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[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Man that's a cool idea! Do it Squeegee! Minimalist Techno...

I definitely will. I make glitch art and I wanted to make glitch music, but I've found no way to do it that either sounds good or that I don't consider cheating (plug-ins which simulate glitches). This, however, seems like a good way to make genuine glitch music. It'll take time, though, and I won't really have a chance to play until next week at the earliest.

 

[Alderbank]

I definitely will. I make glitch art and I wanted to make glitch music, but I've found no way to do it that either sounds good or that I don't consider cheating (plug-ins which simulate glitches). This, however, seems like a good way to make genuine glitch music. It'll take time, though, and I won't really have a chance to play until next week at the earliest.

Password sent, Squeegee

 

[Donn]

Thinking it an interesting challenge I tried it and yes, you can .. and you've got audio artefacts generated from silence.

Good moves. Thanks.

They don't sound the same as flaccon's files, as hers have outside noises recorded on them, too, but the artefacts are clearly recognisable.

That's what I was hoping for. I'd like some way to show her what compression sounds like and why it holds no meaning.

.. Seems like a fun project - creating music from absolute silence.

I think Simon and Garf. got there first Okay, okay...

PS. For sparking the idea I'd settle for a freebie mp3 one day! 8)

 

[Donn]

Yes, I tried it too before I typed it. It's always best to do things that way.

I know, right?

Thanks for the image. I'm not sure if the compression is really visible enough. Perhaps a smaller 64x64 image which is zoomed-in - like pixel-art in retro gaming, you know? Large sprites.

(Just thinking aloud. I wanted to give flaccon a good, punchy visual where she can see how the lines of mundane things warp and goo under compression.)

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't like to call it a frequency, I call it entanglement, but I refer to it as a frequency because posters mention frequency. I understand the word frequent.

Frequency has a specific meaning. The human ear responds to roughly 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz.

Or, in case that still doesn't mean much to you, sound is little ripples in air pressure and very smooth regular ripples sound like pure musical notes. The "frequency" of a note means how frequently the air pressure is rippling up and down.

The highest frequency anyone can hear ripples about 20,000 times per second and the lowest about 20 times per second. A piano with a 10 octave keyboard (instead of the usual 7 octaves or so) could play the full range of our hearing.

 

[Quinn]

These darker (greenish) pixels are[...]

...the Fallen of Heaven!!!1!111! The demons are back!!!

Explanation for the non-old-timers: Back in the day we had a poster named icantakepicturesofdemons, who believed that visual compression artifacts in his webcam images were actually demons (or "the fallen of Heaven," as he would often describe them). It was the most textbook case of pareidolia I have ever personally witnessed. He posted many pictures where he pointed out their little demon facial features. Why did he believe this? We don't know. What we do know is that his belief was utterly impervious to any contrary evidence. No amount of explanation of how compression works and how artifacts are introduced, no matter how thorough and patient, could break through.

So far this thread seems to be virtually perfectly analogous to that one, except in the audio realm rather than visual.

 

[wardenclyffe]

...the Fallen of Heaven!!!1!111! The demons are back!!!

Explanation for the non-old-timers: Back in the day we had a poster named icantakepicturesofdemons, who believed that visual compression artifacts in his webcam images were actually demons (or "the fallen of Heaven," as he would often describe them). It was the most textbook case of pareidolia I have ever personally witnessed. He posted many pictures where he pointed out their little demon facial features. Why did he believe this? We don't know. What we do know is that his belief was utterly impervious to any contrary evidence. No amount of explanation of how compression works and how artifacts are introduced, no matter how thorough and patient, could break through.

So far this thread seems to be perfectly analogous to that one, except in the audio realm rather than visual.

Quinn,

That thread was before my time. Can you find it and link to it? I can't (granted I only tried a couple of times). Perhaps it would be another parallel case. If enough mirrors are held up for flaccon, it might help.

Ward

 

[Alderbank]

I think Simon and Garf. got there first Okay, okay...

Well spotted, Donn. Even more apt for this thread than his Sound of Silence is Paul Simon's Spirit Voices

 

[Stray Cat]

Well spotted, Donn. Even more apt for this thread than his Sound of Silence is Paul Simon's Spirit Voices

Or even Bridge Over Troubled Waters.

 

[jond]

...the Fallen of Heaven!!!1!111! The demons are back!!!

Explanation for the non-old-timers: Back in the day we had a poster named icantakepicturesofdemons, who believed that visual compression artifacts in his webcam images were actually demons (or "the fallen of Heaven," as he would often describe them). It was the most textbook case of pareidolia I have ever personally witnessed. He posted many pictures where he pointed out their little demon facial features. Why did he believe this? We don't know. What we do know is that his belief was utterly impervious to any contrary evidence. No amount of explanation of how compression works and how artifacts are introduced, no matter how thorough and patient, could break through.

So far this thread seems to be virtually perfectly analogous to that one, except in the audio realm rather than visual.

Don't forget the fairies in the foliage!

 

[Donn]

Jpg compression delusion is also strong in that face on Mars guy... Can't recall his name. Anyway, he sees entire cities in there.


Hmmmm. Perhaps flaccon may drop her blood faces for artefact faces instead. I hope not.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Or even Bridge Over Troubled Waters.

If you check Paul Simon's discography to include more obscure titles it starts to look positively eerie;

"True or False"
"It Means a Lot to Them"
"I Don't Believe Them"
"Noise"
"The Sound of Silence"
"Still Crazy After All These Years"
"Proof"
"Father and Daughter"
"The Afterlife"
"Questions for the Angels"
"I Don't Believe"
"Quiet"
"Spirit Voices"


An impressionable person might imagine they see a message in that lot.

 

[laca]

...the Fallen of Heaven!!!1!111! The demons are back!!!

Explanation for the non-old-timers: Back in the day we had a poster named icantakepicturesofdemons, who believed that visual compression artifacts in his webcam images were actually demons (or "the fallen of Heaven," as he would often describe them). It was the most textbook case of pareidolia I have ever personally witnessed. He posted many pictures where he pointed out their little demon facial features. Why did he believe this? We don't know. What we do know is that his belief was utterly impervious to any contrary evidence. No amount of explanation of how compression works and how artifacts are introduced, no matter how thorough and patient, could break through.

So far this thread seems to be virtually perfectly analogous to that one, except in the audio realm rather than visual.

The main problem here seems to be that flaccon is not looking at it from the right perspective. She's trying to get some message across from spirits who she asserts exist rather than first establishing their existence and then worry about the message. The chances of her realizing that there are no spirits are therefore next to zero.

 

[trustbutverify]

The main problem here seems to be that flaccon is not looking at it from the right perspective. She's trying to get some message across from spirits who she asserts exist rather than first establishing their existence and then worry about the message. The chances of her realizing that there are no spirits are therefore next to zero.

Thanks for summing up the situation so accurately.

I think it's extremely difficult for someone so heavily and personally invested in a set of beliefs to be swayed by evidence to the contrary, no matter how strongly rooted and logically valid that evidence may be.

 

[Garrette]

@wardenclyffe: The old poster Quinn was referring too was, iirc, " icanseedemons " as opposed to " icanseepicturesofdemons ". I am on my cell phone else I would do the search for you and link it.

 

[Apology]

Flaccon, I wonder if recording is a necessary step at all. Perhaps you can hear the voices if you go to a free online white noise generator. Here's a site that offers free white noise:

white noise player

Go to that site, click on the button marked "Radio", adjust the volume to your comfort level (mine's set at around 50% volume), and listen for the spirit voices the way you usually do. It wouldn't surprise me if you start to hear voices in the white noise.

 

[Cassidy]

It doesn't sound stupid, it seems quite distressing. Unfortunately as things stood, it did look dishonest.

Thank you for understanding that your previous claims could be harmful to others, and for removing them from your website.


I am curious what you consider "documented", by which I mean what methods of documentation you have used. Depositions by independent objective observers? (Not family members!). Something caught on film (clearly and unambiguously)?

Simply recalling past events and then writing down your account, even if more than one person was present and agrees with the account (and even if straight after events), is mere anecdotal reportage, and not useful documentation. I've tried to explain how it's possible to sincerely believe you have experienced something, but it can be an illusion, even if you would swear blind it was real and solid. People can share hallucinations. The more invested in the experience you are, the more you can create the experience, and collude unconsciously in generating the experience in each others' minds. People are highly suggestible!

On the other hand, people are extremely bad at observing what's happening in front of them. Have you ever seen that video where there are some dancers, and a couple of minutes into the video a man dressed in a gorilla suit walks out among them, wanders about for a few seconds, and then walks away again? Incredible as it seems, I did not see the man in the suit until it was replayed and the man pointed out with some onscreen pointer or something (I can't remember). Most people fail to see the gorilla!

Or the demonstration in a class where an armed man suddenly runs into the classroom and mugs the teacher, and then runs out of the room? Afterwards the teacher asks the members of the class, who had really believed it was real, what did the mugger look like, and they all report different and contradictory details? Eye witness testimony is a miserable failure.

You are clearly totally wed to your conviction that some things have happened in the past that are incontrovertible realities. That conviction is a boulder in your path. Until you are willing to admit that your mind is so powerful that it can fool you, and find the motivation or desire to accept the reality that science has described, that there is no such thing as a "spirit world" or any supernatural phenomena, you will not get past the theatre of your own creation.

Ultimately it really comes down to you deciding what you really want: peaceful and healthful life, or psychodrama?

I hope you find peace... and life.

Thank you. (documented, Bishop, Priest, GP, Police, Hospital.)

 

[Cassidy]

I managed to ask a friend to send me 2 silent recordings. Playback revealed one voice. The Priests name is heard on one, and a sentence on the other. I sent him the files back to see if they had altered, he won't find out until he purchases speakers tomorrow.

 

[Cassidy]

Flaccon, I wonder if recording is a necessary step at all. Perhaps you can hear the voices if you go to a free online white noise generator. Here's a site that offers free white noise:

white noise player

Go to that site, click on the button marked "Radio", adjust the volume to your comfort level (mine's set at around 50% volume), and listen for the spirit voices the way you usually do. It wouldn't surprise me if you start to hear voices in the white noise.

I went to sites to compare white noise sounds. Thank u, I will try it again just to see if I do hear anything at all.

ETA, tried every noise thank u.

 

[Biscuit]

I managed to ask a friend to send me 2 silent recordings. Playback revealed one voice. The Priests name is heard on one, and a sentence on the other. I sent him the files back to see if they had altered, he won't find out until he purchases speakers tomorrow.

What are you hoping to establish by doing this? What's the point of this procedure?