Merged No Planes At WTC (Split from: WTC Dust)

[ergo]

I'm not ignoring this evidence...

Actually, I read it when it first came out and discarded it as not fitting my rubric of low temperature. Since then, it has been shown to me and re=shown ad nauseum, so I'm quite familiar with what is said to be evidence of high heat and still discard it.

I'm confused about what you're saying here. You are not ignoring the evidence of extremely high temperatures inside the pile, but you discard it? Or you discard the thermite theory?

I'll take it to mean that you acknowledge the testimony and evidence of extremely high temperatures in the rubble and you don't have an explanation yourself for it but you don't believe it is explained by thermitic materials.

 

[dafydd]

I'm confused about what you're saying here. You are not ignoring the evidence of extremely high temperatures inside the pile, but you discard it? Or you discard the thermite theory?

I'll take it to mean that you acknowledge the testimony and evidence of extremely high temperatures in the rubble and you don't have an explanation yourself for it but you don't believe it is explained by thermitic materials.

She believes in a different truther fantasy, advanced dustification energy beam weapons. Why you people cannot accept that nineteen terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into buildings is a mystery to me.

 

[Justin39640]

I wonder what she meant by ''storage''?

To be fair to Tracy. If you've ever seen an average Manhattan apartment, you'd understand how most of your possessions could end up in a self storage locker lol.

 

[bob_kark]

What testing have you performed on the steel alloys used in the WTC support structure to determine the heat and force required to bend said steel? Can you quantify your results, testing methodology, and materials used for us?

I haven't done this, and I never plan to do this.

Okay, so can we agree that your claim regarding the addition of jet fuel to steel and resulting fire at atmospheric pressure has no real bearing on the collapse of the WTC?

Also, how were you able to confirm that this smell was iron, versus any other material?

Microscopic images of WTC dust samples.

So, if your proof is truly evidence of iron particulate in dust samples, why present your perceived smell of iron as proof instead?

What other materials have you compared this smell to?

Hydrocarbon fires, all types.

While I can see how this would help you rule out the possibility that this smell was the result of a flammable liquid burning, I don't see how this helps you to ascertain that the smell is indeed iron.

Did you save a sample for comparison, given that you claim that the air contained iron particulate?

Yes. I have a huge collection of WTC dust.

Have you done any testing on this sample?

Most of the samples remain untested, but several physical tests were conducted on samples of the samples.

Who has completed this testing for you? Can you quantify the testing methodology and results of this testing for us?

Thank you for your response.

You're welcome.

It appears I missed your post at first. Thank you again for your response.

 

[Craig4]

Aha! Even you say it was an unfamiliar smell. Chalk that one up to the tally.

I smell weird stuff all the time. That doesn't mean the government has a giant space ray gun. If you do indeed hold a PhD in a hard science someone, somewhere did you a great disservice in awarding it to you.

 

[Craig4]

For what purpose? It's in storage, anyway.

I should think the purpose is obvious. No one here believes you have the qualification you claim because you're not acting like someone who has been educated in the hard sciences. I believe at this point we should simply assume your qualification is simply a figment of your imagination.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Since you have already mentioned your name how about showing us your diploma.

For what purpose? It's in storage, anyway.

I wonder what she meant by ''storage''?

Gathering dust?

 

[dafydd]

I'm Bob Dylan, but I can't prove it, my birth certificate is in storage.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Approximately 0% of the WTC was on fire, if by "fire" you mean a traditional fire.

Then you never took the time, or effort, to understand the science of fire...and still haven't. Your research skills are clearly lacking in fundamental content.

 

[WTC Dust]

Storage?

Really? All my qualification records are in a folder, in a drawer. Easy to access if I need them, sometimes I have to use them to back up what I put on my resume.

Who the hell puts stuff like that in storage?

I've never needed my diploma for anything. My transcripts, yes. My diploma? Nope.

 

[WTC Dust]

To be fair, neither my degree nor my PhD are much use to me in my current work, and it would take me some time to lay my hands on them oh no wait here they are in a folder on the bookshelf,

Your diploma is the size of a book? Mine is much bigger than that.

 

[WTC Dust]

It's not the same place. While I don't doubt that you do have a PhD, the fact that you don't use the correct name of the school who awarded you the degree shows sloppiness with simple easily verifiable but pertinant facts. BTW: It would be UT-Graduate School Of Biomedical Sciences At Houston

No. The GSBS was essentially a recruiting team for the UT Houston Health Science Center. Only a few labs were located at the GSBS, among those, my advisors. Before they demolished the building, we had to move to UT Houston Medical School. At the new place, they have more labs, but I've not been there except once or twice, since I graduated while I was at UT Med before they finished the new building.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The smell at the WTC was unfamiliar.

INSIDE JOB!!!11!!!111!1

I wonder how many people have to be familiar with a smell before it doesn't indicate a conspiracy. Ten? Twenty? Is it a percentage, or does it have to be unanimous?

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm confused about what you're saying here. You are not ignoring the evidence of extremely high temperatures inside the pile, but you discard it? Or you discard the thermite theory?

I'll take it to mean that you acknowledge the testimony and evidence of extremely high temperatures in the rubble and you don't have an explanation yourself for it but you don't believe it is explained by thermitic materials.

It's amazing how this confusion goes away when you quit positing imaginary mechanisms.

 

[WTC Dust]

I'm confused about what you're saying here. You are not ignoring the evidence of extremely high temperatures inside the pile, but you discard it? Or you discard the thermite theory?

I'll take it to mean that you acknowledge the testimony and evidence of extremely high temperatures in the rubble and you don't have an explanation yourself for it but you don't believe it is explained by thermitic materials.

I knew it was low heat on Day 2 after the attacks, when I interviewed my close friends about it. We all lived in a loft building on Bleecker Street, and two of them had been caught up in the dust cloud. Neither of them were burned. You can see paper in the dust, which meant that it wasn't hot enough to burn the paper.

Day 3 after the attacks was rainy, but I made my way down to Ground Zero anyway, and took a look at the damage. You couldn't see much at all above a ten foot fence from street level. That day was quite rainy, and there were fire fighters from all over the place pouring water on the site.

A week later, it rained again, pretty heavy, and I thought to myself, "Well, at least the fire will go out now." But it didn't. The fumes kept coming. Weeks and weeks later, moving onto months where it was now quite cold, the fumes kept coming.

That isn't how heat works. Heat dissipates. Months of rain, fire fighting efforts, and cold weather did not abate the fumes.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Your diploma is the size of a book? Mine is much bigger than that.

How many pages?

 

[aggle-rithm]

A week later, it rained again, pretty heavy, and I thought to myself, "Well, at least the fire will go out now." But it didn't. The fumes kept coming. Weeks and weeks later, moving onto months where it was now quite cold, the fumes kept coming.

That isn't how heat works. Heat dissipates. Months of rain, fire fighting efforts, and cold weather did not abate the fumes.

And yet there are coal fires that have burned for decades, despite the rain.

 

[aggle-rithm]

No. The GSBS was essentially a recruiting team for the UT Houston Health Science Center. Only a few labs were located at the GSBS, among those, my advisors. Before they demolished the building, we had to move to UT Houston Medical School. At the new place, they have more labs, but I've not been there except once or twice, since I graduated while I was at UT Med before they finished the new building.

I got my degree from a university that was located out of state but operated a satellite campus in my area out of a military base.

Nevertheless, I never tell people I got my degree from the National Guard.

 

[BStrong]

I smelled it, lots of people did. We get it.

The planes did not create the stench, this is silly. They were the catalyst for the whole chain of events.

I agree the smell was unfamiliar but I had never experienced planes crashing into fully occupied buildings that burned and collapsed.

How many people do you know who had any experience of that prior to 9/11?

Not exactly the same type of event at the same scale, but I've been on the scene at pretty major fires otj, and have been at the scene of car bombing/IED detonations in 03-04, and those types of events create a smell cocktail that you don't forget.

I can't imagine the destruction at the WTC would be anyhing but more of everything for a longer period of time.

And no, it ain't hush-a-bomb residue. Or rayguns from space, or metal munching moon mice.

 

[aggle-rithm]

And no, it ain't hush-a-bomb residue. Or rayguns from space, or metal munching moon mice.

Are you sure? Because anything that smells THAT weird has GOT to be moon mice. What else could it be?