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Merged Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion Part II

Border Reiver said:
And that if we defy his interpretation, and allow female citizens without benefit of the magical US citizen sperm to make natural born US citizens the we have conveyed on those females the role of noble title granters.
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Wait, is he saying that female judges have been granted titles of nobility, or that female judges have been given the right to hand out titles of nobility to other people?
 
Males never have to submitthemselves to an authority other than themselves in order to create naturalmembers of their own political societies. Only the male possesses the natural rightto pass on natural membership and natural political rights to the offspring by hisown authority. This is a universal natural law​
Does he know what a universal natural law is?
 
ANTPogo said:
Yes, he is. He doesn't even think women are eligible to be judges (and possibly, not even to vote, though I may be confusing him with the birther crackpot in Alaska who was making basically the same argument in his lawsuits).
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The Alska guy is Gordon Warren Epperly. The Huffington Post has an article on him; he claimed that only white people are eligible to be President.
 
Matthew Cline said:
Wait, is he saying that female judges have been granted titles of nobility, or that female judges have been given the right to hand out titles of nobility to other people?
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No, if a female is able to make someone a citizen without an appropriate male, then said citizenship is akin to a title of nobility.
 
As stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a "natural born citizen" of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the "mulatto" race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of "Negro" or "mulatto" had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.
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Well I can see a few things wrong with his line of thinking.
 
Travis said:
Males never have to submitthemselves to an authority other than themselves in order to create naturalmembers of their own political societies. Only the male possesses the natural rightto pass on natural membership and natural political rights to the offspring by hisown authority. This is a universal natural law​
Does he know what a universal natural law is?
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Whatever he wants to be a universal natural law? See also the FOTL usage of "common law".
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...rist-pay-177g-article-1.1306268#ixzz2PWtC7Bya

"Christopher Earl Strunk sought to have President Obama disqualified as a candidate. The author of some 20 other lawsuits — most of which have been dismissed — Strunk was ordered to pay $167,707 in attorney fees plus a $10,000 sanction for the 2011 lawsuit that named Obama, New York’s Board of Elections and a list of others as defendants."

"“If the complaint in this action was a movie script, it would be entitled ‘The Manchurian Candidate Meets The Da Vinci Code,’ ” wrote Judge Arthur Schack, calling the allegations, “fanciful, delusional and irrational.”

"“I’m going to have this thing overturned and I’m not going to pay a dime,” vowed Strunk."


Good luck with that.
 
Travis said:
Males never have to submitthemselves to an authority other than themselves in order to create naturalmembers of their own political societies. Only the male possesses the natural rightto pass on natural membership and natural political rights to the offspring by hisown authority. This is a universal natural law​
Does he know what a universal natural law is?
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Natural law is a birther buzzword. According to many Birther scholars, the framers exclusively used Emerich de Vattel's treatise The Law of Nations Or The Principles Of Natural Law Applied To The Conduct of Nations in drafting the Constitution. They further claim that no parts of American Common Law come from English Common Law, despite the fact that Blackstone's Commentaries were the leading text for American law students and apprentice lawyers until at least the Civil War. Instead, it comes from a book that wasn't even translated into English at the time the Constitution was ratified.
 
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I was hoping this thread would go away and die a quiet death, but oh well...

The new lawsuit is the umpteenth suit filed by Keith Judd. He's clearly aiming to be declared vex lit in all 50 states before his jail term is up.
 
Honestly, my favorite part of the article was discovering Judd was in jail for stalking a woman because he believed she was Stevie Nicks clone.
 
leisureclass said:
Natural law is a birther buzzword. According to many Birther scholars, the framers exclusively used Emerich de Vattel's treatise The Law of Nations Or The Principles Of Natural Law Applied To The Conduct of Nations in drafting the Constitution. They further claim that no parts of American Common Law come from English Common Law, despite the fact that Blackstone's Commentaries were the leading text for American law students and apprentice lawyers until at least the Civil War. Instead, it comes from a book that wasn't even translated into English at the time the Constitution was ratified.
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I agree with you entirely but one note. Most learned men in America at that time would have been fluent in French.
 
Hans said:
I agree with you entirely but one note. Most learned men in America at that time would have been fluent in French.
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John Adams wasn't, and he was an envoy to France. His incapacity at the language caused no end of difficulty for him. But in general, yes, the fact that the book was in French only at the time doesn't preclude knowledge of it among the Founding Fathers.
 
JayUtah said:
John Adams wasn't, and he was an envoy to France. His incapacity at the language caused no end of difficulty for him. But in general, yes, the fact that the book was in French only at the time doesn't preclude knowledge of it among the Founding Fathers.
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Completely off topic, but I'm guessing that John Adams didn't have nearly as much fun in France as Ben Franklin did.
 
KDLarsen said:
The new lawsuit is the umpteenth suit filed by Keith Judd. He's clearly aiming to be declared vex lit in all 50 states before his jail term is up.
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Well, I read the complaint and I want that 10 minutes of my life back. It's the same old long-debunked Birther nonsense. There is so much legal and factual fail in that complaint I wonder how long it will last. His tortured explanation of why Obama's citizenship must be determined by Kenya law and not United States law is particularly comical, especially given the age of the (superseded) U.S. court cases he cites in his favor.

He has filed this action pro se, but he refers to the Birther Queen's action in other states and confirms that she represents him in those actions. This is salient because his legal theory in this action requires the infamous COLB in long form to be genuine, whereas Taitz argues typically that it has been forged. No matter; his legal line of reasoning devolves quickly into rant and innuendo, peppered with the same alternate-identity nonsense that every other court has already dismissed who has heard it. It fails as a matter of law because his definition of "natural born" is not what the United States uses. And he argues that because, under Kenyan law, Obama could be considered a citizen of Kenya, he cannot also be a natural born U.S. citizen. While this was once contemplated by the U.S., it's not how it works today.

He seeks declaratory judgment that he (Judd) is a natural born U.S. citizen and that Barack Obama is not. Nothing about such a judgment would force the DNC to accept Judd as its candidate, nor remove Obama as the sitting President. Hence it may end up being all moot. But obviously if Judd accepts the COLB as valid, then Obama is a natural born citizen ipso facto. That concession would, in my mind, make a summary MTD ripe.
 
CORed said:
Completely off topic, but I'm guessing that John Adams didn't have nearly as much fun in France as Ben Franklin did.
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Not at all, and the division between Franklin and Adams eventually led to Congress recalling Adams as an envoy. Adams considered Franklin a playboy uninterested in advancing the colonies' cause, and Franklin considered Adams a bullish brute unschooled in diplomacy. Both may have aspects of truth, but the French found more favor with Franklin than with Adams, thus Franklin's approach seems more effective in the diplomatic sense.

Make no mistake, Adams was a very intelligent, highly educated man. In fact when he finally met King George after the Treaty of Paris, he found the king to be less the brutish tyrant he had imagined, and instead found him pleasantly to be more a man of letters that he could admire. In return, George granted Adams access to his personal library while Adams served in London. It is one of the great ironies of the American Revolution that two bitter rivals could find such common ground.

But as a matter of fact, Adams' skill at the French language was poor, and thus as a Founding Father and one of the great architects of American law he would not have been expected to have read a book written in French and gotten much out of it.
 
CORed said:
Did I read correctly that this wacko got 41% of the vote in the 2012 West Virginia Democratic primary? I thought all the stuff about West Virginians marrying their cousins was an exaggeration, but I may have to re-evaluate that opinion.
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Yes, those are the certified reported results for the 2012 election. Judd received 42.28% to Obama's 57.72%. On that basis Judd argues that he should have received West Virginia's delegates to the Democratic National Convention. Not that it would have secured him the nomination, of course, hence it remains a tempest in a teapot even in the best case. He names the WV secretary of state in the suit arguing that he should not have certified the primary vote as it stands.

Whether West Virginia is inbred is likely irrelevant. It's more likely West Virginia is simply sufficiently racist for Democrats in that state to prefer a Caucasian prison inmate over an African American incumbent.
 
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