Cooking?

[Daylightstar]

Simply I was trying to know and I am bit doubtful about it and just want to clear it, is cabbage stuffed elephant a particular food?

 

[pakeha]

Damn, you guys are good!
But back to Kumar's post

We may also have to check Gluten related problems with cooking type?

Whether partially or fully cooked food discourage Gluten related probelems but denaturing/degrading the gluten?

Here's a good place to start learning about Coeliac disease:

"...Coeliac disease (pron.: /ˈsiːli.æk/; spelled celiac disease in North America[1] and often celiac sprue) is an autoimmune disorder of the small intestine that occurs in genetically predisposed people of all ages from middle infancy onward. Symptoms include: Pain and discomfort in the digestive tract, chronic constipation and diarrhoea, failure to thrive (in children), and fatigue, but these may be absent, and symptoms in other organ systems have been described. Vitamin deficiencies are often noted in people with Coeliacs disease due to the reduced ability of the small intestine to properly absorb nutrients from food.

Increasingly, diagnoses are being made in asymptomatic persons as a result of increased screening;[2] the condition is thought to affect between 1 in 1,750 and 1 in 105 people in the United States.[3] Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a prolamin (gluten protein) found in wheat, and similar proteins found in the crops of the tribe Triticeae (which includes other common grains such as barley and rye).[4]

Upon exposure to gliadin, and specifically to three peptides found in prolamins, the enzyme tissue transglutaminase modifies the protein, and the immune system cross-reacts with the small-bowel tissue, causing an inflammatory reaction. That leads to a truncating of the villi lining the small intestine (called villous atrophy). This interferes with the absorption of nutrients, because the intestinal villi are responsible for absorption. The only known effective treatment is a lifelong gluten-free diet.[4] While the disease is caused by a reaction to wheat proteins, it is not the same as wheat allergy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease

In other words, neither fried nor baked chapaties for the coeliacs!

 

[Kumar]

Damn, you guys are good!
But back to Kumar's post


Here's a good place to start learning about Coeliac disease:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease

In other words, neither fried nor baked chapaties for the coeliacs!

I want to know, can gluten be denatured? It is heat inactive but can stomack acidity denature it in normal person but not in person with some defficiency in gastric acid secretion? In other words, can gluten be denatured and digestable in weak acid soulution?

If it can't be denaured & digested by gastric acid, how it cause coeliac disease in few whereas not in others?

 

[Daylightstar]

I want to know, can gluten be denatured? It is heat inactive but can stomack acidity denature it in normal person but not in person with some defficiency in gastric acid secretion? In other words, can gluten be denatured and digestable in weak acid soulution?

If it can't be denaured & digested by gastric acid, how it cause coeliac disease in few whereas not in others?

Okay, so, on the first page you state your opinion that:

... I think these can't be justified as fully cooked and therefore need more acid in stomach to be fully justified.

Best wishes.

And 7 pages later, without you showing any sign of processing any of the information give to you, you ask:

... In other words, can gluten be denatured and digestable in weak acid soulution? ...

Why do you even ask? How is it meaningful to supply you with an answer?

 

[pakeha]

I want to know, can gluten be denatured? It is heat inactive but can stomack acidity denature it in normal person but not in person with some defficiency in gastric acid secretion? In other words, can gluten be denatured and digestable in weak acid soulution?

If it can't be denaured & digested by gastric acid, how it cause coeliac disease in few whereas not in others?

Hi, Kumar.
Did you read the link I posted?
Celiacs have a genetic condition which affects how the small intestine processes gluten.
It's NOT the same as wheat allergy.

Gluten doesn't CAUSE the coeliac condition, but rather triggers the symptoms.

 

[laca]

I want to know<snip>

No, it's painfully obvious to anyone but yourself that you most definitely do not want to know anything. You're too comfortable in your delusions. Ignorance truly is a bliss. With willful on top.

 

[Kumar]

Hi, Kumar.
Did you read the link I posted?
Celiacs have a genetic condition which affects how the small intestine processes gluten.
It's NOT the same as wheat allergy.

Gluten doesn't CAUSE the coeliac condition, but rather triggers the symptoms.

I read it previously & also read many other links. I also enquired on e.mail. But it is not clear how gluten is procedded & digested in GUT? What can cause its digestion or denaturing?

 

[Mojo]

But it is not clear how gluten is procedded & digested in GUT? What can cause its digestion or denaturing?

You don't need capitals for "gut" unless you are talking about the genitourinary tract.

In the gut, gluten, like all other proteins, is digested by enzymes in the stomach, duodenum, and small intestine. Pepsin in the stomach. Trypsin, chymotrypsin and other proteases (produced by the pancreas - NB: this is nothing to do with the role of the pancreas in sugar metabolism and diabetes) in the duodenum, and brush border enzymes in the small intestine It is denatured by the low pH in the stomach.

I think the symptoms of coeliac disease are triggered by digested gliadin, not undigested or undenatured gliadin.

 

[dafydd]

I What can cause its digestion or denaturing?

I learned that in biology lessons in school.

 

[Kumar]

You don't need capitals for "gut" unless you are talking about the genitourinary tract.

In the gut, gluten, like all other proteins, is digested by enzymes in the stomach, duodenum, and small intestine. Pepsin in the stomach. Trypsin, chymotrypsin and other proteases (produced by the pancreas - NB: this is nothing to do with the role of the pancreas in sugar metabolism and diabetes) in the duodenum, and brush border enzymes in the small intestine It is denatured by the low pH in the stomach.

I think the symptoms of coeliac disease are triggered by digested gliadin, not undigested or undenatured gliadin.

Thanks.

Will you pls tell more about bolded letters above?

 

[Mojo]

Thanks.

Will you pls tell more about bolded letters above?

I missed a full stop from my post - that should be two separate sentences, one about digestion and the other about denaturing.

The brush border enzymes are enzymes attached to the microvilli on the inside of the small intestine. They carry out the final stage of digestion before the resulting amino acids and dipeptides are transported across the cell membranes and out of the gut.

Proteins have a specific shape that the peptide chain is folded into. The way they fold is affected by the pH. They will have their usual, functional, shape at the normal pH of the body. At the low pH of the contents of the stomach they will fold into a different shape.

Proteins can also be denatured, for example, by heat, as you can observe by frying an egg.

If you want to find out more about this sort of stuff, you should try reading a book.

 

[Kumar]

The brush border enzymes are enzymes attached to the microvilli on the inside of the small intestine. They carry out the final stage of digestion before the resulting amino acids and dipeptides are transported across the cell membranes and out of the gut.

Proteins have a specific shape that the peptide chain is folded into. The way they fold is affected by the pH. They will have their usual, functional, shape at the normal pH of the body. At the low pH of the contents of the stomach they will fold into a different shape.

Thanks again.

How above is valid for gluten?

 

[Mojo]

Thanks again.

How above is valid for gluten?

Because gluten is protein.

 

[Kumar]

Because gluten is protein.

I was told that heat/frying do not denature the gluten. What about stomach pH?

 

[pakeha]

I missed a full stop from my post - that should be two separate sentences, one about digestion and the other about denaturing.

The brush border enzymes are enzymes attached to the microvilli on the inside of the small intestine. They carry out the final stage of digestion before the resulting amino acids and dipeptides are transported across the cell membranes and out of the gut.

Proteins have a specific shape that the peptide chain is folded into. The way they fold is affected by the pH. They will have their usual, functional, shape at the normal pH of the body. At the low pH of the contents of the stomach they will fold into a different shape.

Proteins can also be denatured, for example, by heat, as you can observe by frying an egg.

If you want to find out more about this sort of stuff, you should try reading a book.

I was told that heat/frying do not denature the gluten. What about stomach pH?

Try paying more attention to the answers people post up.
"Proteins can also be denatured, for example, by heat, as you can observe by frying an egg."

 

[zooterkin]

I was told that heat/frying do not denature the gluten. What about stomach pH?

Since you've already been told that it is in the small intestine that gluten is processed, it follows that gluten is not materially affected by stomach acid. Are you perhaps under the misapprehension that stomach acid is responsible for all digestive processes?

ETA: Gastric acid is important in the processing of proteins, as it causes them to unfold and prepare them to be broken up by digestive enzymes. It does not itself denature the proteins.

 

[Kumar]

Try paying more attention to the answers people post up.
"Proteins can also be denatured, for example, by heat, as you can observe by frying an egg."

Is it also valid for gluten?

 

[Kumar]

Since you've already been told that it is in the small intestine that gluten is processed, it follows that gluten is not materially affected by stomach acid. Are you perhaps under the misapprehension that stomach acid is responsible for all digestive processes?

ETA: Gastric acid is important in the processing of proteins, as it causes them to unfold and prepare them to be broken up by digestive enzymes. It does not itself denature the proteins.

Simply, how gastric acid affect gluten?

 

[pakeha]

Is it also valid for gluten?

Kumar, please pay attention to what people post up here.

Try paying more attention to the answers people post up.
"Proteins can also be denatured, for example, by heat, as you can observe by frying an egg."

Because gluten is protein.

Remember, Kumar?
Gluten is protein?
Digested in the small intestine?
Coeliacs can't do that, due to genetic variations within the human race?

 

[pakeha]

Simply, how gastric acid affect gluten?

Since you've already been told that it is in the small intestine that gluten is processed, it follows that gluten is not materially affected by stomach acid. Are you perhaps under the misapprehension that stomach acid is responsible for all digestive processes?

ETA: Gastric acid is important in the processing of proteins, as it causes them to unfold and prepare them to be broken up by digestive enzymes. It does not itself denature the proteins.

What didn't you understand, Kumar?