misunderstanding. They have both apologized.

Flaccon are you ready to actually state a claim, agree to a protocol, and test it?

ETA just be honest. If you aren't willing to do the above then no one here is going to care about your recordings, the spirits will never get their message out, and you will spend the rest of your days listening for voices on the wrong end of a speaker.

 

[Alderbank]

I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear any words on the records, his nephew heard some from 6 foot away. The meet was an hour, with 30 minutes of talking, making hot drinks.

As I now know how to calibrate machines, I will test it one final time with a new laptop, and then I will claim the original claim that the spirits wished me to claim in the first place. (bit silly to claim anything untested, but its tested now)

The reason Craig said he might have heard words was trying to be helpful and pareidolia. He said he could make out rhythmic patterns occasionally and he was trying to fit vowels and consonants to make real words. I heard no words because that is exactly what I was listening for - words.

Please read the lots of useful stuff which other posters have written while you were away. No-one thinks that buying a new laptop is a good idea.

We are all interested in what you mean by calibrating machines. I have calibrated plenty of scientific equipment during my career but I suspect that your use of the word is different from mine. Does Mr Roberts help you to calibrate them? It is quite easy to join this forum. If Mr Roberts would like to sign up and contribute to this thread we might make good progress.

I think you and I were able to demonstrate that it is possible to copy your recordings faithfully and enable readers of this thread to hear them as you do. Please take time to read what they think and their views about playing them back. There is some wise advice about playing recordings at full volume with the speaker directly against your ear.

 

[Pixel42]

This weekend I concentrated on how to calibrate a second laptop.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Mr Roberts emailed me through two silent recordings. I played the recording via my laptop. As I played this recording in Chester, it altered Mr Roberts recording in Nottingham (one single voice) I drove to Nottingham yesterday. Mr Roberts and I did several tests. Now whenever Mr Roberts records, he has just the one voice.

Are you saying this Mr Roberts, whoever he is, also thinks he can hear voices in recordings like the ones you played to Alderbank and his nephew? You do realise that this proves nothing whatsoever?

I doubt I can deal with this site much more, but I do thank those who have genuine concern for my well-being, and for those who bit their lip, and thanks to those who shared their own experience. I am back to my GP this week with this update, and will continue to test.

Are you ever going to do the kind of test which you now know is the only kind that produces meaningful results?

 

[Biscuit]

So you assumed Alderbank was his real name? Would you expect someone to ring you and ask for Ms Flaccon?

As that is her spirit name I would expect that call to come via Skype and be answered via the through put on a Bose speaker.

 

[Alderbank]

I hope it's not taken the wrong way if I suggest Alderbank might have a chat with his daughter about what information she should give out over the phone. I was taught you should not volunteer your name to someone you don't know (especially if they're asking for someone else), and certainly not offer to give out any other phone numbers.

Already done, zooterkin! We have discussed just offering to call back, and also that it is OK to simply hang up if the call makes you unhappy

 

[Cassidy]

The reason Craig said he might have heard words was trying to be helpful and pareidolia. He said he could make out rhythmic patterns occasionally and he was trying to fit vowels and consonants to make real words. I heard no words because that is exactly what I was listening for - words.

Please read the lots of useful stuff which other posters have written while you were away. No-one thinks that buying a new laptop is a good idea.

We are all interested in what you mean by calibrating machines. I have calibrated plenty of scientific equipment during my career but I suspect that your use of the word is different from mine. Does Mr Roberts help you to calibrate them? It is quite easy to join this forum. If Mr Roberts would like to sign up and contribute to this thread we might make good progress.

I think you and I were able to demonstrate that it is possible to copy your recordings faithfully and enable readers of this thread to hear them as you do. Please take time to read what they think and their views about playing them back. There is some wise advice about playing recordings at full volume with the speaker directly against your ear.

Mr Roberts recordings on his laptop, heard via my speakers were silent in February. (Please note - Total silence) Since this weekend, those recording are full of words from one spirit-voice. We tested new silent recordings on his laptop, and he now has non-silent recordings. This may not look like a breakthrough to anyone, but I'm over the moon with it. Speakers on max volume only let out a smooth quite hiss, nothing more. (Please note - nothing more than a quiet hiss)

As for you not? hearing anything on those few recordings I played you, I'm afraid you are the only one out of 10 so far who has heard nothing. Being that one is a GP and the other a Priest, I shall continue to test further. Thank u for your time.

 

[Donn]

As for you not? hearing anything on those few recordings I played you, I'm afraid you are the only one out of 10 so far who has heard nothing

I'll join Alderbank in saying I heard no voices in any of the recordings thus uploaded.

 

[Pixel42]

It's not that Alderbank and his nephew heard nothing, flaccon, it's that they didn't hear anything they didn't expect to hear - i.e. sounds which could be interpreted as words. Any sounds can be interpreted as words. That's what pareidolia is. The fact that a GP and a priest also interpreted the sounds they heard as words is no more surprising than the fact that you did, as they're also subject to pareidolia. Until you eliminate pareidolia as the explanation of what you think you're hearing you have got nothing, and you are still not showing the slightest desire, let alone intention, of doing that.

I suggest you ask your GP and/or priest to look up pareidolia, and let them decide if that's an adequate explanation of what they think they're hearing.

 

[Alderbank]

Mr Roberts recordings on his laptop, heard via my speakers were silent in February. (Please note - Total silence) Since this weekend, those recording are full of words from one spirit-voice. We tested new silent recordings on his laptop, and he now has non-silent recordings. This may not look like a breakthrough to anyone, but I'm over the moon with .

As for you not? hearing anything on those few recordings I played you, I'm afraid you are the only one out of 10 so far who has heard nothing. Being that one is a GP and the other a Priest, I shall continue to test further. Thank u for your time.

I didn't say I heard nothing. I didn't hear words.

There are many more than 10 now who have heard your recordings, thanks to the copies you made for me. Several have given feedback for you. So far the only people to hear words are your 8 family and friends. Others who have responded and can speak for themselves all say more or less the same thing - they hear the squeaks and whistles just as I did from your laptop in your home but they do not hear any words.

Is it possible to share a recording on which Mr Roberts hears voices? As Pixel says that won't prove anything but I am interested to hear whether I hear what Mr Roberts can.

You said last week that you would now be willing to try some tests including tests with cards. Simple but well planned tests will give us an emormous amount of information and show us how to move forward. I think you should work together with us on the Forum to jointly develop some tests and then try them out. Some can just be done by you. If an extra person is needed for any, I would like to volunteer again. I still have that unopened pack of cards in my pocket!

 

[John Jones]

I wonder what "calibrating a laptop" involves? Sounds like ensuring what you then seek.

For that matter, what could the following possibly mean:

As I played this recording in Chester, it altered Mr Roberts recording in Nottingham (one single voice) I drove to Nottingham yesterday. Mr Roberts and I did several tests. Now whenever Mr Roberts records, he has just the one voice.

 

[Donn]

For that matter, what could the following possibly mean:

It doth boggle the mind.

 

[Biscuit]

Mr Roberts recordings on his laptop, heard via my speakers were silent in February. (Please note - Total silence) Since this weekend, those recording are full of words from one spirit-voice. We tested new silent recordings on his laptop, and he now has non-silent recordings. This may not look like a breakthrough to anyone, but I'm over the moon with it. Speakers on max volume only let out a smooth quite hiss, nothing more. (Please note - nothing more than a quiet hiss)

As for you not? hearing anything on those few recordings I played you, I'm afraid you are the only one out of 10 so far who has heard nothing. Being that one is a GP and the other a Priest, I shall continue to test further. Thank u for your time.

I have heard no voices.

What have you done to eliminate pareidolia?

 

[trustbutverify]

Looks like flaccon's free way with apostophes is catching

Could be. And misspellings too.

I have to disagree with Sherry, I see no reason to think flaccon set anything up. She's just seeing and hearing patterns where none exist.

I don't know what Sherry actually meant by "set-up". But it doesn't sound good, and I assume she knows her sister better than I do.

 

[asydhouse]

How do you know this Mr Roberts, flacon? How do you know he isn't messing with you, and introducing voices mechanically into what he plays to you?

And if your GP is playing along with you and humouring you by agreeing he hears clear messages from spirits, then he is not doing his job.... or you are playing him different recordings from the ones you have shared here. (And even then, if he is humouring you and saying he believes they are spirits, without any other discussion as to alternative interpretations, then I'm shocked that such a man is in a position of such responsibility as a GP.)

I don't trust any of it. Unless you do the real tests suggested on this thread involving double-blind arrangements and information that you do not know already, you will never get anywhere for real. It will always be confirmation bias and reinforcing of your preconceived ideas. Not testing at all. In other words, just not real.

And if that playing around is all you want to do, then I have no further interest, I'm afraid. I won't be playing along.

But do announce here in this thread (when you are ready... but soon, I hope) the great message you think they want to give the world. I'd be curious to see just what an anticlimax that's going to turn out to be (judging by the let down everything so far has been!)

My advice is never to bring any amount of money into your dealings with this Mr Roberts, or anyone else.

 

[Mojo]

I was packing a case, sorting the cat minder, and I had no time to come online to search posts or reply to any. I called to update you on this newest find, thinking maybe we could think up a protocol on them lines of calibrating.

I will write out the whole of the conversation I had with your daughter, who was trying to be more than helpful.

Phonecall: Hello can I speak with Mr Alderbank please?.
Sorry no one lives here with that name, but it's the name of our - - - - -.

Ok sorry I may have the wrong number
Who are you looking for?

Mr - - - - -Alderbank
Well there's a Mr - - - -/- - - - - - here.

(I did not recognise the name your daughter referred you by)

Is it about work?
Yes, but is ok, I will contact him when I return

Do you want his mobile number?
No thank you, I will contact him after the weekend

Are you sure?
Yes but thank you anyway, bye
Ok bye.
======================

That was it, a simple call, to which I was excited to make.

Perhaps the spirits interfered with the cables in such a way that your phone call appeared offensive.

 

[Donn]

Perhaps the spirits interfered with the cables in such a way that your phone call appeared offensive.

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