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Merged Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion Part II

So the most interesting case to me is the one Klayman is bringing in front of his best friend for life Roy Moore, since Alabama voters decided to bring crazy back.

If any judge is going to do the crazy thing, it's probably him. Will the Alabama Supreme Court follow suit?
 
Matthew Cline said:
Heh, I remember one Birther saying that any statue which says you're a citizen by birth merely naturalizes you at the moment you're born, meaning that you only count as a natural born citizen if your citizenship is covered by common law (or something like that).
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Markham Robinson, of the Constitution Party, tried something like that with John McCain, and was laughed out of court. (McCain is a citizen-at-birth by statute law, born in the Canal Zone to U.S. parents.) The only way I can see a court ever ruling on this notion would be if a state elections chief was willing to commit political suicide and refuse to place on the ballot a POTUS candidate who's a citizen-at-birth by statute law. A lawsuit would result.

Ted Cruz of Texas, who's being touted as perhaps a VP candidate in 2016, is a U.S. citizen-at-birth by statute law, born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father, so there is a remote, extremely remote, chance that something like this could happen in 2016.
 
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And the Supreme Court tells Orly to take a hike yet again:

12A606 NOONAN, EDWARD, ET AL. V. BOWEN, CA SEC. OF STATE

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The applications for stay addressed to The Chief Justice and
referred to the Court are denied.
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Same with Sibley, too:

SIBLEY, MONTGOMERY B. V. OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF U.S., ET AL.

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The petitions for writs of certiorari are denied.
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I'm waiting for it to sink in on Orly's site. She seems to be in a state of denial of the truth herself.

It won't be long though before she'll be crying treason by the Justices.
 
Arus808 said:
Jedi Pauly files another legal master!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/125366103/Guthrie-v-Reality-District-Court-First-Complaint-2013-02-11

And woot! He gets another woman judge presiding over this nonsense! 113 pages of misogynistic nonsense!
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The rather, umm, interesting content of this filing speaks for itself, but what's with all the apparently random underlining of certain words and phrases? Many of them look liked they were underlined with a pen, he couldn't be bothered to fire up his word processor and do it right? LoL
 
Arus808 said:
Jedi Pauly files another legal master!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/125366103/Guthrie-v-Reality-District-Court-First-Complaint-2013-02-11

And woot! He gets another woman judge presiding over this nonsense! 113 pages of misogynistic nonsense!
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Summary of link:

Males never have to submitthemselves to an authority other than themselves in order to create naturalmembers of their own political societies. Only the male possesses the natural rightto pass on natural membership and natural political rights to the offspring by hisown authority. This is a universal natural law


(typos are artifacts of the C&P)
 
You forgot to add some bull with a random combination of law, fact, logical, natural or deduction in parentheses at the end. That's really important. That and the random underlining. And the misogyny. And the complete break with reality.
 
What is his point in all that? Is it that Obama needed his dad to pass on his political rights? That Obama can't have political rights because his own father did not?

I mean it is certainly crazy sounding but I wonder what the point was.
 
Travis said:
What is his point in all that? Is it that Obama needed his dad to pass on his political rights? That Obama can't have political rights because his own father did not?
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I think that it's a variation on the idea that both parents need to be citizens of country X for their child to be a natural born citizen of country X, with the variation being that this guy thinks that it only matters if the father is a citizen.
 
SezMe said:
What's with this: Barrack Hussein Obama II?

He can't spell the President's name? And where did the "II" come from?
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The "II" has been there for a while. The President's father was also Barack Hussein Obama, so it's used to distinguish between them.
 
Matthew Cline said:
I think that it's a variation on the idea that both parents need to be citizens of country X for their child to be a natural born citizen of country X, with the variation being that this guy thinks that it only matters if the father is a citizen.
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That's pretty much it. The theory being advanced by Jedi Pauly is that the fathers citizenship is controlling, regardless of where the child is born. US mother with non-US citizen father? The child takes on the citizenship of the father.

Which is why he's been railing against having the case assigned to female judges.
 
Redwood said:
Congress has, by statute law, extended citizenship at birth to persons born overseas of citizen parents. This is how John McCain became a citizen. There has never been a Supreme Court decision as to whether this makes one a "natural born citizen" for purposes of presidential eligibility, and I daresay there never will be one. Instead, this has been decided by practice.
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McCain was born on a USN base in the Canal Zone thus was not born "overseas" as in non US territory.

Under the law in effect in 1961 if a baby was born outside the US to one US parent, that parent had to have resided in the US for 20 or 21 years at the time of birth for the baby to be a "natural born citizen". That clause seems to have been aimed at naturalized citizen parents but as written applied to Obama's mother who only 18.

All this irrelevant since the evidence Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming and was attested to by officials serving under a Republican governor.
 
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Males never have to submitthemselves to an authority other than themselves in order to create naturalmembers of their own political societies. Only the male possesses the natural rightto pass on natural membership and natural political rights to the offspring by hisown authority. This is a universal natural law
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Wait, is he also saying that only men are natural born citizens, and thus women are all naturalized citizens, thus meaning that women are ineligible to be president?
 
Matthew Cline said:
Wait, is he also saying that only men are natural born citizens, and thus women are all naturalized citizens, thus meaning that women are ineligible to be president?
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Yes, he is. He doesn't even think women are eligible to be judges (and possibly, not even to vote, though I may be confusing him with the birther crackpot in Alaska who was making basically the same argument in his lawsuits).

That's why he kept demanding that his case get reassigned to a male judge.
 
Yes.

And that if we defy his interpretation, and allow female citizens without benefit of the magical US citizen sperm to make natural born US citizens the we have conveyed on those females the role of noble title granters.
 
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