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[Cassidy]

What are you hoping to establish by doing this? What's the point of this procedure?

To see if it will alter his pre-recorded file.

 

[Biscuit]

To see if it will alter his pre-recorded file.

What is "it?"

The process of saving, compressing, and transferring a WMV file?

Then what? Spirits?

 

[Cassidy]

flaccon - thank you for removing those particular sections from your website. It brings hope.

It's all closed off thank u. I don't actually need the trouble it could have caused, I just needed authority to investigate what's going on here, and if that was via court action, I would have at least got the required result. I apologise to those that I cause upset to. There is nothing I wouldn't do to put a smile on someone's face. If I do have to go it alone, I will still get to the bottom of it.

(Ward) Witnesses are reading. I asked them not to involve themselves. It's difficult. One friend can't get on (the one I tested with today) Another friend is on now, dblue54. I don't wish them to involve themselves.

 

[Cassidy]

What is "it?"

The process of saving, compressing, and transferring a WMV file?

Then what? Spirits?

No idea. I assume that if they can alter pre-recordings of mine, they may be able to alter pre-recordings of others. Just a thought.

 

[wardenclyffe]

It's all closed off thank u. I don't actually need the trouble it could have caused, I just needed authority to investigate what's going on here, and if that was via court action, I would have at least got the required result. I apologise to those that I cause upset to. There is nothing I wouldn't do to put a smile on someone's face. If I do have to go it alone, I will still get to the bottom of it.

(Ward) Witnesses are reading. I asked them not to involve themselves. It's difficult. One friend can't get on (the one I tested with today) Another friend is on now, dblue54. I don't wish them to involve themselves.

I understand if someone can't get on, but I don't know why you wouldn't want your supporters here helping you explain what's going on. There are obviously some things that the skeptics here do not understand based on your explanations. I think your friends/family/witnesses might see where we are misunderstanding you and they could jump in and explain.

I know you asked them not to involve themselves, but why? It can only help.

Ward

 

[jsfisher]

None of your friends, family, witnesses reliably hear what you hear on the recordings, do they flaccon?

 

[trustbutverify]

I believe that spirits may be communicating with us through cloud formations. As a test of my claim, I'd like to see how many people can independently see a face in this picture. If enough viewers can confirm it, there will be too many folks involved to attribute the phenomena to mere pareidolia.

 

[Orphia Nay]

After a house move, it became fascinating for 6 years. No one was targeted.(it was a different type of haunting) I would liken the noises to taking a TV up in to the attic and tossing it into the air. The landing TV would produce a loud thud with a sharp crack, or creak. Eliminate the thud sound. If I tossed several TV's from one end to the other, that would be the exact sound, eliminating the thuds.

During these 6 years, we underwent terrible physical problems, and unexplained altered mental states. I did not think at all, that our personal problems, were a direct involvement from the loud spirit. I got the physical attacks, my partner got the mental attacks (twice) and my eldest daughter had her senses interfered with, ie; Sounds greatly amplified, unexplained brightness, and loss of seeing with 3D (ths also happened twice) It was only when a spiritual "protection" came, a loud and disturbing battle took place (Loud ethereal noises) That night, the cracking and creaking were replaced by a more gentle "pottering" sound. It was this "protection, that took me through a series of weird visions, to have me see the answers to our personal and unexplainable suffering.

Routined home life. We were close, we worked together. It was the best time of my life.

Those six years sound awful. Either you're stretching the truth again, or you are a very troubled person.

What was the most outstanding event from those six years that proved the spirits were real?

 

[Cassidy]

I understand if someone can't get on, but I don't know why you wouldn't want your supporters here helping you explain what's going on. There are obviously some things that the skeptics here do not understand based on your explanations. I think your friends/family/witnesses might see where we are misunderstanding you and they could jump in and explain.

I know you asked them not to involve themselves, but why? It can only help.

Ward

It's been a shock for friends of mine, and I feel embarrassed enough. I have faith something good will come from this. My friends are supporting me.

Regarding your previous post of "my confidence in them may be stronger than their confidence in me" I thought about that for a while. I can only hope they have confidence in me. I believe they would have advised me not to continue had this been just imagination.

 

[AdMan]

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i believe that spirits may be communicating with us through cloud formations. As a test of my claim, i'd like to see how many people can independently see a face in this picture. If enough viewers can confirm it, there will be too many folks involved to attribute the phenomena to mere pareidolia.

:-o

:-(

 

[Orphia Nay]

I have uploaded the files to https://www.box.com/alderbank

I've downloaded and listened to the files.

I don't hear any words in any of them.

Most of them have squeaky noises, and a few have sounds like your ears hear when underwater.

This was most evident in 'Wimbledon', which also had the only noise I could name - at the beginning it sounds like a tap running.

Again, I did not hear any words in any of them, and definitely no sentences.

 

[wardenclyffe]

It's been a shock for friends of mine, and I feel embarrassed enough. I have faith something good will come from this. My friends are supporting me.

Regarding your previous post of "my confidence in them may be stronger than their confidence in me" I thought about that for a while. I can only hope they have confidence in me. I believe they would have advised me not to continue had this been just imagination.

I don't understand why you would be embarrassed nor why your friends would be shocked. They have heard these voices and they support you, right? I think people here have been challenging to you, but by and large, they've been nice (not everyone, but it is the internet after all). I think your friends would receive similar treatment---challenging, but mostly nice.

I'll confess that my comment about their confidence in you was meant to be a challenge. It is within the realm of possibility that your friends don't want to tell you that they can't hear what you can. One possibility is that they value your friendship so much that they are afraid they might jeopardize it if they don't play along with this. I don't know you, but there are probably many things that are likable about you and you are probably an excellent friend. If I were your friend, I'd gladly overlook this one quirk about you and play along just to not cause any upset. I would not want to upset a friend who just had an odd, seemingly harmless quirk.

That's only one scenario. There are many others including that they can hear exactly what you hear, but they are not here defending you because you, for reasons that I cannot understand, asked them not to.

Ward

 

[AdMan]

Witnesses are reading. I asked them not to involve themselves. It's difficult. One friend can't get on (the one I tested with today) Another friend is on now, dblue54. I don't wish them to involve themselves.

I second the question: why is that?

 

[wardenclyffe]

@wardenclyffe: The old poster Quinn was referring too was, iirc, " icanseedemons " as opposed to " icanseepicturesofdemons ". I am on my cell phone else I would do the search for you and link it.

I still can't find it, so if you can when you get to a real computer, please let us know.

Ward

 

[Cassidy]

Those six years sound awful. Either you're stretching the truth again, or you are a very troubled person.

What was the most outstanding event from those six years that proved the spirits were real?

They way it began. Me and Kate were watching TV (Nov 93') Vic was due home at 7.30pm. At 6pm the front door opened and closed behind itself. We saw a shadow through the (frosted glass panel) living room door. Assuming it was Vic, he stamped off the wet leaves on the mat and walked straight up the stairs opposite. I asked Kate to go up stairs and ask if Vic wanted a hot or cold drink. I went into the kitchen and Kate went up stairs. She called to him and got no reply. I asked her to go ALL the way up and ask, and she came down a bit scared. No one there. I called from the bottom of the stairs, and then went up, thinking maybe he's had bad news or something. Bedroom door was open, light was on. There was no one there, I checked everywhere. I came down stairs, checked the mat, it wasn't wet. Kate was now terrified, I asked her to continue as normal. She washed the dishes, and I sat between the open front door, the stairs, and the kitchen. Vic arrived home at 7.30pm.

I explained to Vic what had happened. He went up stairs and searched thoroughly. He didn't believe us, and we wern't to mention it. I asked Kate to mention it to no one, and we put the incident behind us. We had mischief happen for 9 weeks. We put certain unexplainable accidents down to just that. We carried on as usual.

9 weeks later, Kate me and Vic are settling down for TV, and someone came running down the stairs and let themselves out, closing the door behind. Vic immediately jumped up to see who it was, and no one was out there. I was relieved he saw it leave. As it left, the air felt instantly lighter.

Nothing else happened in that house, but we moved from there in May 95.

 

[Biscuit]

No idea. I assume that if they can alter pre-recordings of mine, they may be able to alter pre-recordings of others. Just a thought.

This will not rule out pareidolia, this will not confirm there are voices on the recordings, and this will not confirm the voices are spirits. Why are you doing it?

We want to help you test if this is an actual spirit/paranormal event, please help us help you.

So far all the evidence points to a mundane explanation but there is more that can be done.

I think it was a smart move to shut down the website. Now lets get to the bottom of this. Please ask the spirits what they can do to verify their existence to us mere mortals. Ask them how they are speaking to you. Explain what you mean when you talk about your fingers please.

 

[Stray Cat]

I still can't find it, so if you can when you get to a real computer, please let us know.

Ward

Wasn't the thread called 'I can see pictures of demons' and the member was called punshhh or something?

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong one.

ETA: Sorry I may have the wrong one; Fairies in my photograph this is what I found.

 

[AdMan]

@wardenclyffe: The old poster Quinn was referring too was, iirc, " icanseedemons " as opposed to " icanseepicturesofdemons ". I am on my cell phone else I would do the search for you and link it.

I still can't find it, so if you can when you get to a real computer, please let us know.

Ward

I searched, and it appears to be very old. Possibly not available anymore.

It was referred to in 2003 as "a few years ago":

I thought it had something to do with IcanTakePicturesOfDemons (a.k.a. Lyndale, or LightpiercingtheDark.) For those here who are new, a few years ago "Ican" had posted pictures taken in his basement that claimed to show 'demons'. Many people engaged him in debate, pointing out the 'demon' images were just the result of the mind's habit of trying to produce recognizable features out of random noise.

He was to make some "big announcement" around christmas time. About that time he deleted all of the threads he started (which annoyed a lot of people since many of the posters put a lot of thought into their responses). Later, he revealed that the pictures were actually taken from a Loch Ness web cam (set up for scientific research.)

ETA:

Apparently, here is that demon-seeing poster making another appearance:

Long time, no type. Been 484 days to be exact. Hope all are doing well.

To update those that aren't aware of who I am. I am going to start from the beginning. I am sure there are still those in here, that will attack my claim. So, I'd like to tell you my story first.

Here goes...

I believe I have discovered a "PROCESS", that allows any idividual with a ordinary computer cam, to see "FACES", that are normally unseen with any known device, that we know of today.

To Discuss this a little further and deeper...

Concerning the "PROCESS".
To be specific. It is the digital process/attributes that happen when a picture is taken with a digital cam and transferred to a computer monitor. If you take a ordianary computer cam. With the right lightning, monitor display settings and backround conditions, all with the right adjustments (determined I believe according to ones own good or poor eye sight)... you will see "FACES" in the shades of...(usually)...blue, green or brown.

Now most who argue with me, either say one of two things. I don't see anything or It is just some sort of distortion.
To you who don't see. I say, adjust your monitors brightness button, you'll see them. To the ones who say distortion.
I say...
"I would agree with you except for one thing".
"THE "RESULTS/FACES" REPEATS ITS SELF OVER AND OVER DURING A LIVE BROADCAST."
In other words when you use a cam on the net, normally your doing it 1 of 2 ways. Either by a timeing setting (meaning your cam is broadcasting a picture every so many seconds, according to what you set it).....or.....live, which varies because of dialup and cable...one is faster then the other.

So what I am saying here is......It is impossible for a process that repeats itself ***"EACH TIME"***with the ***"SAME RESULTS"***NOT TO BE REAL.

IF THE ********FINDING**********DIDN'T **REPEAPT** ITSELF, I WOULD AGREE....THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO IT. BUT THAT IS **N**O**T** THE CASE.

Concerning the FACES...
You know how artist's use the term Mediums, meaning the different materials being used?
Its kinda the same way with the faces....
I find there are 3 different mediums (so to speak).
1 in the creamy shades. usually easy to spot sooner.
2 in the more fully focused shades (shades meaning different tones of color)...usually easy to find.
3 in a pure white static against a perfectly clear back round...rarer to find.

...."but regradless which medium you find them in"...

ONE THING REMAINS A CONSTANT NO MATTER WHAT.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR MOUTH AND EYE SOCKETS AND WHEN THIS IS FOUND IN A REPEATED ENVIROMENT OF WATCHING THEM.....IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY...."THERES NOTHING THERE".

"Most of the time when you find them you will see more then just the eye sockets and mouth socket.......
Many of them have, head structure, facial features and even ....expressions.
THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! DONT YOU THINK I KNOW THAT!!!!!!

YET IT REPEATS ITSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH SAME RESULTS.

I Can't prove what the faces are ( I will keep my opinion to mysef).

But I can show that this is a repeating process anytime and anywhere.

I submitted to this million dollar challange 2x's now and ignored on each account.
Remember I am not trying to prove what they are.........
Just that they are.<<<<<<<<big difference.

I am back because I want this to goto court.
I don't believe this foundation will ever part with their money. It ends everything with them...they don't want that.

I want a court to settle this and I guess you could say...in a way...I am recruiting witnesses and making attempts to build a court case against the predjuideces of this foundation for not letting me have my chance of the challenge.

I'd rather have a jury then them anyway.

The money is mine randi....cough up.
I may never prove to anyone what those faces are.

but one dam thing is for sure......


THEY ARE.



Lyndale.



If you click on my profile and then my homepage...you'll find a better understanding of all that I just babbled about...

oh...I am telling you now...

I will only respond to the serious replies....I already know what you think of me...so save it.

flaccon, do your recognize any similarities in this post with your own experience?

 

[Cassidy]

I second the question: why is that?

One can't deal with it. 4 don't use computer's. I wouldn't like Kate involved in this thread. 2 are willing to join.

 

[Apology]

Did you hear anything when you listened to the white noise online? The white noise that's available at the site I posted is already a recording, so there shouldn't be a need to record anything again.

If that doesn't work for you, you can download and play samples of white, pink, brown, blue, violet, or gray noise at this site:

Download Noise Test Tones Here

All of these varieties of noise are used to test sound systems. At the bottom of each page, there's a box titled If you are interested... In that box there's a download link to a free 15 minute sample of each type of noise. They also sell CDs but I don't see any need for you to buy one---the free 15 minute samples ought to do nicely. I gave you the first link because I didn't want you to have to download anything unless it was necessary.